With all these joint ventures it seems the Russian MIC is training the Indian MIC.
An example is the MRCA competition. 126 planes, but only 16 built by the winning aircraft maker. The other 110 made in India.
India currently has better Russian stuff than the Russian Armed forces have in several areas.
I don't think the Russian AF even had the R-77 in service till recently because they haven't had enough aircraft in service that could actually use it.
The problem has been that the Russian armed forces haven't been spending money on new stuff so the people making new stuff for them have not been earning enough money to keep up to date. Whether it is foreign or local, as long as it is made in Russia should inject money into the Russian MIC... the current T-90s and BMP-3s might be getting French thermal imagers and the BMP-3 might be getting an upgrade paid in part by South Korea but the people making those upgraded thermal sights and upgraded BMP-3s will be Russians. Those workers will be Russians. The money they make will be put to new designs that are Russian. The first might be variations on the existing foreign equipment, or they might be totally new designs that have no western equivelent (ie T-95).
BTW I read this from another site:
Popovkin also indicated leading military producers are actively developing a new class of wheeled armored vehicles. He said in the Russian Army’s modernization there are plans to establish light, medium, and heavy brigades. Light brigades will have wheeled, medium wheeled and tracked, and heavy only tracked vehicles.
This suggests to me that in the heavy brigades their might be T-95s, medium brigades the T-90 Burlak, and light brigades a Sprut modified into a wheeled version.
They might have French comms and thermals but they will be more effective because of that.
That is exactly what is happening. The old thermals and radios will cease production on T-90, BTR-82 and BMP-3, soon to be French.
And the result will be a jump in the performance of all three vehicles. There is no reason why the Russian MIC with its new tooling to make state of the art French machinery cannot then develop improvements, both evolutionary and revolutionary... when the British sold the Soviet Union the Nene and Derwent jet engines they were a huge step up, but within a few years they improved them further and then produced new models of their own that were much better than what they would have had if they had refused the sale. And that was without a licence to produce so they had to reverse engineer the engines themselves.
Landing ships will be French.
The four being sought will probably be the only landing ships Russia ever needs till they need replacement and by then the Russian ship building industry will have ideas and plans of its own.
They are so deep into the system you do not realise.
They are in there, but they have no control and are working with the Russian MIC rather than competing against it. Like Russian input in India... it is a good thing for both parties.
For the price of one Catherine FC, you can equip over 2 VDV companies with those old 2nd gen scopes.
Yup. The cost of state of the art is high. The point is that if you want to reduce the size of the forces you need to increase its firepower and effectiveness.
Having half the number of tanks only makes sense when they can defeat a much larger force because they are better.
Did you realise Mi-28N uses French thermals, or that we license produce Damocles targeting pods with French thermals?
I have heard of a lot of aircraft pods with different purposes... Sapsan, Solluks, Platan. Did you know that a solution to the wet film recon problem wasn't solved in the Royal Air Force till they got Lantirn III pods that allow recon and digital transmission of data directly back to base... if the Damocles can do that or can be modified to do that then it is well worth looking into. Adding such a pod makes an otherwise modest aircraft much more capable.
Fitting a Damocles pod to a medium flying Tu-22M3 with 24 tons of laser and sat guided bombs would be very useful support over Chechnia or Afghanistan with only minor changes to the aircraft needed.
Adding such a pod makes an Su-25SM into almost an Su-25TM and you only need a few pods per unit that can be shared around... much cheaper and to update it you just develop a new pod... the aircraft can remain relatively simple and cheap.
That is the only example and it is not even seeing fruition.
What do you mean? They developed a scope and gave it to the VDV for testing. The VDV tested it and gave feedback... so one would expect a modification and further testing till the VDV is happy... then the VDV get a new scope that meets their needs.
It must be talking about sniper scopes, they are the only ones that come with ballistic computers.
It was my interpretation of what the commander said... he said:
Shamanov said troop testing of the ‘Shakhin’ thermal sight for infantry weapons is complete. He said:
“There has to be one approach for weapons—they have to be all-weather. Not long ago the thermal sight ‘Shakhin’ went through troop testing. After the testing we returned it to the designers for reworking. We’ve given the task that our weapons work according to the aviation principle—turn your head and firing systems turn after it.”
NOw unless he wants the gunsight to autotarget what I think he mean is for the sight to determine where to shoot... like the CCIP (computer calculated impact point) for bombers that shows the pilot where the bombs will hit if he drops the bombs now. The laser range finder and ballistic computers... which are already available on scopes now are not new, there are several Russian Scope makers that could do it. On a thermal scope the extra cost of laser range finder and computer will not be big... ie a $20,000 thermal imager of which $3,000 was for the LRF and BC etc.
There is no point putting a high quality scope for a 7.62 x39mm bullet. It is the most inaccurate bullet still in wide circulation today. It is a spray and pray round, excellent for close combat penetration, but not a skill weapon.
There is no such thing as an inherently inaccurate round. The most accurate cartridge for bench rest shooting in the world today over 300m is based on the 7.62 x 39mm round and is called the 6mm PPC. With quality ammo and a quality rifle and most importantly a scope that will calculate range accurately you could double or even triple the effective range of most small arms ammo in my opinion.
So now we have to rely on Ukraine for our airlift and commercial requirements sending money and jobs out of the country to a nation we hated less than a year ago.
First of all it seemed they hated you more than you hated them.
Second the An-124s and An-70s for the Russian AF will be made in Russian plants by Russian workers.
It may be possible to make an IVECO like vehicle, but we still have a deficit in engine technology.
From what I have read the Russian vehicles proved to be as good or better than the foreign vehicles tested. There is talk of importing German armour for light vehicles, but then the Italians import German armour for their vehicles.
“Issue of acquiring light armor and technology for its fabrication still isn’t decided. Domestic scientific-research institutes still haven’t answered us about whether they’re ready and capable of making such armor. If they make it, then we’ll use it, if they don’t, we’ll search for ways of getting Western technology for its subsequent production in Russia.”
It is not just An-124 and An-70s we have to buy a license for, but An-148 and An-140. And yes, the An-148 is being drafted to compete with the MTA.
The MTA is a joint venture with India isn't it? It is also on the drawing board AFAIK, so clearly what they want is a good look at the An-148 and the An-140 so I would expect such a look will lead to changes to the MTA design so you end up with a plane better than An-148 or 140.
It is just embarrassing that we are going to be a client state and dependent on France and not able to out-compete Ukrainian designs.
At the moment there is no Russian plane better than the An-124 and it would be really dumb to try to make one while the An-124 meets requirements. A total waste of money for the sake of wounded pride.
The plane they are going to be building is like the Il-76 in that it will be an improved aircraft modified to greatly improve performance and reduce operating costs.
The Russian MIC has been starved and needs to recover... just because it is using outside help to recover faster does not mean it will suddenly become dependant invalid. All it means is that the recovery period is speeded up.
If the assistance from outside is very good then their might be an ongoing relationship formed to continue after the MIC has recovered but this in no way will mean the Russian MIC will move to France or the Ukraine or Germany.
And for the guys on the front line it means new stuff faster.