Avangard hypersonic glide vehicle:

Austin wrote:Izvestia confirms the successful flight test of Pr 4202

http://izvestia.ru/news/641262

jhelb wrote:

Austin wrote:Izvestia confirms the successful flight test of Pr 4202

http://izvestia.ru/news/641262

As per Izvestia, the control systems that control the flight of Project 4202 are designed by some Ukranian company. This is crazy. Why is the Kremlin allowing this to happen?

The Ukrainians must have shared this tech with NATO already.

jhelb wrote:

Austin wrote:Izvestia confirms the successful flight test of Pr 4202

http://izvestia.ru/news/641262

As per Izvestia, the control systems that control the flight of Project 4202 are designed by some Ukranian company. This is crazy. Why is the Kremlin allowing this to happen?

The Ukrainians must have shared this tech with NATO already.

Yandex Trans wrote:October 25, hypersonic aircraft, known under the designation "product 4202" (also 15Ю71), was successfully tested during the firing of the launchers area of dombarovskiy in Orenburg region on the Kamchatka Kura test site. This is the first fully successful test of the weapon, capable to develop at the maximum height the speed is about 15 Max, or 7 km/h. It manufacturer 15Ю71 — Reutov Scientific production Association of machine building (NPO Mashinostroenie) had to implement an extensive program of import substitution.

Hypersonic aircraft (GZLA) 4202 is designed for installation instead of the traditional perspective of warheads on Intercontinental ballistic missiles. The product starts working at a height of about 100 km and flies to the target at speeds of 5-7 km/s. Before entering the dense layers of the atmosphere directly above the target GSLA makes a complex maneuver, making it difficult to intercept by missile defenses.

Messages about the successful start of the product 4202 starting from the Dombarovsky area at the Kura test site in Kamchatka appeared on 25 October: witnesses published on the Internet photographs of the sky in a characteristic trail from a rocket.

In NPO mash declined to comment.

The project hypersonic warheads under the name "Albatross" appeared in the USSR in the mid 1980-ies. It was a response to the attempt of the United States to create missile defence in the framework of the concept of "Star wars". However, after a few years because of technical difficulties the project was canceled. But in the mid 1990-ies NPO mash has resumed the project, but under the designation 4202.

As told "Izvestia" an informed source in the state Corporation "Roscosmos", conducting a successful flight test "of the product 4202" was preceded by a large-scale program of import substitution: the task was to get rid of the control system, previously manufactured by the Kharkiv enterprise "Hartron", and some other components. The program was successfully implemented, which allowed to resume testing.

— Avionics, electronic systems, and the control system is now made up entirely of Russian components, — said a source in Roscosmos. — The product is no more foreign components. A report on this in the near future will be transferred to the Ministry of industry and trade and the government.

As explained by the interlocutor of "Izvestia", the problem of complete import substitution of toppings GSLA was put NPO mash in 2014, the completion date is appointed before the end of 2016.

In early October, NPO Mashinostroyenia sent to all the companies involved in cooperation on the project 4202, official letter with the requirement to promptly report on the work done in the framework of the program of import substitution. The receipt of the document "news" confirmed at several companies.

— 4202 was originally not so much foreign parts, however, the key element of the product — management system controlling HSLA, performing hypersonic maneuver and targeting, manufactured by the Ukrainian enterprise, — told "Izvestia" chief editor of the Internet project Militaryrussia Dmitry Kornev. — According to reports, NPO mash in 2014 began development of a new management system. In all probability, it began testing last year, but both start 4202 in 2015 were unsuccessful. But on October 25 this year, the launch was a success, which testifies to successful work of the NPO mash for import substitution.

The development of control systems for GSL holding company "Hartron" (one of the leading Soviet enterprises — developers of control systems for rockets and spacecraft) began in the mid 1990-ies. Several times mention the successful testing of the system in the Russian GSLA even appeared on the official website of the company. But after the events in the Crimea in the summer of 2014 by decision of the President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko on cooperation with Russia on military programs has been frozen. In particular, one of the first was curtailed collaboration "Hartron" and NPO mash.

zg18 wrote:
I don`t know how much of Russian you understand, but text clearly states replacement was developed. Ukrainian input fully eliminated.

jhelb wrote:

zg18 wrote:
I don`t know how much of Russian you understand, but text clearly states replacement was developed. Ukrainian input fully eliminated.

I've near native fluency in Russian coz I'm from Belarus. My point was why get Ukraine involved in designing such a sensitive technology in the first place? I realise that Ukrainian inputs have now been replaced but the specs like flight profile etc may have already been shared with NATO.

jhelb wrote:I realise that Ukrainian inputs have now been replaced but the specs like flight profile etc may have already been shared with NATO.

My point was why get Ukraine involved in designing such a sensitive technology in the first place? I realise that Ukrainian inputs have now been replaced but the specs like flight profile etc may have already been shared with NATO.

Well if Clinton becomes president these R-36 deployments will move into full gear by middle of next year.Otherwise if any other
person wins U.S elction then I think these majestic (utterly majestic/awesome russian hypersonic tech) will not be deployed
and will agin be put into cold storage waiting for sarmat missiles to be put into assembly, production , testing deployment et etc..

Technical characteristics of the [new hypersonic weapon] are classified, but I can assume that there are up to 20 independently targetable warheads. Each of them has its own flight program. They fly like cruise missiles but at hypersonic speeds," he detailed. "People in Siberia mistook them for meteorites wrote:

Viktor wrote:More and morke information arrises in latter times about the ability of Russian engineers/scientiest to put many more hypersonic independently  targetable warheads on a single missile  

'Object 4202': New Russian Hypersonic Warhead to Be Coupled With Sarmat ICBM


Defense analyst Victor Litovkin:

Technical characteristics of the [new hypersonic weapon] are classified, but I can assume that there are up to 20 independently targetable warheads. Each of them has its own flight program. They fly like cruise missiles but at hypersonic speeds," he detailed. "People in Siberia mistook them for meteorites wrote:

Austin wrote:

Viktor wrote:More and morke information arrises in latter times about the ability of Russian engineers/scientiest to put many more hypersonic independently  targetable warheads on a single missile  

'Object 4202': New Russian Hypersonic Warhead to Be Coupled With Sarmat ICBM


Defense analyst Victor Litovkin:

Technical characteristics of the [new hypersonic weapon] are classified, but I can assume that there are up to 20 independently targetable warheads. Each of them has its own flight program. They fly like cruise missiles but at hypersonic speeds," he detailed. "People in Siberia mistook them for meteorites wrote:

Don't think project 4202 has to do with sarmat but is part of new system based on SS-19 vehicle.

Part of Russian guaranteed destruction of heavily defended target any where in world and in conventional role Russian equivalent  of prompt global strike

kvs wrote:

Austin wrote:

Viktor wrote:More and morke information arrises in latter times about the ability of Russian engineers/scientiest to put many more hypersonic independently  targetable warheads on a single missile  

'Object 4202': New Russian Hypersonic Warhead to Be Coupled With Sarmat ICBM


Defense analyst Victor Litovkin:

Technical characteristics of the [new hypersonic weapon] are classified, but I can assume that there are up to 20 independently targetable warheads. Each of them has its own flight program. They fly like cruise missiles but at hypersonic speeds," he detailed. "People in Siberia mistook them for meteorites wrote:

Don't think project 4202 has to do with sarmat but is part of new system based on SS-19 vehicle.

Part of Russian guaranteed destruction of heavily defended target any where in world and in conventional role Russian equivalent  of prompt global strike

Sounds like nonsense to me.   Russia does not need this joke US imperial program.   It doesn't have 3rd world targets to bomb to impose its "imperial will".
Passive gliders are constrained to be in close proximity to the nominal ballistic trajectory of the ICBM.   This is due to energy conservation.   Giving these
gliders the ability to fly horizontally for a sufficient period of time would disperse them in a way that no ABM system could handle.    Current ABM systems
target the ICBM and bank on the close proximity of the warheads to save time and fuel to reach them.   Propelled glider warheads would render this scheme
totally useless.   Targeting each warhead individually is a vastly more challenging task.    These warheads can be made to reach speeds that no ABM rocket
could match by increasing the speed of the ICBM and making the propelled gliders have the ability to boost themselves to Mach 5 or more.    The combined
speed would be beyond ABM interception capability even with nuclear warheads.

This program seems like a deliberate effort to teach the demented f*cks in Washington that Russia will roast their asses if they try to pull any nuclear
primacy first strike or "retaliation".   A prompt global strike program would not have this value.  

Don't think project 4202 has to do with sarmat but is part of new system based on SS-19 vehicle.

Part of Russian guaranteed destruction of heavily defended target any where in world and in conventional role Russian equivalent of prompt global strike

Something probably missing on this flight test. Something is really missing.I think Russ MoD put a conservative estimate on the no of warheads.

GarryB wrote:as platforms to test on... ie they are being withdrawn from use as ICBMs so are available for testing or launching satellites.

Austin wrote:SS-19 are here to stay for long , infact they have 100 of SS-19 in dry storage they will use that for 2 decade.