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    GarryB
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    Re: Su-35S: News

    Post  GarryB on Sat Jun 11, 2011 3:29 am

    Right, so instead of discussing history I should of discussed more modern matters; such as the Su-35 and it's larger RCS compared to comparable planes.

    So why compare to Rafale and F-18... they are comparable to Mig-29SMT and Mig-35...

    The only comparable plane in service right now to the Su-35 would be the F-15C.

    The F-15E being comparable to the Su-34.

    You keep thinking I'm suggesting anything, I mean what I say, a Gen 4.5 craft will fare better than it's Gen 4 counterpart.

    We were talking about comparing LO with Stealth. If you wanted to compare LO with 4th gen then that would be a separate point which you tried to make later.

    Nope. The Su-35's frontal RCS is estimated to be 1 m2, I think, with minimal external stores, while the F-15SE's is what it is with it's internal stores.

    The proper production Silent Eagle doesn't exist. All they have is a modified F-15E and plans. It is currently vapourware.


    I hazard you don't have any real military experience? Thus it is your opinion!

    Military service only makes a difference when the subject is the topic of experience.

    Serving in the New Zealand Armed forces will tell me squat about secret Russian military programs.

    Ha, remaining arrogant is your problem and remaining open minded is mine.

    Sorry, but that made me laugh. You are the one that claims Russian pilots getting 100 hours of flight time a year cannot be classed as well trained and you are calling me arrogant and asking me if I served in the military.

    Such personal attacks will not make me be your research b!tch either. Razz

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    Re: Su-35S: News

    Post  Stealthflanker on Mon Jun 13, 2011 12:25 pm

    Well it's obvious that something like this is needed to solve everyone's problem ..

    img]http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2010/194/0/a/The_Three_MajorGraphs__D_by_Stealthflanker.png[/img]

    However it seems no one take his time making this kind of graphs... i would like to do it.. problem is i lacked suitable computer specs and the POFACETS program that i use to produce above graphs are buggy... i can't load new models that i made there Sad

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    Re: Su-35S: News

    Post  GarryB on Mon Jun 13, 2011 1:59 pm

    The problem is getting real data, but your models clearly show that no one RCS figure can be used to represent an object as complicated as an aircraft let alone a missile.

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    Re: Su-35S: News

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    Re: Su-35S: News

    Post  Vladimir79 on Mon Aug 22, 2011 8:27 pm

    Su-35BM has some serious problems... not only is the defence suite not up to par, but now the engines are burning out as was on PAK FA. Remember the second Su-35BM prototype crashed because of engine troubles. 117S needs a serious recheck.

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    Re: Su-35S: News

    Post  GarryB on Mon Aug 22, 2011 9:21 pm

    It is pretty unlikely for two engines to fail at once, and the PAK FAs engine didn't fail, it flamed out. If it had happened in flight then there are procedures to restart the engine that if followed would probably have worked so it is very unlikely to "cost a plane".

    Having said that they do need to get to the bottom of the problem, whether it is with the fuel management system or something else.

    Often such problems only reveal themselves with normal and not so normal use.

    BTW the complaints about the Su-35 seemed to centre around the fact that the self defence suite was not as good as the equivelent US suite fitted to US aircraft.
    It wasn't even stated that the suite was bad or didn't work.

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    Re: Su-35S: News

    Post  Vladimir79 on Tue Aug 23, 2011 1:48 am

    It said delays in Su-35 programme due to inability to develop sufficient defensive aids. The engine flare out was caused by failure of FADEC fuel flow control.

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    Re: Su-35S: News

    Post  GarryB on Tue Aug 23, 2011 8:30 am

    Lets not over react... the plane aborted a takeoff as a safety precaution... in a combat mission he probably would have taken off anyway (using a bit more runway) and restarted the stalled engine in the air an performed and interception.
    The engines and control systems are prototypes and still well in the development phase so it is perfectly normal for there to be problems surfacing.

    The relatively sedate flight routine and the fact that they didn't use the thrust vectoring at all suggests they were playing it safe.

    Regarding the incident itself it actually reminded me of the F-111s party trick of dumping fuel our of the fuel dumping valve and then lighting up the AB to ignite the fuel and make a pretty, long, orange flame. In this case however the extra fuel seems to have been dumped into the engine rather than a fuel dump valve.

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    Re: Su-35S: News

    Post  Viktor on Wed Aug 31, 2011 7:53 pm

    It would be interested to see how will situation unfold given Su-35 will soon get its angry rival in a form of Super 30 being codeveloped with India.

    By my opinion Super 30 is what Su-35 needed to be. Stealth/AESA/stronger engines and with its export variant Su-35.

    Now you have situation where Su-35 does not have buyers and ran in some development problems with Russia buying more and more of Su-30 variants and at the same time its export rival with more desirable toys (inner compartment for missiles, more stealth gadgets and holy grail of aviation AESA radar) ....

    Im not sure how will it impact Su-35 sales but my opinion is that with those gadgets functional Super 30 would be much easier to advertise and sale.

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    Re: Su-35S: News

    Post  Cyberspec on Thu Sep 01, 2011 1:53 am

    You don't seem to know much about the Su-35 which for a start has a redesigned airframe. The potential upgrades on the Su-30 would be as a result of the Su-35 not the other way around.

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    Re: Su-35S: News

    Post  GarryB on Thu Sep 01, 2011 8:55 am

    The Russian military are buying "Su-30MKI like" Su-30s because they are fully developed and mature and ready for production not because they are better.

    Once the Su-35 is ready for full rate production the only reason to buy more Su-30s is for gap fillers because they are cheaper despite being less capable.

    There are plenty of countries wanting Su-35s... the reason they are not getting them right now is the same reason the same countries are not getting S-400s... they aren't quite ready yet, and when they are the Russian AF has first dibs.

    Until Russia is mass producing AESAs and the technology matures there is little advantage to adding AESAs to a "numbers aircraft", PESAs have many of the same benefits and few of the same drawbacks of AESAs, and considering the planes are gap fillers till the PAK FA gets into full production and gradually starts replacing Flankers in service there is no great rush.

    Lets put it in perspective... the vast majority of Flankers in Russian service right now are 1980s standard Su-27s that don't even have PESAs, they have old Cassegrain radar antennas.
    And just having a PESA has never been seen as a problem for the Mig-31s in service...

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    Re: Su-35S: News

    Post  Cyberspec on Tue Sep 20, 2011 2:25 am

    The press service of Sukhoi has released a report on the Su-35S in which it says the aircraft has met and in some cases exceeded the designers specifications. They are confident it will be superior in many aspects to all other gen 4 and 4+ fighters (Rafale, EF-2000, upgraded F-15's and so on) and that it will be able to hold it's ground and counter the F-22 and F-35.

    The 2 prototypes and Su-35S-1 started state integration tests at the 929th Flight Tests Centre on 15th of August 2011.

    Source:

    Su-35 superior to the assigned specification - Sukhoi
    http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20110919/439878811.html

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    Re: Su-35S: News

    Post  GarryB on Tue Sep 20, 2011 5:12 am

    Excellent... Smile

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    Re: Su-35S: News

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    Re: Su-35S: News

    Post  Stealthflanker on Fri Oct 07, 2011 10:10 am

    Austin wrote:

    Zhuk-AE.. well i think it would be Zhuk-ASE .. scaled up Zhuk AE.


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    Re: Su-35S: News

    Post  medo on Sat Dec 03, 2011 11:11 am

    http://vz.ru/news/2011/12/2/543387.html

    The second serial Su-35S take off in Komsomolsk-on-Amur. I hope there will soon be photos of it.

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    Re: Su-35S: News

    Post  GarryB on Sat Dec 03, 2011 12:12 pm

    Keep an eye here:

    http://www.knaapo.ru/eng/news/index.wbp

    They will likely release photos first...

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    Re: Su-35S: News

    Post  medo on Tue Dec 06, 2011 6:50 pm

    http://www.knaapo.ru/eng/gallery/aircrafts/combat/su-35/2nd_ser_su-35.wbp

    Photos of the first flight of the second serial Su-35. It seems it have modified tail stinger comparing to the first one with additional sensors.

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    Re: Su-35S: News

    Post  Russian Patriot on Tue Jan 17, 2012 7:15 pm

    Russia’s 3rd Su-35S fighter starts test flights

    Russia's Sukhoi aircraft manufacturer started test flights of its third series-produced Su-35S Flanker-E multirole fighter on Tuesday, the company said.

    The aircraft took off from the Komsomolsk-on-Amur airfield in Russia's Far East, spending more than two hours in the air testing propulsion and control systems.

    The Su-35 Flanker-E superiority fighter is powered by two 117S engines with thrust vectoring. It can effectively engage several air targets simultaneously using both guided and unguided missiles and weapon systems.

    The aircraft has been touted as "4++ generation using fifth-generation technology."

    After the tests are completed, the Su-35 will be transferred to the Russian Defense Ministry.

    http://www.en.ria.ru/mlitary_news/20120117/170806054.html

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    Re: Su-35S: News

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    Re: Su-35S: News

    Post  GarryB on Sat Jan 21, 2012 11:31 pm

    KRATOS1133, I was reading on another forum that Algeria had found some components in its Su-30MKIs that were made in Israel and that there was (amateur) speculation that they will get rid of them and black list Sukhoi because of it.

    Have you come across anything like that?

    It was a site where pro west fanbois are strong.

    Of course there was a Su-30 with no Israeli or French equipment... it was the Su-30MKK... and now there is the Su-35 (see I am on topic)...

    Would there be a chance that Algeria will go for Su-35s in the future?


    Obviously right now Sukhoi will be scrambling to get them into Russian AF service, and I would suspect the new Space and Air Defence Forces will want to upgrade their interceptors too... a combination of upgraded Mig-31BMs, Su-30Ms, and perhaps Su-35s.

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    Re: Su-35S: News

    Post  Austin on Tue Jan 24, 2012 5:22 am

    Any reason why Russian cockpit use blue green colour ?

    http://русская-сила.рф/guide/air/s/su34-21.jpg

    Compare that to Indian Navy Mig-29K which uses pale grey colour

    http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3186/2555955534_80125abe0c_b.jpg

    I see even the latest Su-35 and PAK-FA cockpit with blue green colour

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    Re: Su-35S: News

    Post  TR1 on Tue Jan 24, 2012 5:40 am

    The SMTs in Russian service also use the grey color.

    The reason for the color was because it supposedly is the least stressful on the eyes in the cockpit environment. Something about not being able to focus on the color itself, but on the instruments between the background.

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    Re: Su-35S: News

    Post  GarryB on Tue Jan 24, 2012 8:08 am

    If the background colour was black it would absorb light and make the cockpit appear darker than it actually was.

    For the same reason most textbooks have white pages with black text.

    There is no physical reason why they couldn't make the pages black and the text white, but by making the page white it increases the amount of light reflected from the page which makes it brighter and clearer.

    They tested a lot of colours and found the Blue Green colour to be light enough to reflect a lot of light to make the instruments easier to read, while not reflecting so much light as to create glare and make the instruments hard to look at.


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    Re: Su-35S: News

    Post  medo on Sat Feb 18, 2012 6:23 pm



    The third serial Su-35 in new colors and with red 03 number.

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