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    Post  sepheronx Tue Jun 20, 2023 3:28 am

    GarryB wrote:Well assuming it is true that is what I was afraid of... why should Iran trust Moscow if they keep pulling this shit?

    I would say screw Israel... they caused the loss of that intel aircraft in Syria because of their bullshit, why should Russia respect their fears and needs when they walk all over their neighbours with no respect and treat their own population like Kiev treats its Russian speaking portion of its own population.

    How about Russia wont sell Su-35s to Iran if Israel withdraws from the Golan Heights and promises to drop all economic sanctions against Iran and Syria... but Russia would have to confirm that is OK with Iran first.

    Of course this requires confirmation first because Israeli sources will be more interested in rocking the boat than publishing the truth.

    I believe its bullshit. Its a way for Israel to tell others "we are respected and feared" when Israel had no qualms training and arming Ukrainians.

    I wouldn't put much stock into this shit.

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    Post  lyle6 Tue Jun 20, 2023 11:09 am

    Because like it or not, Israel's nuke capabilities gets a vote.
    Do you really think Israel will allow Iran to challenge it in the air? They'd nuke Iran to dust first before that happens.

    And this is why Russia is so insistent that the Iranians take the S-400 asap. Its the only reliable shield against nuclear strikes that Russia can export. But no, some stupid fucking blowhards who missed their calling getting blown up by Iraqi mines insist their local solution cobbled up from blown up Patriots is even better. Fucking morons. Mad
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    Post  T-47 Tue Jun 20, 2023 12:12 pm

    GarryB wrote:Well assuming it is true that is what I was afraid of... why should Iran trust Moscow if they keep pulling this shit?

    The zionist lobby in Moscow is still strong. Putin needs to get rid of them properly. Otherwise they won't succeed in their new ME policies. Russia is bothering too much about ass-raeli security while they give 0 F about any Ru concerns.



    I would say screw Israel... they caused the loss of that intel aircraft in Syria because of their bullshit, why should Russia respect their fears and needs when they walk all over their neighbours with no respect and treat their own population like Kiev treats its Russian speaking portion of its own population.

    Fully agreed.


    sepheronx wrote:I believe its bullshit

    You are most likely correct. I tracked down the source to this video which is full of cope.

    https://youtu.be/UXLpECCIgMY

    This is the only source of that "channel 12" and being parroted by Iranian nationalists + some pesky zionist media. That alaraby is founded by an ex-israeli MP and based in London and funded Qatar. Totally credible Very Happy
    Even they didn't claim directly that a deal has been made. Of course israel will bark and "demand" all sort of things though.


    lyle6 wrote:Do you really think Israel will allow Iran to challenge it in the air?

    Yes because they simply don't have the capability to stop Iran from doing so. Those nukes won't stop Iran from retaliating. Geography matters, israel has no mean no destroy those huge bunkers under the mountain Iran built even with nukes, while Iran can wipe them out without nukes. There isn't a lot of land to cover lol. They will as usual hide behind US skirt like a little girl and that is the only problem which needs to be sorted elsewhere. Hence NATO demilitarization is good for Iran too.


    Russia is so insistent that the Iranians take the S-400 asap

    No, Russia isn't really "insistent". They offered like they offered many other countries, that's it. Russia is helping Iran to build their early warning radars though, there are much more happening than just trading weapons.


    But no, some stupid fucking blowhards who missed their calling getting blown up by Iraqi mines insist their local solution cobbled up from blown up Patriots is even better. Fucking morons.

    Morons are right about one thing, without a local supply line a prolonged war is doomed. Even with S-400 Iran will need some local long range system, no matter how bad that is.

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    Post  lyle6 Tue Jun 20, 2023 1:07 pm

    T-47 wrote:
    Yes because they simply don't have the capability to stop Iran from doing so. Those nukes won't stop Iran from retaliating. Geography matters, israel has no mean no destroy those huge bunkers under the mountain Iran built even with nukes, while Iran can wipe them out without nukes. There isn't a lot of land to cover lol. They will as usual hide behind US skirt like a little girl and that is the only problem which needs to be sorted elsewhere. Hence NATO demilitarization is good for Iran too.
    Bunkers have portals, hatches that can be demolished and everyone on the inside would be as good as entombed.

    And no, Iran's attempts at retaliation would not even come close to the damage Israel's nukes can inflict.

    T-47 wrote:
    No, Russia isn't really "insistent". They offered like they offered many other countries, that's it. Russia is helping Iran to build their early warning radars though, there are much more happening than just trading weapons.
    Russia made one of the best offers just purely from the perspective of Iran. The only thing better was if they offered the Army S-300V4 system instead.

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    Morons are right about one thing, without a local supply line a prolonged war is doomed. Even with S-400 Iran will need some local long range system, no matter how bad that is.
    Russia and Iran share an internal waterway dominated by Russia's Caspian fleet. Unless Iran is planning on turning on the Russians, there is no other safer means of resupply - - even Iranian soil is not as safe.
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    Post  GarryB Tue Jun 20, 2023 2:08 pm

    Stupid question but Israel doesn't have intermediate range ballistic missiles so how would it deliver its nukes... I am guessing cruise missile or aircraft... which would make Su-35s rather an important component in Irans defence against Israel, while its own ballistic rockets would allow it to launch attacks against a range of targets in Israel with relative impunity in the sense that Israel has no similar capability to strike back.

    Long range Israeli strikes are hard to plan and would be very fragile in terms of stopping them... and what sort of nukes does Israeli have... ground penetrating nukes for bunker busting...

    I think even Israel would struggle to explain why they nuked a whole Iranian city because Iran bought some fighter planes...

    The US might decide to attack Iran but considering Irans ballistic weapons and their air defence missiles which are not terrible and could really do some damage to US air power... along with the US probably not being able to rely on using air bases in Saudi Arabia any more and it kinda starts to look a bit shaky...

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    Post  lancelot Tue Jun 20, 2023 2:17 pm

    GarryB wrote:Stupid question but Israel doesn't have intermediate range ballistic missiles so how would it deliver its nukes...
    Israel has ICBMs. Never heard of Jericho-III missile?

    They also have submarine launched cruise missiles which they can launch using the Dolphin-class submarines.

    Israel has the whole triad basically. Well they do not have strategic bombers but they have tactical ones.
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    Post  T-47 Wed Jun 21, 2023 10:32 pm

    lyle6 wrote:Bunkers have portals, hatches that can be demolished and everyone on the inside would be as good as entombed.

    Good luck finding all of those LMAO. And nuke bunkers are a thing since 50s. You would think that they may did some study on those effects. Nukes are scary but its not hollywood.


    And no, Iran's attempts at retaliation would not even come close to the damage Israel's nukes can inflict.

    Unless US supplies more nukes to them they can't even target all the military installations of Iran, let alone destroying cities and ports. Meanwhile Iran can literally cover every cm of israeli soil with their conventional missiles and if you include their proxies around israel. They'll have very "fun" at defending their air bases. The only retaliation they will have left are their subs. As I said, geography matters. Furthermore I'm fairly sure Iran is ready to make nukes pretty soon, no one builds ICBM tech just for conventional warheads.


    Russia made one of the best offers just purely from the perspective of Iran. The only thing better was if they offered the Army S-300V4 system instead.

    As I said, IMO Iran should go for S-400 but that doesn't mean they should reject their own development completely. They should keep working and improving own systems as well.


    Russia and Iran share an internal waterway dominated by Russia's Caspian fleet. Unless Iran is planning on turning on the Russians, there is no other safer means of resupply - - even Iranian soil is not as safe.

    Azeris are owned by zionists. Unless Caspian flotilla is ready to fully guard every ship of the weapon supplies, that supply line won't last long, unless of course they send troops in their as well aka a much wider war. And in a high intensity warfare relying on bringing critical missiles from few thousands km away from a different country who aren't obliged to defend you by any treaty, yeah peak strategy.

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    Post  lyle6 Thu Jun 22, 2023 4:59 am

    GarryB wrote:
    Stupid question but Israel doesn't have intermediate range ballistic missiles so how would it deliver its nukes... I am guessing cruise missile or aircraft... which would make Su-35s rather an important component in Irans defence against Israel, while its own ballistic rockets would allow it to launch attacks against a range of targets in Israel with relative impunity in the sense that Israel has no similar capability to strike back.
    But Israel has lots of IRBMs that can range just about the entire Eurasian and African landmass...

    They just don't need to wave them around all that much because each can be nuke tipped.

    GarryB wrote:
    Long range Israeli strikes are hard to plan and would be very fragile in terms of stopping them... and what sort of nukes does Israeli have... ground penetrating nukes for bunker busting...
    Israel has an entire arsenal of multi-megaton thermonuclear warheads down to infinitely usable micro-nukes with very residual radiation.

    The last ones are very dangerous - they actually pre-planted many such bombs on Iran's critical facilities because the whole place is ridden with traitors lol.

    GarryB wrote:
    I think even Israel would struggle to explain why they nuked a whole Iranian city because Iran bought some fighter planes...
    Will they?

    GarryB wrote:
    The US might decide to attack Iran but considering Irans ballistic weapons and their air defence missiles which are not terrible and could really do some damage to US air power... along with the US probably not being able to rely on using air bases in Saudi Arabia any more and it kinda starts to look a bit shaky...
    But Iran doesn't have the other requirement in waging a successful air defense campaign - a capable air force. Without one Iran is at the mercy of US airpower which is free to concentrate and decisively crush the weakest points in the Iranian air defense net.

    Its also not a good idea to bet on the Saudis. They know which way the bread is buttered, they're just looking for a better deal than the one they have.

    T-47 wrote:
    Good luck finding all of those LMAO. And nuke bunkers are a thing since 50s. You would think that they may did some study on those effects. Nukes are scary but its not hollywood.
    Israeli intelligence doesn't seem to have any problem hunting Iran's nuclear scientists. A hole in the ground is not a problem.

    T-47 wrote:
    Unless US supplies more nukes to them they can't even target all the military installations of Iran, let alone destroying cities and ports. Meanwhile Iran can literally cover every cm of israeli soil with their conventional missiles and if you include their proxies around israel. They'll have very "fun" at defending their air bases. The only retaliation they will have left are their subs. As I said, geography matters. Furthermore I'm fairly sure Iran is ready to make nukes pretty soon, no one builds ICBM tech just for conventional warheads.
    The worst nuclear proliferator on the planet is somehow against sharing nukes with its greatest ally. Pull another card.

    T-47 wrote:
    As I said, IMO Iran should go for S-400 but that doesn't mean they should reject their own development completely. They should keep working and improving own systems as well.
    But it will take at least 20 years for the Iranians to catch up. By then even the S-400 would be obsolete. Air defense is fucking hard.

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    Azeris are owned by zionists. Unless Caspian flotilla is ready to fully guard every ship of the weapon supplies, that supply line won't last long, unless of course they send troops in their as well aka a much wider war. And in a high intensity warfare relying on bringing critical missiles from few thousands km away from a different country who aren't obliged to defend you by any treaty, yeah peak strategy.
    The Caspian Flotilla has Kalibrs programmed with SOCARS most critical infrastructure. Yeah, I don't think Azerbaijan would even have the balls to try...

    And what thousands of kms - its practically a hop and a skip. And why would Russia skip the opportunity to give the west a taste of its medicine post Ukraine?

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    Post  GarryB Thu Jun 22, 2023 6:38 am

    Israel has ICBMs. Never heard of Jericho-III missile?

    Nah, never heard of it...

    Considering the distance to Iran however it is probably more of a MRBM or IRBM than an ICBM, which would make it more vulnerable to interception than a longer ranged model...

    Israel has the whole triad basically. Well they do not have strategic bombers but they have tactical ones.

    Its core problem though is that if it starts slinging nukes around the place it is going to become a bit of a pariah... especially if their reason for launching nukes is pretty weak... like Iran getting Flankers...

    Iran might not have nuke warheads but they have plenty of ballistic missiles that would be quite dangerous if they wanted a real fight.


    Azeris are owned by zionists.

    I don't think the Azeris would interfere because if they did it would be very simple to obliterate the Gas network in Azerbaijan which would be a fairly crippling blow to them, and there are other things they could do too that would not be too hard or expensive...

    Notice Georgia is not keen to step up and help their Ukrainian brothers... they know Russia is not in a position to tollerate shit from them so any response will likely be very very hard for Georgia.

    Will they?

    Yes.

    But Iran doesn't have the other requirement in waging a successful air defense campaign - a capable air force. Without one Iran is at the mercy of US airpower which is free to concentrate and decisively crush the weakest points in the Iranian air defense net.

    Closing the Persian Gulf and stopping selling its gas alone would probably crush the west who is an indirect customer... Plus the US sending Air Power to attack Iran might lead to Russia delivering some things that would be useful in their defence... how about a MiG-31K with a few Kinzhals for testing and evaluation...

    Its also not a good idea to bet on the Saudis. They know which way the bread is buttered, they're just looking for a better deal than the one they have.

    I think the Saudis know the west is going to screw them with their anti hydrocarbon greenies getting more and more power... eventually the west was going to drop them like a hot rock and walk away.

    The worst nuclear proliferator on the planet is somehow against sharing nukes with its greatest ally. Pull another card.

    Israel is a small target... would nukes even be needed to do serious damage... most of its own citizens are not happy with how things are... nuking other countries in the middle of a civil war would be messy...

    Are they willing to take such risks because of Su-35s?

    But it will take at least 20 years for the Iranians to catch up. By then even the S-400 would be obsolete. Air defense is fucking hard.

    The US and west are supporting Kiev... in a conflict in the Middle East would Russia ignore Iran in its fight against the US... sworn enemy of Russia?

    The Caspian Flotilla has Kalibrs programmed with SOCARS most critical infrastructure. Yeah, I don't think Azerbaijan would even have the balls to try...

    Not really a question of balls, but of brains... they would have the balls to try if they thought they could get away with it with no consequences, but their brains will tell them the obvious and easy and likely consequences will essentially be suicide financially and militarily for their country so friends or otherwise of Israel or Turkey wont mean much in my opinion.

    And what thousands of kms - its practically a hop and a skip. And why would Russia skip the opportunity to give the west a taste of its medicine post Ukraine?

    Exactly... let the freedom fighters within Israels own borders learn to use Javelin and Stinger and NLAW...

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    Post  T-47 Sun Jul 23, 2023 7:38 pm

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    Apparently Russia supplied around 3000 trucks to Iran. Some of them will go to military, others to civilian service.

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    Post  mack8 Sat Sep 02, 2023 11:57 am

    Iran receives the first Yak-130 trainers
    https://twitter.com/IranObserver0/status/1697901268558106634
    https://twitter.com/IranMilitaryNet/status/1697901915177201742

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    Post  T-47 Sat Sep 02, 2023 1:14 pm

    mack8 wrote:Iran receives the first Yak-130 trainers
    https://twitter.com/IranObserver0/status/1697901268558106634
    https://twitter.com/IranMilitaryNet/status/1697901915177201742

    I posted on IRIAF thread, is this the correct thread?

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    Post  mack8 Sat Sep 02, 2023 6:19 pm

    More pictures Very Happy
    https://twitter.com/Mack8miltech/status/1698002813601665475

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    Post  mack8 Sat Sep 02, 2023 6:21 pm

    T-47 wrote:
    mack8 wrote:Iran receives the first Yak-130 trainers
    https://twitter.com/IranObserver0/status/1697901268558106634
    https://twitter.com/IranMilitaryNet/status/1697901915177201742

    I posted on IRIAF thread, is this the correct thread?

    I'm sure either thread is fine imo.

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    Post  George1 Sat Sep 02, 2023 9:21 pm

    Iran received Yak-130 aircraft

    The Iranian Air Force reportedly received the first two Russian-supplied Yak-130 combat training aircraft. This is confirmed by the relevant photo and video materials taken at the 8th tactical air base of the Iranian Air Force in Isfahan, where these Yak-130 aircraft have already begun to fly.

    Officially, the contract for the supply of Yak-130 aircraft to Iran was not reported, but the first reports of Iranian resources on the purchase of the Yak-130 appeared in early July. Presumably, these first two Yak-130 aircraft were delivered to the Mehrabad airport in Tehran on board the An-124-100 military transport aircraft from the 224th flight detachment of the Russian Ministry of Defense.

    Thus, Iran became the seventh foreign recipient of Yak-130 aircraft manufactured by the Irkutsk Aviation Plant, after Algeria, Bangladesh, Belarus, Vietnam, Myanmar and Laos.

    UPD: According to a colleague of imp_navigator, the Iranian news agency Tasnim reported that the [Iranian] Army confirmed the arrival of the Yak-130 in the country and that they are based at the 8th Shahid Babai Tactical Air Base in Isfahan. It was also stated that the acquisition of aircraft was carried out in order to improve the training and combat capability of the Air Force and that the Yak-130 will be used to train pilots who will fly the new fighters of the Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force. The replenishment of the Air Force with Yak-130 aircraft corresponds to Iran's contracts with Russia.

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4744984.html

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    Post  GarryB Sun Sep 03, 2023 7:02 am

    I would say the only reason they would need such advanced trainers would be if they are buying Su-35s and Su-30s and want to properly prepare their pilots for the new aircraft.

    The Yak-130 is a good step before such modern fighters.

    Iran already makes their own basic jet trainer based on the F-5... maybe Russia has made a deal where Iran buys Yak-130s as advanced trainers and they use their F-5 based aircraft as cheap numbers trainers that perhaps also have a light fighter and light strike role, and the Yak-130 are advanced trainers and better light fighters and light bombers if the need arises.

    In that regard perhaps Russia might buy some Iranian F-5 simple cheap basic jet light trainers to replace the L-39s they are currently using between their prop trainers and the Yak-130s.

    Such a stepping stone ( for Iran a more advanced trainer leading to use of more advanced fighters, and for Russia to fill a gap left by a former Warsaw Pact country and their hostility to Russia) would be useful for both countries with local production ensuring production and access cannot be stopped or interfered with by third parties or coups.

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    Post  ALAMO Sun Sep 03, 2023 12:41 pm

    Sure, and that is a general comment. Planes are there to get them ready for Suchois.

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Sun Sep 03, 2023 1:10 pm

    ALAMO wrote:Sure, and that is a general comment. Planes are there to get them ready for Suchois.

    couple more Israel's bombardment of Russian interests in Syria and more pressing of Russia by USA and magically #u-35 will fly on Iranian sky
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    Post  GarryB Mon Sep 04, 2023 7:24 am

    couple more Israel's bombardment of Russian interests in Syria and more pressing of Russia by USA and magically #u-35 will fly on Iranian sky

    Hopefully Iran will get them anyway... those F-4s and F-14s need to be retired... would love to see them get Su-35s and MiG-35s to replace both types... or perhaps to maximise numbers they could get MiG-29Ms as their light numbers aircraft which could replace their MiG-29s and F-4s in the light fighter role, with their domestic version of the F-5 light fighter as a cheap light fighter that would be good for dealing with drones etc.

    New engines from Russia and a new cannon could transform the F-5... if they go for MiG-29M then a single RD-33 could replace the two small engines in the F-5 in the same way that the Americans upgraded their F-5s to make it an F-20.

    Those new RVV-MD2 AAMs and a decent little AESA radar in the nose and a nice powerful cannon and it could be an amazing little fighter...

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    Post  GarryB Mon Sep 04, 2023 7:25 am

    When Iran retires their Tomcats they can send examples to Vietnam and Cuba and Syria and Russia and Belarus for display in museums...

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    Post  Kiko Tue Sep 05, 2023 1:12 am

    The delivery of the Yak-130 to Iran paves the way for another advanced Russian fighter, 09.04.2023.

    Recently, Iran's main news agencies reported that the country received Russian-made Yak-130 combat training aircraft. It is believed that the acquisition of this aircraft could mean that the Iranian Air Force will soon add another new fighter to its arsenal from Russia.

    Photos and videos confirming the delivery of the Yak-130 were published in the media and are already circulating on the internet. However, Iranian officials and commanders have not yet given details, such as when the aircraft arrived or how many the state expects to receive in total.

    According to the Tasnim agency, the Russian-made Yak-130s have already been put into service of the Iranian Air Forces and deployed at the Shahid Babaei airbase in Isfahan. Its main objective will be to contribute to the improvement of the training and combat capacity of the state Armed Forces personnel. According to the publication, the Iranian army may receive unnamed new-generation fighters, and the Russian Yak-130s will be used to train Iranian pilots in piloting the most modern aircraft.

    Iran has made significant progress in recent years in the field of its own armament, relying on its own industry. It should be noted that some of the novelties of the Iranian defense industry were presented in August at the Army 2023 International Military-Technical Forum in Russia and attracted considerable attention from visitors and experts. Earlier this year, the state launched the production of a new combined training and close air support aircraft known as Yasin.

    In parallel with advances in its defense industry, Iran continues to expand its military-technical cooperation with the world's leading manufacturers. The agreement on the Yak-130 confirms the achievements that are being made on the way to strengthening relations in this field with the Russian partner.

    Main features of the Yak-130

    It should be noted that the Yak-130 advanced training aircraft was the first aircraft built entirely in Russia after the collapse of the USSR, when it was already clear that the Czech L-39 Albatros had become obsolete. In 2009 the aircraft successfully passed the state tests and in two years began its serial production.

    The Yak-130 is a two-seat training, reconnaissance and light combat aircraft designed to simulate the characteristics of 4+ and 5th generation fighter aircraft, from the Su-30 and MiG-29, to the Su-35S and Su-57.

    The aircraft of this model feature a full glass cockpit, a four-channel fly-by-wire system (piloting by wire or a system that replaces conventional manual flight controls with an electronic interface), a helmet-mounted aiming system and a GPS/GLONASS dual navigation system. Combined, these features allow pilots to familiarize themselves with the systems of the most modern military aircraft.

    The armament of the Yak-130 includes nine suspension points (two at the wing tip, six under the wing and one under the fuselage), which can be equipped with missiles, rockets, bombs and external fuel tanks. The aircraft has a total combat payload capacity of about 3,000 kilograms, does not have an internal cannon, but can carry external 23 mm cannons.

    The aircraft has a maximum range of up to 2,100 kilometers, and a combat range of about 555 kilometers, and is designed to fly at subsonic speeds close to Mach 1, with an operational flight ceiling of about 12.5 kilometers. It is powered by two Ivchenko-Progress Al-222-25 turbofan engines mounted under the roots of the wing extensions.

    The Yak-130 has been in service with the Russian Armed Forces since the early 2010s and is exported to half a dozen countries around the world, including Belarus, Algeria, Bangladesh, Vietnam, Laos and Myanmar.

    Waiting for the Su-35s?

    Deepening the issue of the delivery of the Russian Yak-130 to the Iranian Armed Forces, the Military Watch military portal addresses the possibility of the prompt delivery of the Su-35S fighters.

    In the opinion of the media, the supply of the Yak-130 corresponds to the Iranian plans to arm its air forces with more advanced fighters, compared to those they have at the moment. "Otherwise, the Yak-130 would have little place in the current force structure of the Iranian Air Force," the publication notes.

    The Yak-130 is the first advanced Russian fighter jet to be received by Iran since the deliveries of the fourth-generation MiG-29 and Su-24M. However, that contract was concluded even in the 1990s as part of those of the Soviet era.

    In this regard, it is emphasized that the collapse of the USSR has significantly affected the depth of cooperation between Russia and Iran at that time and has damaged Iranian aspirations to rebuild its fighter fleet with MiG-29s. Meanwhile, the situation has changed since that time. Iran has already shared images of its new heavily fortified Oghab 44 airbase, "which is expected to house the first delivered Su-35S," according to the article.

    The publication adds that Iran is currently unable to put a number of more advanced aircraft into production, which some see as a sign of weakness in its aviation industry. However, others believe that Tehran only intends to introduce the Russian Su-35S "as soon as possible", and the acquisition of the Yak-130 is the fastest way to achieve this, as modifying the national trainers would take more time and would be less effective, "especially in the short term".

    "The Yak-130 retains a formidable combat capability along with its trainer function, and given that the vast majority of Iranian fighters are obsolete third-generation jets from the Vietnam War era, the new aircraft is one of the most capable, and by far the most sophisticated, in service," the article explains.

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    Post  GarryB Tue Sep 05, 2023 12:21 pm


    The publication adds that Iran is currently unable to put a number of more advanced aircraft into production, which some see as a sign of weakness in its aviation industry.

    Even Europe can't build decent 5th gen fighters, and they can only afford to create 4th gen fighters by robbing the third world like vampires... a modern fighter jet is made up of a huge range of different technologies not many countries can master on their own.

    Even keeping its F-14s flying is more than the US Navy could manage and their budget is probably bigger than Irans entire GDP.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Thu Sep 07, 2023 9:37 pm

    Perhaps the Su-35s won't be delivered to Iran anytime soon- they may be needed against Ukraine/NATO/Japan, so more Yak-130s will go there instead:
    https://nvo.ng.ru/realty/2023-09-07/1_1252_iran.html?print=Y
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    Post  GarryB Fri Sep 08, 2023 5:20 am

    It is possible, but the delivery of Yak-130s would be a necessary step in terms of creating a pool of trained pilots in Iran to operate Su-35s or any other type they might eventually buy.

    I rather suspect they would train a few pilots in Russia to fly the Su-35 so when they arrive they are fully combat capable and ready to fight if needed... the local pilots already trained in Russia so they will already be familiar with Iranian airspace and terrain and had been trained to operate the Su-35s in Russia so when they get to Iran they should be fully able to defend themselves and Iran too.

    It will be like the US... by the time they say they have sent x super weapon to Kiev they are already on the ground and might have already been used...

    Of course they might surprise everyone and buy MiG-35s upgraded for carrier use so they have folding wings to fit into underground hangars...

    Who knows... it is going to be fun though.
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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Tue Nov 28, 2023 11:28 am

    Iran's Deputy Defense Minister reported that final agreements have been signed on the supply of Su-35 fighter jets and Mi-28 helicopters to Iran.

    Cool

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