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    Re: Russia-Belarus Political and Economic Ties

    Post  ATLASCUB on Sun 17 Feb 2019, 23:16

    kvs wrote:Belorus is a fake country created from the Bolshevik Soviet Socialist Republic.   If we are going to use regional linguistic variation as
    a basis for statehood, then England should be split into over twenty countries.    There is more linguistic variation from village to village
    in the UK than there is between Belorus and the rest of Russia.

    Ukraine is a more special case since its history ruled by other countries spans into centuries.   They are much more assimilated by Poland,
    Austro-Hungary, etc.  And Ukrainian is really a distinct language compared to Belorussian.

    Russia needs to get its act together and foist regime change on this fake clown show of country and especially its head dictator clown.
    It will be totally unforgivable if NATO is given a chance to pull the same type of coup that they did in Ukraine.
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    Post  calripson on Mon 18 Feb 2019, 01:59

    The key phrase in the proposed Russia-Belarus alliance was "if the people (of both countries) support it". I seriously doubt there is much desire for union among Belarussians under 35 and particularly young urban people. I have met Belarussians in their forties who make a point to differentiate themselves from Russians. I think it would be a very hard sell.
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    Re: Russia-Belarus Political and Economic Ties

    Post  Nibiru on Mon 18 Feb 2019, 02:27


    Reunification between Russia and other former soviet countries wouldn’t be too difficult if it wasn’t for US and Nato meddling. So in order for such a move to be successful, it needs to be carried out simultaneously with a plot to destroy American economy and ultimately break USA into many independent entities.
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    Re: Russia-Belarus Political and Economic Ties

    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Tue 19 Feb 2019, 03:24

    calripson wrote:The key phrase in the proposed Russia-Belarus alliance was "if the people (of both countries) support it". I seriously doubt there is much desire for union among Belarussians under 35 and particularly young urban people. I have met Belarussians in their forties who make a point to differentiate themselves from Russians. I think it would be a very hard sell.

    To be fair if Putin and Lukashenka want this done 100 percent what the people want do not matter they would simply rig any vote.

    Not saying they will, merely saying in the end it's what those two decide because if push comes to shove they can control what the outcome is.
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    Re: Russia-Belarus Political and Economic Ties

    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Tue 19 Feb 2019, 10:23

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    calripson wrote:The key phrase in the proposed Russia-Belarus alliance was "if the people (of both countries) support it". I seriously doubt there is much desire for union among Belarussians under 35 and particularly young urban people. I have met Belarussians in their forties who make a point to differentiate themselves from Russians. I think it would be a very hard sell.

    To be fair if Putin and Lukashenka want this done 100 percent what the people want do not matter they would simply rig any vote.

    Not saying they will, merely saying in the end it's what those two decide because if push comes to shove they can control what the outcome is.


    https://www.stalkerzone.org/aleksandr-khaldey-putin-and-lukashenko-started-to-rebuild-a-common-home/
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    Re: Russia-Belarus Political and Economic Ties

    Post  miketheterrible on Tue 19 Feb 2019, 11:39

    Russia's biggest mistake was only having Lukashenko to deal with. They should have funded and worked with opposition's. Now it is Lukashenko vs all Western stooges of multiple colors.

    I don't think Stalkerzones viewpoint is correct here
    Negotiations are failure cause Belarus is still currently sitting as is and no changes happened yet.
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    Re: Russia-Belarus Political and Economic Ties

    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Tue 19 Feb 2019, 19:37

    Rodion_Romanovic wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    calripson wrote:The key phrase in the proposed Russia-Belarus alliance was "if the people (of both countries) support it". I seriously doubt there is much desire for union among Belarussians under 35 and particularly young urban people. I have met Belarussians in their forties who make a point to differentiate themselves from Russians. I think it would be a very hard sell.

    To be fair if Putin and Lukashenka want this done 100 percent what the people want do not matter they would simply rig any vote.

    Not saying they will, merely saying in the end it's what those two decide because if push comes to shove they can control what the outcome is.


    https://www.stalkerzone.org/aleksandr-khaldey-putin-and-lukashenko-started-to-rebuild-a-common-home/

    There is a lot of maybes with this article Lukashenka has a habit of saying they will rejoin with Russia and then they don't he has said this before multiple times again.

    I'll believe it when they actually start doing it.
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    Re: Russia-Belarus Political and Economic Ties

    Post  Regular on Tue 05 Mar 2019, 21:55

    Why would average belarussian would like to join Russia? It's like Canadians joining USA
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    Post  miketheterrible on Tue 05 Mar 2019, 22:45

    https://vestnikkavkaza.net/news/Lukashenko-Belarus-wants-closer-ties-to-NATO.html

    It's best if Russia seeks to remove Lukashenko before he becomes next Yanukovich and gets his country fucked.

    Good example there moron, Ukraine strives for it. I wonder why? Oh, cause NATO rules them.
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    Re: Russia-Belarus Political and Economic Ties

    Post  kvs on Wed 06 Mar 2019, 00:53

    Regular wrote:Why would average belarussian would like to join Russia? It's like Canadians joining USA

    That analogy is ludicrous. Canada and the USA were never part of the same entity even if they were part of the British Empire
    before the US revolution. At the time of the US revolution, the North-East core of America was around for over 150 years.
    Canada did not exit in 1630. It was French until the early 1760s. The English, Irish and Scottish settlers who came after
    1765 established their own country like the US settlers did after 1630.

    There was no such thing as Belorus as a separate political entity until the Bolsheviks created it after 1917. The reason for
    the Belorus republic was BS. There is no ethnic difference. There is a slight difference in dialect. There are dialects
    in the UK that are almost impossible to understand by other English speakers. So England, by the Bolshevik and your logic,
    should be partitioned into several pieces. Utter BS.

    It's time to bury the Bolshevik legacy. The Bolsheviks mirror the current anti-white PC SJWs in the USA and other parts
    of NATO. They hated Russia and split it into pieces to eventually destroy it. But their big agenda went off the rails
    by the 1930s. However, the BS partitioning of Russia into pieces persisted.

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    Re: Russia-Belarus Political and Economic Ties

    Post  Regular on Wed 06 Mar 2019, 21:22

    kvs wrote:
    Regular wrote:Why would average belarussian would like to join Russia? It's like Canadians joining USA

    That analogy is ludicrous.   Canada and the USA were never part of the same entity even if they were part of the British Empire
    before the US revolution.   At the time of the US revolution, the North-East core of America was around for over 150 years.
    Canada did not exit in 1630.   It was French until the early 1760s.   The English, Irish and Scottish settlers who came after
    1765 established their own country like the US settlers did after 1630.  

    There was no such thing as Belorus as a separate political entity until the Bolsheviks created it after 1917.   The reason for
    the Belorus republic was BS.   There is no ethnic difference.   There is a slight difference in dialect.   There are dialects
    in the UK that are almost impossible to understand by other English speakers.   So England, by the Bolshevik and your logic,
    should be partitioned into several pieces.   Utter BS.  

    It's time to bury the Bolshevik legacy.   The Bolsheviks mirror the current anti-white PC SJWs in the USA and other parts
    of NATO.   They hated Russia and split it into pieces to eventually destroy it.   But their big agenda went off the rails
    by the 1930s.   However, the BS partitioning of Russia into pieces persisted.  

    I have biased feelings about Belarus as I love this country more than my own. My brother lives there and I am frequent visitor.
    Pan-slavism aside- I was more reflecting living standards of US and Canada.
    Same as Belarus has much better living standards than Russia. Tiny wage gap doesn't matter when living costs are so much lower. Not to mention Belarus is much cleaner, safer country, there are no pidarast opposition, people get decent care, they are all employed. No oligarchs, rich sluts with fake tits driving Macan Gts, Kavkaz shitheads in AMGs driving and shooting AKs in middle of the cities and no people above law. There are no countries in Europe that could compare to them when it comes to living standards to simple working man. Russia in my opinion is still dirty country riddled with corruption, mafia, kaukazoid mongoloids if it wasn't the case I would move there asap, but my experience is sour. Moscow is fucking ugly Mordor compared to Minsk. Belarusian people have more history than Ukrainians as they were muscle of Grand Duchy and their language was dominant not Lithuanian. Belarussians existed before Ukrainians were still just a sperm in Lenin balls. At the moment Russia simply has very little to offer to simple Belarusian, Lukashenko said few weeks ago that 98% population would oppose joining. But maybe you can tell me how life would improve under rule of fat moscow cats? It's not Crimea.. Best for Russia would be to fix their own backyard before going for Belarus unification. What our fellow belorusians have to say about it?


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    Re: Russia-Belarus Political and Economic Ties

    Post  flamming_python on Wed 06 Mar 2019, 21:54

    Regular wrote:
    Same as Belarus has much better living standards than Russia. Wage gap doesn't matter when living costs are so much lower. Not to mention Belarus is much cleaner, safer country
    ...
    Russia simply has very little to offer to simple Belarusian. But maybe you can tell me how life would improve under rule of fat moscow cats? It's not Crimea.. Best for Russia would be to fix their own backyard before going for Belarus unification.

    A house divided is a house that falls.

    Either Russia pursues closer integration with it's ex-Soviet neighbours or sooner or later we and them will all be under someone's boot. Who won't offer nearly as favorable conditions.

    I don't think that Belarus would stand to gain by becoming another wanna-be member of the EU; being forced to shut-down its heavy industry as 'uncompetitive' and not green enough, cut its economic, defence & social ties to Russia, raise its heating/electricity/water bills for its population by ten-fold, be forced to import expensive LNG gas from America, raise the pension age to above the average life-expectancy, export its working age citizens for low-grade work and have its best and brightest permanently emigrate to Europe, have all its elite buy up mansions in the Alps, Brazil, French Riviera and repeat Brussels' talking points at every opportunity, introduce social-engineering campaigns, "LGBT-friendliness" and other privileges to select minorities... and make up some BS nationalist myths to feed to the population to justify it all.
    Yet w/o Russia that would be the only option available to it.
    And if they try to insist on their independence vis-a-vis the West without Russia to back them up then they'll be sanctioned to hell and then bombed.

    I personally am not too fussed with the type of integration. A purely economic union, a Soviet Union, a Union State... as long as it beings benefits to all parties and is sustainable.. so not like the current EU then.

    As for what Russia can offer to the Belarussians - well the thing is that it's already offering everything, even at the expense of its own welfare.. Russians would be richer if we sold oil, gas, electricity, military hardware to Belarus at market prices, while banning food & dairy imports from the country until they stop reselling stuff from the EU. Of course Belarus wouldn't be able to afford it, nor its current level of social services and economic development if that were the case. But then we could just sell those commodities instead to somebody who could.
    I'm by no means saying that's what we should do, like I said I'm content with the current relationship that we have, and I'll be content with unification too. I'm just saying - their lives have already improved thanks to those same Moscow fat cats.
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    Re: Russia-Belarus Political and Economic Ties

    Post  Regular on Wed 06 Mar 2019, 22:18

    flamming_python wrote:
    Regular wrote:
    Same as Belarus has much better living standards than Russia. Wage gap doesn't matter when living costs are so much lower. Not to mention Belarus is much cleaner, safer country
    ...
    Russia simply has very little to offer to simple Belarusian. But maybe you can tell me how life would improve under rule of fat moscow cats? It's not Crimea.. Best for Russia would be to fix their own backyard before going for Belarus unification.

    A house divided is a house that falls.

    Either Russia pursues closer integration with it's ex-Soviet neighbours or sooner or later we and them will all be under someone's boot. Who won't offer nearly as favorable conditions.

    I don't think that Belarus would stand to gain by becoming another wanna-be member of the EU; being forced to shut-down its heavy industry as 'uncompetitive' and not green enough, cut its economic, defence & social ties to Russia, raise its heating/electricity/water bills for its population by ten-fold, be forced to import expensive LNG gas from America, raise the pension age to above the average life-expectancy, export its working age citizens for low-grade work and have its best and brightest permanently emigrate to Europe, have all its elite buy up mansions in the Alps, Brazil, French Riviera and repeat Brussels' talking points at every opportunity, introduce social-engineering campaigns, "LGBT-friendliness" and other privileges to select minorities... and make up some BS nationalist myths to feed to the population to justify it all.
    Yet w/o Russia that would be the only option available to it.
    And if they try to insist on their independence vis-a-vis the West without Russia to back them up then they'll be sanctioned to hell and then bombed.

    I personally am not too fussed with the type of integration. A purely economic union, a Soviet Union, a Union State... as long as it beings benefits to all parties and is sustainable.. so not like the current EU then.

    As for what Russia can offer to the Belarussians - well the thing is that it's already offering everything, even at the expense of its own welfare.. Russians would be richer if we sold oil, gas, electricity, military hardware to Belarus at market prices, while banning food & dairy imports from the country until they stop reselling stuff from the EU. Of course Belarus wouldn't be able to afford it, nor its current level of social services and economic development if that were the case. But then we could just sell those commodities instead to somebody who could.
    I'm by no means saying that's what we should do, like I said I'm content with the current relationship that we have, and I'll be content with unification too. I'm just saying - their lives have already improved thanks to those same Moscow fat cats.
    Very true about divided countries. And yes, Belarus is riding gravy train of Russian subsidies. But there's no need to change status quo. After Lukashenko Belarus might not fare that well. Not to mention that Russia gradually will become economically strong country with high levels of industry, scientific output and high living standards comparable to richest western countries while still retaining self rule, but Belarus so far has no certain future as politically and economically it's a house of cards. What I was referring was current state of Belarus in my peasant view- I am not sure how to explain it, but at the moment life is pretty good there. Why would simple people care about global affairs now and suddenly go in flames to unite with Russia? So far Luka seems to listen to his people  Reunifaction won't happen any time soon due too people living stable and comfy life while still enjoying things that most now capitalist russians feel nostalgic about Very Happy
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    Re: Russia-Belarus Political and Economic Ties

    Post  Nibiru on Thu 07 Mar 2019, 05:42

    This guy loves to flip flop. Thats all i can say. Rolling Eyes

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    Re: Russia-Belarus Political and Economic Ties

    Post  ATLASCUB on Fri 08 Mar 2019, 23:45

    The Union State should be just but a stepping stone into the complete eradication of the idea of such thing as a territory called Belarus and a "Belarussian" identity.

    Russia for Russians. To repeat the mistakes of the Soviets would be grade school disaster.
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    Re: Russia-Belarus Political and Economic Ties

    Post  Regular on Sun 10 Mar 2019, 22:23

    ATLASCUB wrote:The Union State should be just but a stepping stone into the complete eradication of the idea of such thing as a territory called Belarus and a "Belarussian" identity.

    Russia for Russians. To repeat the mistakes of the Soviets would be grade school disaster.
    Belarussians can be easily integrated, but as I've said- discord might rise due to living standards dropping due to Russia not being subsidised socialist heaven. Belarussians are not hotheaded people, but you don't want to anger them anyways.
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    Re: Russia-Belarus Political and Economic Ties

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Mon 18 Mar 2019, 06:58

    More stupidity from the Belorusians, the current regime looks more and more like the Yanokovich regime formely in 404:

    In Minsk, the ambassador of the Russian Federation was called the "bookkeeper" and accused of contempt

    A spokesman for the Belarusian Foreign Ministry, Anatoly Glaz, accused Russian Ambassador Mikhail Babich of disrespecting Belarusians and ignorance of the realities of the host country. The words of the representative of the Foreign Ministry published on the official website of the Ministry.



    RIA Novosti has asked the press secretary to comment on the interview given by Babich to the agency for the development of Belarusian-Russian relations.

    I would like to recommend (the ambassador) to devote time to delve into the specifics of the host country, get acquainted with its history and show some respect

    - said Anatoly Glaz, noting that such a style of work sometimes gives much better results than the role of “public diplomacy” uncharacteristic of the Russian diplomatic school.

    According to him, the relations between Moscow and Minsk are deeper than the "tweaked dial-up of numbers, which the Russian ambassador regularly grabs".

    However, it is his right to determine for himself the bar, which turns him into a bookkeeper or a budding accountant.

    - said a spokesman.

    He added that Babich apparently did not understand the difference between the federal district and the independent state. According to Glaz, a more detailed response to the statement of the Russian ambassador will be given soon.

    Recall, in his interview, Babich, in particular, pointed out the tough position of Moscow on the development of the further integration of the two countries. He also stated that it would be strange to pay Minsk for the deployment of Russian military facilities in Belarus. In addition, the ambassador demonstrated examples with figures that the increase in Belarus’s trade turnover with the EU is achieved through the supply of petroleum products produced from Russian oil.


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