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    Re: Aircraft Carrier Admiral Kuznetsov: News

    Post  JohninMK on Sat Oct 22, 2016 1:05 pm

    A bit OT but just to show she is not alone in the smokey stakes. Now this looks like a really knackered engine, USS Freedom, incidently one of their much hyped Literal Combat Ships and only8 years old.

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    Re: Aircraft Carrier Admiral Kuznetsov: News

    Post  medo on Sat Oct 22, 2016 3:36 pm

    Giulio wrote:
    medo wrote:

    Looks like Kuznetsov have not modernized Su-33 fighters with Gefest SVP-24.

    Afaik SVP-24 is a black boxes system in the aircraft, not an external pod. Wingtips pods in the Su-33s or Su-34s are, I think, movable RWR/ECM "Sorbitzia" systems.

    Point is, that b/n 76 and 62 were not between those modernized with SVP-24 in Zhukovsky.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Oct 22, 2016 4:27 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:.............

    Smoke isn't a problem but the propulsion system is, it does need to be replaced.

    I would just go with a diesel engine, like I said doubt they will go Nuclear with this thing.

    For this particular ship Nuclear power would provide it no real use nothing diesel couldn't anyway.


    We are really wasting time with all the smoke discussion. It does not look pretty and engines are not really perfect but I am sure RU Navy is more than aware of it.

    The thing is this ship was already on it's way to dock for total overhaul, engines included. It was pulled out at last second precisely so it would take opportunity to participate in this little Syrian get together. Six months from now it will be off to dockyard for several years.

    Crowd on the internet can use this opportunity to have some laughs. I don't really see the problem. They laughed at other stuff before. And just like then they won't be laughing once this thing starts raining down fiery death on rodents in Syria.
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    Re: Aircraft Carrier Admiral Kuznetsov: News

    Post  Big_Gazza on Sat Oct 22, 2016 6:07 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    Smoke isn't a problem but the propulsion system is, it does need to be replaced.

    I would just go with a diesel engine, like I said doubt they will go Nuclear with this thing.

    For this particular ship Nuclear power would provide it no real use nothing diesel couldn't anyway.

    Nah, there is nothing wrong with steam propulsion. The K just needs efficient & reliable boilers and a full refurb on her turbines. The powerplant of the Vikramaditiya is an example of how the K should look after her planned upgrade. She runs virtually smoke free.
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    Post  storm333 on Sun Oct 23, 2016 4:48 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    Smoke isn't a problem but the propulsion system is, it does need to be replaced.

    I would just go with a diesel engine, like I said doubt they will go Nuclear with this thing.

    For this particular ship Nuclear power would provide it no real use nothing diesel couldn't anyway.

    Nah, there is nothing wrong with steam propulsion.  The K just needs efficient & reliable boilers and a full refurb on her turbines.  The powerplant of the Vikramaditiya is an example of how the K should look after her planned upgrade. She runs virtually smoke free.

    The black smoke indicates that there is a problem with the boiler.
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    Post  Militarov on Sun Oct 23, 2016 5:25 am

    There is no question about it that Kuz has certain issues with its boilers, most likely its not managing to burn oil efficent enough (too low temperatures i presume) which leads to this... coal burning like pillar of smoke.

    However beside issues with boilers, it seems K had issues with its "transmission" so to call it too. All of this will require major overhauls of the system or its complete replacement.. however... i dont see diesels coming into play. Mostly coz Russia atm does not have so big diesels on its disposal.
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    Post  Airman on Sun Oct 23, 2016 12:17 pm

    JohninMK wrote:They really need to do something with that engine.




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    Re: Aircraft Carrier Admiral Kuznetsov: News

    Post  Giulio on Sun Oct 23, 2016 8:06 pm

    The engine is not the only system to smoke on board, there are also, e.g. the generators and maybe others systems whose pipes end in the funnel.
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    Post  KiloGolf on Mon Oct 24, 2016 5:53 pm

    The whole ship and its air group is a messy, 3.5 decade-long work-in-progress.
    But it will do for now, it's all they got. unshaven
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    Post  Militarov on Mon Oct 24, 2016 10:43 pm

    Giulio wrote:The engine is not the only system to smoke on board, there are also, e.g. the generators and maybe others systems whose pipes end in the funnel.

    Nothing else can produce that amount of smoke, auxilary genererators are diesels and i think their exausts are probably on sides, and are quite small compared to boilers.
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    Re: Aircraft Carrier Admiral Kuznetsov: News

    Post  Militarov on Tue Oct 25, 2016 10:17 am



    Well i must admit i laughed Very Happy

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    Post  JohninMK on Tue Oct 25, 2016 6:03 pm

    Now halfway down the Portuguese coast. Could be in the Med tomorrow. Clearly they have turned the smoke generator down, no need to pretend to the world that she is on her last legs whilst way out at sea.

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    Post  Isos on Tue Oct 25, 2016 7:26 pm

    What are the spécifications of the AESA radar on it ? Was it here from the bigining or is it an upgrade ?
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    Post  Isos on Wed Oct 26, 2016 1:15 am

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    Post  KiloGolf on Wed Oct 26, 2016 2:28 am

    Isos wrote:

    That's not the Kuz. It's the Gorshkov which they sold to the Indians (sadly).

    Militarov wrote:

    Well i must admit i laughed Very Happy

    Good Lord lol1
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    Post  Militarov on Wed Oct 26, 2016 2:59 am

    KiloGolf wrote:

    Good Lord lol1



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    Post  OminousSpudd on Wed Oct 26, 2016 4:51 am

    Militarov wrote:
    KiloGolf wrote:

    Good Lord lol1



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    Re: Aircraft Carrier Admiral Kuznetsov: News

    Post  hoom on Wed Oct 26, 2016 5:59 am

    What are the spécifications of the AESA radar on it ? Was it here from the bigining or is it an upgrade ?
    From the start, it's a PESA called Mars-Passat.
    Apparently never actually worked properly, 'antennas' are supposedly slabs of concrete, though in that case I'd have thought they'd have removed them by now & put Boletus or something instead.
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    Re: Aircraft Carrier Admiral Kuznetsov: News

    Post  hoom on Thu Oct 27, 2016 3:03 am

    Bit of roll off Portugul

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    Re: Aircraft Carrier Admiral Kuznetsov: News

    Post  JohninMK on Fri Oct 28, 2016 11:51 pm

    I thought they were going slowly to Syria but didn't expect this

    Michael J Sanchez ‏@key2med 9h9 hours ago Gibraltar

    Kuznetsov battle group will be conducting exercises off the East Algeria Coast as from 3/11


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    Post  par far on Sat Oct 29, 2016 12:09 am

    JohninMK wrote:I thought they were going slowly to Syria but didn't expect this

    Michael J Sanchez ‏@key2med 9h9 hours ago Gibraltar

    Kuznetsov battle group will be conducting exercises off the East Algeria Coast as from 3/11



    This is very interesting, I wonder, what the reason could be, could this be one of the reasons:

    "Saudi, Qatar seek to recruit Algeria in Yemen".


    http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2016/10/28/491022/Saudi-Arabia-Qatar-Algeria-Yemen


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    Post  KiloGolf on Sun Oct 30, 2016 3:38 am

    Interesting. The presence of four Ka-29s is news to me.

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    Post  KiloGolf on Mon Oct 31, 2016 1:48 am

    The tug Nikolay Chiker is passing through the straits of Sicily right now.
    It's safe to assume the Kuz and its task force are nearby.



    http://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/shipid:4404011/zoom:9
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    Post  medo on Mon Oct 31, 2016 10:52 am

    I find this air group on Kuznetsov Quite interesting. There are 14 fighter jets and 18 helicopters. Strike group will be consisted by 8 Su-33 upgraded by Gefest and 4 MiG-29K/KUB. 2 more Su-33 will be for air protection. I wonder, why they send only 1 MiG-29KUB. They should send more of them as they could play a role of air command post for strike group like Su-30SM and Su-34 do for Su-25SM and Su-24M with Gefest. MiG-29KUB have multirole radar and IRST and the second pilot could work with coordination and target delivery for the rest, specially for Su-33 fighters. Most probably this job over Syria Will be done by Su-30SM and Su-34 for naval group as well.

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    Post  JohninMK on Mon Oct 31, 2016 11:37 am

    medo wrote:I find this air group on Kuznetsov Quite interesting. There are 14 fighter jets and 18 helicopters. Strike group will be consisted by 8 Su-33 upgraded by Gefest and 4 MiG-29K/KUB. 2 more Su-33 will be for air protection. I wonder, why they send only 1 MiG-29KUB. They should send more of them as they could play a role of air command post for strike group like Su-30SM and Su-34 do for Su-25SM and Su-24M with Gefest. MiG-29KUB have multirole radar and IRST and the second pilot could work with coordination and target delivery for the rest, specially for Su-33 fighters. Most probably this job over Syria Will be done by Su-30SM and Su-34 for naval group as well.
    It is probable that a valuable part of the 'training' element of this deployment will be, as you say, the interworking of the Naval and RuAF elements under operational conditions.

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