Project 21631: Buyan-M missile ship

Krepost wrote:Grayvoron, Ingushetia and Orekhovo-Zuevo at Sevastopol (early December)

Same place (Sevastopol) a week later. It has snowed in Crimea.
GRAYVORON has left.
The other two are still there.



BORA is also there:

Had read earlier that the repairs were to be complete and the Bora was to return to service by the years end. Perhaps this has happened already

franco wrote:Had read earlier that the repairs were to be complete and the Bora was to return to service by the years end. Perhaps this has happened already

I am reading the Bort number as 615 (I think) so it must be the BORA.
Unless I am reading it wrong and it is 616 which is the Bort number of SAMUM.

Would not be 6 ships, of which 4 built in Iran, with PanzirM not something for Iran and the Persichen Golf?

The way to the water: RTO "Naro-Fominsk" will be sent to the Baltic

The ship will join the Navy before the end of the year

The Baltic Fleet is waiting for a missile boost. By the end of the year, it will include the newest small rocket ship (MRK) "Naro-Fominsk" of project 21631 "Buyan-M". In his arsenal - cruise missiles "Caliber" and supersonic "Onyx". The ship will be launched in the first half of the year, after which its testing will begin. The RTO crew has already been formed and a base in Baltiysk has been prepared. Despite their small size, the Buyans can be called one of the most dangerous in the Baltic: they are capable of hitting ships and ground targets at a distance of thousands of kilometers. Experts warn that the military-political confrontation between Russia and NATO in the Baltic region will not end soon, and the strengthening of the Navy will become an additional deterrent.

The Baltic is waiting

As sources in the military department told Izvestia, a decision has already been made to include the new Naro-Fominsk RTO in the Baltic Fleet. Options for transferring the ship to the Black Sea Fleet or the Caspian Flotilla were discussed, but in the end the choice was made in favor of the Baltic Fleet. A crew has already been formed for the new ship, and all the necessary infrastructure has been prepared for it at the naval base in Baltiysk - in particular, a berthing area has been built and equipped.

According to sources, while the ship is at the shipyard in Zelenodolsk and will be launched in the first half of the year. Usually the ships are handed over to the Navy on the eve of the new year, but the Naro-Fominsk may be an exception. It is expected that it will be handed over to the fleet ahead of schedule - this fall. The technology for manufacturing RTOs of project 21631 has been worked out, and there are no visible reasons for the delay in the construction of Naro-Fominsk.

Today, the Navy has nine Buyanov-Ms, which are part of the Baltic and Black Sea Fleets and the Caspian Flotilla. Three more Project 21631 ships are being built under an additional contract. "Naro-Fominsk" became the second RTO laid down under this agreement between the Ministry of Defense and JSC Zelenodolsk Plant named after A.M. Gorky". According to Deputy Prime Minister Yury Borisov, the value of the contract is 27 billion rubles.

NATO countries are now building up their forces in the Baltic region, and they are not going to leave from there, Inna Vetrenko, head of the department of management and social technologies at the North-Western Institute of the RANEPA, explained to Izvestia.

“ There has been a tense situation there in recent years,” she reminded. - In the context of the escalation of the confrontation between Russia and the United States and NATO countries, it will not become calmer there. The region is considered to be our weak point and strong pressure is exerted in this area. First of all, this applies to the Kaliningrad region . Politicians from a number of EU countries say that it allegedly does not rightfully belong to Russia. Now the situation is only getting worse. Russia needs to increase its military forces there, and the appearance of new ships will not be superfluous.

RTOs are perfect for operations in coastal seas - the Baltic Sea is one of them, military expert Dmitry Boltenkov told Izvestia.

“Buyan-M is a universal platform with eight launchers for cruise missiles,” he specified. - After reloading, the salvo can be repeated. "Buyans" capable of striking both sea and land targets. In the event of an aggravation of the situation, these ships will have to disperse, and during the outbreak of hostilities they will deliver ultra-precise strikes against important targets, including those deep in enemy territory. These may be military, naval bases, airfields or other facilities. Thus, Buyany-M should become an additional deterrent.

The Baltic Fleet now includes two RTOs of this project - Zeleny Dol and Serpukhov. Both ships have proven themselves well, recalled Dmitry Boltenkov.

Initially, the Buyans-M were developed for the protection and protection of the coastal marine zone, as well as for operations on large rivers and lakes. But the launches of Caliber from the waters of the Caspian and Mediterranean seas against terrorist targets in Syria have demonstrated their ability to deliver ultra-precise missile strikes at a distance of about 1.5 thousand km.

The first rocket launches of Buyanov-M in the fall of 2015 became a worldwide sensation. For the Western media, the shock capabilities of the "kids" came as a surprise.

In 2016, Buyany-M again surprised the Western "partners". The journey around Europe from the Baltic to the Mediterranean Sea of ​​two Buyanov-Ms - Serpukhov and Zeleny Dol - made a lot of noise. Representatives of the European media did not expect to see carriers of long-range Caliber cruise missiles off their coasts.

These ships were built using modern technologies. "Kids" received futuristic broken contours that make them hardly noticeable to radar stations. Their small size allows them to hide in sea skerries, in channels and along the banks of rivers and lakes, as well as to covertly approach enemy ships and coasts.

"Buyany-M" carry on board supersonic anti-ship missiles "Onyx" with a warhead weighing 300 kg. The missile can strike not only at ships, but also at ground targets with predetermined coordinates at a distance of up to 500 km. The Kalibr cruise missiles are armed with a high-explosive penetrating warhead weighing up to 450 kg, with a firing range of about 1,500 km. Izvestia has already written that in the future RTOs should be armed with a miniature version of the Zircon hypersonic missile.

They also have a 100mm A-190 gun mount on board. From the air, the ship is covered by the AK-630M-2 Duet 30-mm anti-aircraft artillery system and the Gibka launchers for the Igla or Verba anti-aircraft missiles.

RTOs are included in the reconnaissance-strike and reconnaissance-fire circuits. This made the Buyany-M universal strike platforms capable of operating in close conjunction with the Aerospace Forces and ground forces.

The Navy is now being actively strengthened. "Izvestia" wrote that the Ministry of Defense agreed on a plan for the modernization of the unique ship of the Northern Fleet "Admiral Chabanenko". Since the early 1990s, it has been one of the most powerful representatives of the country's Navy. After the upgrade, it will be equipped with Caliber cruise missiles, hypersonic Zircons and Kh-35 torpedo missiles.

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100mm gun ammunition loading on Makhachkala (Buyan class, not Buyan-M)

Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E wrote:Would not be 6 ships, of which 4 built in Iran, with PanzirM not something for Iran and the Persichen Golf?

Or wouldn't this be a good addition to the Black Sea and the Baltic Sea? The river Hub too short for this?

Why not extend the ship by 8m and incorporate Torm2 and expand the VLS by 4 cells (including 2 anti -ship missiles)?

Such a Buyan-M2 version would also be well suited as a small accompanying body.

There was a plan for more ships and BMPD wrote about it in 2019, so we have to wait .....

Plans to continue the construction of modernized small missile ships of project 21631

According to the Zvezda TV channel, speaking at the launching ceremony on June 11, 2019 in Zelenodolsk (Republic of Tatarstan) at JSC Zelenodolsk Plant named after A.M. Gorky, the eighth of a series of small missile ship of project 21631 (code "Buyan-M") "Ingushetia" being built there, Rear Admiral Vladimir Tryapichnikov, head of the shipbuilding department of the Russian Navy, expressed the hope that in 2024 the construction of modernized ships of project 21631 will begin.

According to Tryapichnikov, the upgraded Project 21631 ships will receive an increased ammunition load.

“While studies are underway ... I hope that from 2024 we will do everything to launch a modernized ship of this series,” said Tryapichnikov.

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There was also this info from August 27.2020.
ТАSS;

The missile ships of the Buyan-M and Gepard projects will receive an increase in the ammunition load of the Caliber
According to the head of the Ak Bars corporation, Renat Mistakhov, the hulls of the ships will remain practically the same, with the exception of the increased displacement

MOSCOW, 27 August. /TASS/. Project 21631 Buyan-M small missile ships and project 11661 Gepard patrol ships will receive an increased ammunition load of Caliber cruise missiles during the modernization, the Navy is interested in this project. This was announced in an interview with TASS by the head of the Ak Bars shipbuilding corporation Renat Mistakhov.

"We proposed a concept for two projects 21631 and 11661 with an increase in displacement. On the Buyans, for example, we proposed to put 16 launchers instead of 8. And on the Gepards, we proposed to expand the missile weapons to 24 launchers," Mistakhov said.
As a result, each project will add one more universal shipborne rifle complex with vertical shafts for launching cruise missiles.

"In particular, at 11661 we proposed to put two UKKS with eight cells behind the navigation bridge, in the middle of the ship's hull and one more UKKS will stand in the bow. This proposal was very interested in the Navy," the head of Ak Bars specified.
At the same time, the hulls of the ships will remain practically the same, with the exception of the increased displacement. "We propose to take as a basis the hull that has proven itself, including in combat conditions, because the successful hull of a ship is seaworthiness," Mistakhov said.

"This will, of course, pull the displacement along with it. If we take a small missile ship, its displacement with an additional UKKS will increase from 900 to approximately 1300-1500 tons. If we take on the basis of project 11661, then it is possible to put three UKKS on its displacement even now, " - explained the interlocutor.

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GarryB wrote:

Yeah, and what the Sosna is?

It is a laser beam riding replacement for the SA-9 and SA-13 type SAMs... it has also been called Pine.

Related to the naval Palma missile system which is a cheaper lighter version of Kashtan.

It is a two stage SAM but it uses laser beam riding guidance instead of command guidance... both types of guidance are cheap and simple and easy to mass produce.

A less expensive substitute for Tor and Pancyr, with passive guidance.

The systems are cheaper... TOR has a capable and expensive 3D search radar and phased array tracking radar and modern EOs, and Pantsir also has expensive sensors including search and tracking radars as well as modern EO devices.

SOSNA and Palma seems to be EO only.

The difference in price of command guided and laser beam riding missiles would not be immense as both are very affordable compared with IIR or ARH or other seeker combination options.

That makes it a perfect anti drone piece, the only shortage was a low maximal altitude of 9M340 - 5km. But I don't buy that official number anyway, as the missile has energy potential to do much, much better.

The Kornet-EM is a laser beam riding missile and in the HE equipped model has a flight range of 10km and an effective altitude of 10km, so I would think a two stage SOSNA-R missile should be able to do better than 5km altitude.

There was a news report that they were expanding its performance to reach 20km range targets, and that was delaying its service entry... but I would think a combination launcher that could carry Kornet and Sosna and Bulat which is essentially a mini Kornet would be rather interesting. The high speed of SOSNA would make it effective against a range of air targets including helicopters but also faster aircraft like light attack aircraft an low flying fighters, while against drones I would think Bulat with a HE warhead would be cheapest... even though we don't know a lot about it yet.

Mount one of those anti drone lasers on the vehicle and you would have an excellent AA vehicle package.

So I suppose it is an engagement algorithm the first to blame here, and that can be easily replaced, along with a more powerful first stage.

The range of the SA-19 went from 8km to 10km and the SA-22 from 10km to 20km and now 40km for the latest variant two stage missile and the core of the upgrades seems to be more energetic solid rocket boosters, so I would think extending the range to 20km would also allow an altitude improvement too to get higher flying threats.

This conflict i the Ukraine is a good boost for Russian air defence systems and tactics... this will be valuable if they get time to make the needed changes and introduce new lines of development.

The missile ships of the Buyan-M and Gepard projects will receive an increase in the ammunition load of the Caliber

This is good because the UKSK launchers carry more than just calibre, they seem to be developing a range of weapons and equipment that can be carried and launched from them which is going to make these ships more versatile and capable.

Right now they could carry Otvet anti sub ballistic rocket delivered torpedoes, but it could just as easily be an underwater drone it delivers that lands in the water 50km away and starts active sonar pinging looking for enemy subs to reveal their presence or attract enemy subs from the area to focus on that area instead of where the ship is.

Equally at tube could carry a Zircon or Onyx or 2,500km range land attack cruise missile or soon enough a 4,500km range land attack cruise missile...  amazing potential for such a small vessel.

I think that with the increase of the combat set to two UKSK and thus full displacement, more powerful engines must come. I think that Russia will solve the problem of delivering engines on time in the next two to 3 years.


Variant 1. The ideal "small missile ship" would be with the following weapons; at least two eight-barrel UKSK, one 12-barrel air defense system (equivalent to S-350), or instead two Pancir-M, as well as two four-barrel Paket-NK.

Variant 2. However, there was a story that in addition to eight-barrel UKSK, it is necessary to make variants with four-barrel or six-barrel UKSK.
With two six-barrel UKSK launchers (12 missiles in total), the ship's impact capacity would be increased by 50%, but there would be no drastic increase in the ship displacement.

Variant 3. Perhaps a variant with one UKSK (8 rockets), two Pancir-M and two four-barrel Paket-NK would be enough. However, this variant is not an option, because the text talks about a larger quantity of "Kalibr" missiles.

What I would definitely add during the modernization is the Paket-NK, but with the installation of a more serious air defense system (which should be installed with two UKSK and Paket-NK), it inevitably means an increase in displacement and requires more powerful engines.

Just for the sake of clarity Sosna (Сосна) in Russian means Pine. Sometimes they translate the name, other times they don't.

GarryB wrote:My understanding of the UKSK launcher is that it is fully modular and a single launcher is made of two components each carrying four tubes... so the options would be four or eight missiles but not six.

The interesting thing about Paket is that it is only a 324mm calibre weapon so they could in theory pack four into each UKSK launch tube... not sure how long they are but they weigh less than 400kgs each so they might be able to fit two layers deep meaning 8 missiles per UKSK tube, but they would need a small ejector rocket to launch them out and send them on the correct bearing for the target... you would want it to splash down not a huge distance from your ship... 100-500m preferably and to then head out in the direction of the target under its own power.

CHARACTERISTICS:
Caliber, mm: 324
Length, mm: 3200
Weight, kg, max: 390
Mass of explosive, kg, up to: 60
Travel range, km, up to: 20
Speed, knots: • I mode: 50 • II mode : 30
Depth, m, up to: 600
Range of action of the homing system, km, up to:
• depth over 200 m: 2.5
• depth up to 200 m: 1.2
Engine type: axial piston
• Number of modes: 2
• Power*, W: 60 -110 (I mode) 38 (II mode)
• Speed ​​output. shafts*, rpm: 2000-2400 (I mode) 1700 (II mode)
• Engine weight*, kg: 12 — 28
• Power plant weight*, kg: 1445
• Engine dimensions*, mm: (149-120) *(260-280)
• Dimensions of power plant*, mm: 324*450
• Specific engine power*, KW/kg: 4.8 – 3.9
• Specific power of forces/plant*, kW/kg: 2.2
• Depth of torpedo travel, m: 6 - 800
• Type of fuel: Unitary mono-fuel with t combustion 1400 Celsius

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ALAMO wrote:

GarryB wrote:What they are doing at the moment I understand is extending the flight range of SOSNA-R to 20km... it is a cheap laser beam riding missile that is rather high speed but quite small and light.

Yeah, and what the Sosna is?
A less expensive substitute for Tor and Pancyr, with passive guidance.
We should not be fooled by its small size, it is a quite lethal piece.
Warhead is bigger than MANPADS are using, and I mean much bigger - 7 kg. That allowed implementation of a fragmentation rod warhead, combined with a proximity fuse. That makes it a perfect anti drone piece, the only shortage was a low maximal altitude of 9M340 - 5km. But I don't buy that official number anyway, as the missile has energy potential to do much, much better. So I suppose it is an engagement algorithm the first to blame here, and that can be easily replaced, along with a more powerful first stage.

This would be OK for self -protection. Although I am that boat with a Panzir would be better.

However, I am also concerned with the ability of fleet protection. For the Black Sea or the Mediterranean, I see 2x8 TORM2U than better protection. Especially since the AK630 would continue to be there, only placed further on the side next to the bridge and slightly protected on the sides.

These ships are sure to have the start record for Kalibr, right?