“Today, at 10:55 a.m., Zelyony Dol and Serpukhov small-sized missile ships of the Black Sea Fleet carried out three launches of sea-based Kalibr cruise missiles on al-Nusra Front targets in Syria from the eastern part of the Mediterranean Sea during combat maneuvering,” the ministry said.
I see 2 launches there, I guess the 3rd from the other ship? Rebels reported 3* 'Tochka' hits.
Looks like a hot launch, I thought UKSK used soft launch? Really brings home how big the missiles are compared to the ship
Looks like a hot launch, I thought UKSK used soft launch? Really brings home how big the missiles are compared to the ship
Yup, when it comes to firepower-per-ton no other non-nuclear vessel comes even close to these bad boys. And those cruise missile launchers run entire height of the ship.
But this is nothing compared to what 22800 Karakurts will be. They will be packing same UKSK launcher but will be 150 tons lighter and 14 meters shorter. Glorious madness!!!
Black Sea fleet ships now also launch cruise missiles on ground targets, not only Caspian fleet. And again it is done by Buyan-M ships, which is now proven LACM corvette. Now only Grigorovich frigate need to launch cruise missiles as Dagestan frigate launch its missiles too. I think NATO have now quite bad feeling about those small Buyan-M LACM corvettes in Mediterranean sea, specially as they could carry nuclear armed cruise missiles.
medo wrote:Black Sea fleet ships now also launch cruise missiles on ground targets, not only Caspian fleet. And again it is done by Buyan-M ships, which is now proven LACM corvette. Now only Grigorovich frigate need to launch cruise missiles as Dagestan frigate launch its missiles too. I think NATO have now quite bad feeling about those small Buyan-M LACM corvettes in Mediterranean sea, specially as they could carry nuclear armed cruise missiles.
With the amount of Buyans and Karakurts that will be coming on line soon I don't think that there is a need for Grigorovich (or any other frigate for that matter) to carry land attack cruise missiles anymore. They can comfortably focus solely on anti ship role and be fully equipped with Onix missiles.
Although they could use this opportunity to fire couple of them just for brag rights.
medo wrote:Black Sea fleet ships now also launch cruise missiles on ground targets, not only Caspian fleet. And again it is done by Buyan-M ships, which is now proven LACM corvette. Now only Grigorovich frigate need to launch cruise missiles as Dagestan frigate launch its missiles too. I think NATO have now quite bad feeling about those small Buyan-M LACM corvettes in Mediterranean sea, specially as they could carry nuclear armed cruise missiles.
With the amount of Buyans and Karakurts that will be coming on line soon I don't think that there is a need for Grigorovich (or any other frigate for that matter) to carry land attack cruise missiles anymore. They can comfortably focus solely on anti ship role and be fully equipped with Onix missiles.
Although they could use this opportunity to fire couple of them just for brag rights.
Actually, it will be still good for Grigorovich frigates and 22160 patrol ships to carry some LACMs as they are better suited for blue water long time patroling than Buyans and Karakurts, which could than stay mostly in Black sea. Constant presence of Grigorovich frigate or 22160 patrol ship in Mediterranian sea armed with LACMs will keep whole Europe in check.
Actually, it will be still good for Grigorovich frigates and 22160 patrol ships to carry some LACMs as they are better suited for blue water long time patroling than Buyans and Karakurts, which could than stay mostly in Black sea. Constant presence of Grigorovich frigate or 22160 patrol ship in Mediterranian sea armed with LACMs will keep whole Europe in check.
22160 Patrol ships should and will carry LACMs. But Grigorovich and other frigates not so much.
Reason is that, unlike Buyans, Karakurts are fully capable blue water vessels that are also pretty fast as well. They are relatively easy to build, don't cost too much and will be built in large numbers as well. Their endurance is still 14 days but that is easily solved with one supply vessel.
In fact first five Karakurts built by Pella will be going to North Fleet. Those are some rough seas.
So, Patrol Ships and Buyans- LACMs
Karakurts- LACMs (and even some AShM if needed depending on environment)
Corvettes, Frigates and everything else- AShM.
Lider destroyers are different story, they will be big enough to carry literally everything.
Apparently there has been a contract for another 3* signed http://flotprom.ru/2016/%D0%A4%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%83%D0%BC%D0%90%D1%80%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%8F107/
On Wednesday, 7 September, at the international military technical forum "Army 2016" signed a contract for the construction of small missile ships 21631. ... The sixth ship of the series "Vishny Volochek" Navy will receive in 2017. After that Tatarstan will build a series of three more "Buyan-M".
A batch for the Baltic perhaps? Or more filling out for the BSF?
hoom wrote:Apparently there has been a contract for another 3* signed http://flotprom.ru/2016/%D0%A4%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%83%D0%BC%D0%90%D1%80%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%8F107/
On Wednesday, 7 September, at the international military technical forum "Army 2016" signed a contract for the construction of small missile ships 21631. ... The sixth ship of the series "Vishny Volochek" Navy will receive in 2017. After that Tatarstan will build a series of three more "Buyan-M".
A batch for the Baltic perhaps? Or more filling out for the BSF?
Most probably for Caspian fleet, which was supposed to receive 6 Buyan-M corvettes from the beggining.
hoom wrote:Apparently there has been a contract for another 3* signed http://flotprom.ru/2016/%D0%A4%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%83%D0%BC%D0%90%D1%80%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%8F107/
On Wednesday, 7 September, at the international military technical forum "Army 2016" signed a contract for the construction of small missile ships 21631. ... The sixth ship of the series "Vishny Volochek" Navy will receive in 2017. After that Tatarstan will build a series of three more "Buyan-M".
A batch for the Baltic perhaps? Or more filling out for the BSF?
I'm not sure if new but could be just the official signing of a planned purchase. There were 9 planned Buyan-M.
hoom wrote:Apparently there has been a contract for another 3* signed http://flotprom.ru/2016/%D0%A4%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%83%D0%BC%D0%90%D1%80%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%8F107/
On Wednesday, 7 September, at the international military technical forum "Army 2016" signed a contract for the construction of small missile ships 21631. ... The sixth ship of the series "Vishny Volochek" Navy will receive in 2017. After that Tatarstan will build a series of three more "Buyan-M".
A batch for the Baltic perhaps? Or more filling out for the BSF?
I'm not sure if new but could be just the official signing of a planned purchase. There were 9 planned Buyan-M.
Was 12 actually. Unless they cut the order down to 9.
Would it be an option to deliver these three new Buyans to Caspian fleet and then transfer two Gepard class frigates from Caspian to Black Sea fleet?
It's not like there are fleets of enemy warships in Caspian for them to fight and even if some surface vessels do show up there are plenty of Tarantuls over there to handle it.
PapaDragon wrote: Would it be an option to deliver these three new Buyans to Caspian fleet and then transfer two Gepard class frigates from Caspian to Black Sea fleet?
It's not like there are fleets of enemy warships in Caspian for them to fight and even if some surface vessels do show up there are plenty of Tarantuls over there to handle it.
whats the point? Buyan-M class are armed with Kalibr systems, Gepard only with Kh-35, Only Dagestan has Kalibr
George1 wrote: whats the point? Buyan-M class are armed with Kalibr systems, Gepard only with Kh-35, Only Dagestan has Kalibr
there is very high probability that Anti ship version of Kalibr missile already exist and that it can be installed onto Buyan M as well as Gepard class. If we haven't seen 3M-54 anti ship version in action on youtube, that doesn't necessary mean that it does not exist or it is not planed at all.
I also think that Gepard class is ideal for Black Sea fleet...
PapaDragon wrote: Would it be an option to deliver these three new Buyans to Caspian fleet and then transfer two Gepard class frigates from Caspian to Black Sea fleet?
It's not like there are fleets of enemy warships in Caspian for them to fight and even if some surface vessels do show up there are plenty of Tarantuls over there to handle it.
whats the point? Buyan-M class are armed with Kalibr systems, Gepard only with Kh-35, Only Dagestan has Kalibr
Well whole point is that they should have anti ship missiles. Kalibrs are great but BSF needs some anti ship and anti sub hardware as well.
Tatarstan does not have Kalibr launchers but it can be upgraded like Dagestan. And Oniks missiles can be loaded into Kalibr launchers. So you have two frigates with 8 supersonic AShMs and 8 subsonic ones. And they have 4 torpedo tubes each.
Land attack missile platforms will not be in short supply since there will be 6 Buyans for Black Sea Fleet and Karakurts are practically going into mass production.
If they move Gepards to BSF they will have 5 new frigates overall (3 Grigorevich + 2 Gepards), 6 Missile ships (Buyan-Ms) 6 submarines (Kilo subs) and as many Karakurts and Offshore Patrol Vessels that they will get.
Those will be decent numbers and more than enough to keep Black Sea Fleet in good condition until rest of Grigorevich and later Gorshkov frigates start coming along.
Caspian Fleet can handle anything with those 3 extra Buyans to fill in for Gepards who are not doing much there anyway that Buyans can't cope with.
Also, I am loving the fresh paintjob on Caspian Fleet ships. It really makes those Soviet era ships look pretty.
Question: are those Uran missile launchers on that Grisha corvette at 1:30?
I don't think there is much point putting the Gepards in BSF, they don't really have much of anti-air: Tatarstan has an Osa, Dagestan a Palma. I think I'd take the Buyan-Ms for BSF: maximised UKSK & unified logistics.
Saw suggestion these may be ice strengthened, which I understand would not be useful for Caspian, maybe for BSF.
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