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    Re: Russia, US and other developments in Hypersonic Research

    Post  GarryB on Sat May 14, 2016 12:23 pm

    do you think in future when railguns arrive on ship they can successfully shoot down supersonic or hypersonic ASMs ? Because they go hypersonic too plus Zumwalt like ship having 78-megawatt array of turbine generators. So, firing a rail gun once would take almost a third of the most advanced ship's whole capacity.

    During WWII large anti aircraft guns took thousands of shots per hit to kill an aircraft... I don't think railguns will be that much better... whatever guides the shells can be spoofed or confused.

    and what is matter also is the difference in weight between the scramjet and the glider ..... a smaller glider means more velocity

    That is like saying a motor car is lighter if you take the engine out so a motor car with no engine should be faster than one without...

    think in terms of aircraft... use an engine to climb up to high altitude and then drop the engine and glide back down.

    a glider can maneuver too....think that that is done via mechanic moving of wings ..... and is not need a huge mechanic to move the glider ....think you can use two smaller pairs of wings to turn ....with no fuel consumtion
    also you told me about the fact that at turn a missile burn alot of fuel. not at low G. think that the speed can be slow and make the turn then remake the high speed

    You are confusing a glider, a powered aircraft, and a rocket...

    A glider has height that it can turn into speed by diving and converting height directly into speed... it would be no good for climbing except very short climbs.

    A scramjet powered aircraft can turn and manouver and burn fuel efficiently.

    A rocket burns at a set rate until all the fuel is gone.

    Very simply a rocket will rapidly reach max velocity and will not go any faster than that and will burn fuel at the maximum rate until it is all gone.

    A scramjet powered aircraft can increase its throttle setting to the point where it stops accelerating. You could use full throttle but find that the altitude and aircraft shape means it wont go faster than mach 7 whether you have full throttle or 3/4ths throttle. A rocket will be full throttle all the time so that extra thrust and extra fuel burnt is wasted.

    The Scramjet can run at 75% throttle and therefore burn for 25% longer so it wont go faster than a rocket powered missile... it will operate for longer.

    Either way when the engine has burned all its fuel it will fall away and the remaining weapon will fall down and hit the target at a fairly steep angle... because it will be falling pulling hard manouvers on the way down wont reduce speed too much.


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    Re: Russia, US and other developments in Hypersonic Research

    Post  Werewolf on Sat May 14, 2016 2:16 pm

    During WWII large anti aircraft guns took thousands of shots per hit to kill an aircraft... I don't think railguns will be that much better... whatever guides the shells can be spoofed or confused.

    A railgun firing guided ammunition? The induced magnetic field will probably damage whatever electronic of the guided warhead is mounted onto the shell anyway. Guided Railgun ammunition has to be proven first like railguns being useful on battlefield bythemselfs have to be proven.

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    Post  Teshub on Sun May 15, 2016 12:01 am

    Werewolf wrote:A railgun firing guided ammunition? The induced magnetic field will probably damage whatever electronic of the guided warhead is mounted onto the shell anyway. Guided Railgun ammunition has to be proven first like railguns being useful on battlefield bythemselfs have to be proven.
    Totally agree. Although the articles claimed that the electronics of their 'smart' rounds survived launch, I doubt whatever they were carrying were sophisticated enough to be able to track, calculate and intercept an incoming super or hypersonic threat. I might be wrong but wasn't the launch tests performed at low power? So whilst the electronics might have survived the g-forces, I can't see a modern high-speed processor chip surviving the launch magnetic field. Its literally sending the round down a focussed EMP tunnel of love!

    Lets face it, railguns are only useful in terms of range and cheapness of ammo. Firing smart rounds is automatically contradicting this paradigm. If you can't fire the round at full speed (mach 7ish) , well you've lost the impact energy/range advantage and even if you do manage to 'harden' it against the magnetic field, then it won't be able to either 'see' its target or receive communication to intercept the target because of the plasma sheath which forms at hypersonic speeds at low altitude.

    Unproven weapon. Too damned expensive and finicky to be practical in a war situation, restricted to platforms easily taken out by a single cruise missile and subject to low firing rates without open water based cooling systems.

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    Re: Russia, US and other developments in Hypersonic Research

    Post  gaurav on Sun May 15, 2016 12:33 am

    Russian leaders are giving twisted responses , but underlying a increase in Navy and Ground based missiles as responses for
    Romanian and Poland U.S ABM sites..  Can Rogozin be talking about 4202 tough nut to crack ..?

    Russian response to US ABM

    Russia's response to the deployment of U.S. missile defense elements in Romania and Poland will be military-technological but inexpensive, says Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin.

    "Surely, there will be a response. A military-technological and a modern response, and an inexpensive one, of which the president said. We are not getting dragged into an arms race, but we have forces and resources, including those currently being tested, which will work not in an old-fashioned way but based on the enemy's vulnerability," Rogozin told journalists when asked about Russia's response to the deployment of U.S. missile defense elements in Romania and Poland.

    Russia will develop its resources and allocate the funding "to make it possible to neutralize any threat with the least resources," he said. "As regards the industry, we reported to the president during these days about the most recent work, and tests and changes to the regulations for such tests, which allow us to speed up the creation of a weapon whose technical characteristics are even superior to [those of] the weapon of our probable adversaries," the deputy prime minister said.

    He focused on the U.S vulnerabilities(my 2cents) they are

    direction of attack (relatively close range sites in Romania and Poland) multiple directions
    Warhead resources (complete stealth)
    Electronic warfare embedded in warhead ..and other ground based sites.
    Bt whatever be the responses it is indeed a full spectrum response from Russian Industry to US ABM.


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    Re: Russia, US and other developments in Hypersonic Research

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sun May 15, 2016 5:38 am

    gaurav wrote:
    Russian leaders are giving twisted responses , but underlying a increase in Navy and Ground based missiles as responses for
    Romanian and Poland U.S ABM sites..  Can Rogozin be talking about 4202 tough nut to crack ..?

    Russian response to US ABM

    Russia's response to the deployment of U.S. missile defense elements in Romania and Poland will be military-technological but inexpensive, says Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin.

    "Surely, there will be a response. A military-technological and a modern response, and an inexpensive one, of which the president said. We are not getting dragged into an arms race, but we have forces and resources, including those currently being tested, which will work not in an old-fashioned way but based on the enemy's vulnerability," Rogozin told journalists when asked about Russia's response to the deployment of U.S. missile defense elements in Romania and Poland.

    Russia will develop its resources and allocate the funding "to make it possible to neutralize any threat with the least resources," he said. "As regards the industry, we reported to the president during these days about the most recent work, and tests and changes to the regulations for such tests, which allow us to speed up the creation of a weapon whose technical characteristics are even superior to [those of] the weapon of our probable adversaries," the deputy prime minister said.

    He focused on the U.S vulnerabilities(my 2cents) they are

    direction of attack (relatively close range sites in Romania and Poland) multiple directions
    Warhead resources (complete stealth)
    Electronic warfare embedded in warhead ..and other ground based sites.
    Bt whatever be the responses it is indeed a full spectrum response from Russian Industry to US ABM.


    One of the easiest asymmetrical responses would be to fit S-300V4/400 missiles with tactical thermonuclear warheads...with the immense size of the blast pressure, heat, and EMP effect you could easily push the effective ranges from said missiles from 3 to 6 times the effective range. Also as GarryB has stated that those same missiles could have direct offensive fire modes built into the software algorithms, and without the need to have sufficient endgame kinematic energy to attack maneuverable air-targets, but instead ground stationed targets...in effect you basically have a much longer range (potentially from 2,500 km to 3,500 km) Iskander-M, with the thrust-vectoring maneuverability and all.

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    Re: Russia, US and other developments in Hypersonic Research

    Post  sepheronx on Sun May 15, 2016 5:58 am

    ^
    What? No....... Just no.


    The best response is what they already have and are already fielding - Iskander missiles and Kalibr. Saturation attacks are the biggest threat to any military, be it Russia or US. The concept of Iron dome and what not is to strike at targets that are usually pretty piss poor accuracy already and require more than 1 missile to hit 1 rocket. Now imagine a saturated attack of multitude of highly accurate rockets? Well, now imagine that being done by cruise missiles and Iskander Quasi Ballistic missile. Essentially, the ABM system is supposed to be able to defend against standard based BM with a basic trajectory of that of a BM and its multiple warheads. Mind you, they make claims like it can determine what is a decoy and what isn't, but I call BS unless the ABM system uses optical guidance, which it does not. Now modern ICBM's that Russia is producing are maneuverable, thus it becomes an issue for US. The other one is the fact that so far, we have full on proof that the accuracy of such systems are somewhat abysmal (see Saudi Arabia conflict with Yemen using old BM and converted Anti Air missiles as ground missiles, and THAAD accuracy). What makes this even more so an issue for US is that the placement of the systems and how many there are, etc. For instance, the Radar stations are completely stationary. Even if mobile it wouldn't really help it. But more so worst when a massive complex like the radar station is put up, it is a massive target screaming "Look at me!". An attack on that would pretty much disable the ABM as it would destroy its Eyes and Ears of the ABM system.

    Key here is saturation attack, even with the current weapons. The placement of Iskanders in Kaliningrad, giving Iskanders to Belarus and placing Kalibr in Crimea would give Russia the advantage here. Of course these sites will be protected by other air defense assets and what not, but reality is, all systems can be bypassed in such a manner.

    One wild card is Russia's new EW systems they are putting in place at Air defense sites. If it works as intended and claimed, such a system could pose a major problem for US if such system is in Kaliningrad where they could possibly cause major interference in the guidance systems of the ABM system thus making it pretty much useless. But we know so little of it that I am just going to ignore it altogether.

    If lets say Russia just scraps the INF treaty, because of the US and what they are doing, it would benefit Russia quite a lot. And in so, it wouldn't really take much to turn Iskander from a limited 500km range missile to 1,500+ km range missile in the same configuration (QBM).

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    Re: Russia, US and other developments in Hypersonic Research

    Post  Project Canada on Sun May 15, 2016 7:55 am




    The second "Angara-A5" launch satellites for early warning

    Carrier rocket "Angara-A5" at the end of the year, scheduled for the second launch from the cosmodrome "Plesetsk" should be put into orbit at least two satellites for space echelon (EC) warning system (EWS). This was reported by TASS a source in the space industry.

    "Plans for the launch from Plesetsk second heavy" Angara "re-adjusted, and now to the left An indication spend start before the end of the year deadline -.. December," - said the source. According to him, during the start-up "is planned at least two orbiting . perhaps three satellites of the new generation " . The official confirmation of these data TASS has no new devices, therefore, must become part of the Single space systems - orbital echelon of the early warning system. As long as it is represented by only one satellite, which was launched in late 2015. MOSCOW TASS 12

    http://www.arms-expo.ru/news/kosmoss/angaru_a5_zapustyat_so_sputnikami_preduprezhdeniya_o_raketnom_napadenii/?utm_campaign=shareaholic&utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=socialnetwork



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    Russia plans to deploy 24 hypersonic Yu-71 missiles by 2025

    Post  nemrod on Sun May 15, 2016 2:38 pm


    I don't know who said them 2025. 2025 ? Why not in 2050, or 2500 ?
    Jane's defence is a shit, not more, not less. U can see the sad level of western media today.

    http://nextbigfuture.com/2016/05/russia-plans-to-deploy-24-hypersonic-yu.html


    Russia plans to deploy 24 hypersonic Yu-71 missiles by 2025

    Russia is test-flying a new, hypersonic glide vehicle that follows the contrails of China’s WU-14, a delivery vehicle reportedly capable of carrying nuclear warheads at Mach 10 and less susceptible to U.S. anti-ballistic countermeasures.

    Moscow has spent several years developing the new Yu-71 hypersonic glide vehicle (HGV), which was first test-flown in February, according to this month’s Jane’s Intelligence Review. It is part of an ongoing escalated effort by the Kremlin to overcome U.S. missile defenses, known as Project 4202.

    Project 4202 could turn out a limited number of glide vehicles armed with nuclear warheads by 2020, and up to 24 with new hypersonic payloads could be deployed at the Dombarovsky base between 2020 and 2025, the Intelligence Review said.

    Reports indicate that by then, Russia could potentially deploy a new ICBM that could carry the Yu-71.

    The advantage of the U-71 is about its speed and maneuverability. The vehicle is said to develop the speed ten times the speed of sound.

    The vehicle carries nuclear warheads and was designed to overcome the US missile defense system


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    Re: Russia, US and other developments in Hypersonic Research

    Post  gaurav on Sun May 15, 2016 8:07 pm

    The best response is what they already have and are already fielding - Iskander missiles and Kalibr. Saturation attacks are the biggest threat to any military,

    Indeed this is what they are going to do. They have increased the procurement of Klir and Iskander . These are the missile systems that we know about.


    RT- Russia to neutralize U.S abm

    The US anti-missile shield in Europe is yet another step in increasing international tensions and launching a new arms race, he stressed.

    It is clear they believe that by increasing the procurement of current and future tactical missiles they will be able to overwhelm the U.S ABM. They are stressing about arms race , which in their calculations is increasing the production of systems (both EW and missiles).


    I don't know who said them 2025. 2025 ? Why not in 2050, or 2500 ?

    Janes is total garbage. This news article is very old. Janes failed to report the recent test success of so called 4202.

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    Re: Russia, US and other developments in Hypersonic Research

    Post  sepheronx on Sun May 15, 2016 8:44 pm

    I guess what needs to be R&D would be launch systems and improving the missiles. A multi launch system for ground based system (like 8 pack) and EW type missiles. This would keep costs very low and also be very effective.

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    Re: Russia, US and other developments in Hypersonic Research

    Post  nemrod on Sun May 15, 2016 9:29 pm

    gaurav wrote:
    Janes is total garbage.
    thumbsup
    In my view worst than a garbage, as most of the western media.
    Moreover -I forgot to add- what it amazed me, who said them 24 hypersonic missiles ? Where is the source of this so called news ? Why not 240 ?  2.400 ? The bets are openned ....

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    Re: Russia, US and other developments in Hypersonic Research

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Mon May 16, 2016 11:50 am

    nemrod wrote:
    gaurav wrote:
    Janes is total garbage.
    thumbsup
    In my view worst than a garbage, as most of the western media.
    Moreover -I forgot to add- what it amazed me, who said them 24 hypersonic missiles ? Where is the source of this so called news ? Why not 240 ?  2.400 ? The bets are openned ....

    oh no no no, Janes is not a garbage but just yet another western outlet with anti-Russian info war propaganda, You know economy dead, Russians drunk and population decrease 2mln year...

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    Re: Russia, US and other developments in Hypersonic Research

    Post  GarryB on Mon May 16, 2016 11:59 am

    They keep talking about hypersonic gliders like the Russians want what the US wants... ie a global murder system like their UCAVs but faster.

    In actual fact the Russians want a system to defeat any ABM system... so it would actually make sense for them to build some gliders, but it would actually make more sense for them to adapt their MARV warheads on their SLBMs and ICBMs to do exactly the same thing... ie a ballistic launch but pop out of ballistic flight 1,000km away from the enemy ABM system and to glide in and nuke those ABM systems...

    Recent headlines mention withdrawing from the new start treaty if the US continues with its ABM systems around the place... that could only be because they want to increase the number of missiles they have carrying these gliders.

    And it suggests they will also therefore withdraw from the INF treaty and use cheaper medium range missiles too.

    Hahahahaha... serves them right... I can't wait to see what they say when Russia withdraws from both treaties... I remember when the US wanted the ABM treaty folded up it was because it was an out of date cold war dinosaur of an agreement... wonder what they will say if Russia uses the same argument for the INF treaty that the US has now made a joke of with its ABM systems in europe and those planned in Asia and elsewhere.


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    Re: Russia, US and other developments in Hypersonic Research

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Mon May 16, 2016 12:17 pm

    GarryB wrote:They keep talking about hypersonic gliders like the Russians want what the US wants... ie a global murder system like their UCAVs but faster.

    'This & tech development is behind it IMHO. PGS wrt to Russia makes no sense as regardless on number response will be devastating and nuclear. I can only imagine that one more objective to take over a territory w/o radio active fall out. Just ol good colonial style.






    Recent headlines mention withdrawing from the new start treaty if the US continues with its ABM systems around the place... that could only be because they want to increase the number of missiles they have carrying these gliders.

    And it suggests they will also therefore withdraw from the INF treaty and use cheaper medium range missiles too.

    Hahahahaha... serves them right... I can't wait to see what they say when Russia withdraws from both treaties... I remember when the US wanted the ABM treaty folded up it was because it was an out of date cold war dinosaur of an agreement... wonder what they will say if Russia uses the same argument for the INF treaty that the US has now made a joke of with its ABM systems in europe and those planned in Asia and elsewhere.[/quote]

    I am sure INF is dead already, just not formally made void. START too if needed. btw 2-3 weeks ago one of Russian politicians told press. As response to ABM we work on new nuked missile. But this was not about Sarmats... IRBM? I cannot find it now though. Maybe Rubezh can be modular and cheaper to fulfil IRBM/ICBM roles?

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    Post  gaurav on Mon May 16, 2016 10:07 pm

    Nemrod wrote:Moreover -I forgot to add- what it amazed me, who said them 24 hypersonic missiles ? Where is the source of this so called news ? Why not 240 ?  2.400 ? The bets are openned ....

    Actually Janes advertised leader of defence news. Only they had reporters capable to inform the public about Russian strategic weapon tests. But Russian weapon tests started appearing in other news channels also.They want to keep the news acceptable to U.S interests thats why maybe 24 missiles.


    Russia building missiles

    This shows why Russia carries out missile tests in secrecy due to heavy U.S reconnaisance
    "Of late, there was a boom in the development of systems monitoring the tests of our missiles and special weapons, which allow for tracking the entire flight path of the delivery vehicles and warheads. This does not suit us for obvious reasons. Nevertheless, there are no immediate plans for creating more major test sites


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    Post  max steel on Tue May 17, 2016 1:12 am

    nemrod wrote:
    Moreover -I forgot to add- what it amazed me, who said them 24 hypersonic missiles ? Where is the source of this so called news ? Why not 240 ?  2.400 ?


    Russian HGV will be nuclear capable so no point in adding 240 or 2400 as it will violate START Treaty. Jane’s Intelligence Review reports that Russia may be able to deploy up to 24 hypersonic nuclear delivery vehicles from their Dombarovsky air force base between 2020 and 2025.

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Tue May 17, 2016 12:05 pm

    max steel wrote:
    nemrod wrote:
    Moreover -I forgot to add- what it amazed me, who said them 24 hypersonic missiles ? Where is the source of this so called news ? Why not 240 ?  2.400 ?


    Russian HGV will be nuclear capable so no point in adding 240 or 2400 as it will violate START Treaty. Jane’s Intelligence Review reports that Russia may be able to deploy up to 24 hypersonic nuclear delivery vehicles from their Dombarovsky air force base between 2020 and 2025.

    well ABM first kills INF then start...

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    Post  max steel on Fri May 20, 2016 1:38 am

    This Is Why the Navy Can't Have Nice Railguns

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    Post  max steel on Fri May 20, 2016 8:55 pm

    Australia and partners Boeing, BAE Systems and DLR (German Aerospace Center) have a successful mach 7.5 hypersonic missile test

    Good news from western side.



    Chief Defence Scientist Dr Alex Zelinsky today congratulated an Australian-United States team on the success of an experimental hypersonic flight at the Woomera Test Range.

    The experimental rocket reached an apogee of 278 km, achieving the targeted speed of Mach 7.5 . The team estimates that its engine could get you from London to New York in 35 minutes, and London to Sydney in 2 hours. The experimental flight was undertaken as part of a joint research program, HIFiRE (Hypersonic International Flight Research Experimentation Program) being conducted by the Defence Science and Technology Group and the US Air Force Research Laboratory with Boeing and the University of Queensland providing expert technical design and analysis.

    “The success of this test launch takes us one step closer to the realisation of hypersonic flight,” Dr Zelinsky said.



    HIFiRE 5b is one of a series of 10 flight experiments under the Australia-US collaborative project Hypersonic International Flight Research and Experimentation program aimed at investigating physical phenomena of flight at more than five times the speed of sound. The knowledge gained from these experiments will be applied to develop future flight vehicles and testing of advanced air-breathing hypersonic propulsion engines known as supersonic combustion ramjets (scramjets). HIFiRE partners include the University of Queensland, Boeing, BAE Systems and DLR (German Aerospace Center).

    Hypersonic flight, involving speeds of more than five times the speed of sound, has the potential to provide immense social and economic benefits.

    “It is a game-changing technology identified in the 2016 Defence White Paper and could revolutionise global air travel, providing cost-effective access to space,” Dr Zelinsky said.

    The program is aimed at exploring the fundamental technologies critical to the realisation of sustained hypersonic flight.

    Boeing’s chief scientist for hypersonics Kevin Bowcutt said the HIFiRE program will accelerate the development of operational hypersonic systems by producing valuable scientific flight data.

    Professor Michael Smart from the University of Queensland praised the highly skilled individuals involved in the program and said they were placing the Australian aerospace industry on the international stage.

    The HIFiRE team has already achieved some significant milestones such as the design, assembly and pre-flight testing of the hypersonic vehicles and the design of complex avionics and flight systems. More test flights are scheduled in the next two years.

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    Post  max steel on Thu Jun 09, 2016 12:38 am

    Who’s Ahead in Hypersonics?

    China is “way ahead” in hypersonics, Deputy Defense Secretary Robert Work said Wednesday night. Speaking at an AFA Mitchell Institute event in Washington, D.C., Work said hypersonics technology is “part and parcel” of his “third offset” strategy to recapture a wide lead over adversaries, but competitors are pouring resources into the field as well.

    “The Chinese are way ahead in terms of hypersonics. The Russians are behind them, and I would say, we’re somewhere in between,” lol1 Work assessed. China’s “got hundreds of hypersonic wind tunnels,” he said, wondering “how do they pay for the overhead? But they are pursuing it in a big, big way.” The US wants hypersonic weapons because their speed offers value in penetration of anti-access, air defense networks, and such weapons will have to have a degree of autonomy to react to that environment. Hypersonics expert Mark Lewis, head of IDA’s Science and Technology Institute and former USAF chief scientist, said Work’s observation about China’s wind tunnels is correct. “You use small wind tunnels for research, and big ones for development of vehicles,” Lewis explained. “China’s biggest hypersonic tunnel is about twice the size” of the biggest one in the US. He was slightly less pessimistic than Work, however, saying the US probably has a narrow lead in hypersonics for another two years or so, and could preserve it with proper investment in programs and facilities.

    Russia is behind and they will be deploying Hypersonic Missiles within 2-3 years and 20 HGV by 2020(as claimed by media) meanwhile no such news from US or China. lol1

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    Post  sepheronx on Thu Jun 09, 2016 12:51 am

    airforce magazine. Hmm, now why would I trust that?

    Of course Russia is ahead, since they will be having the units ready before 2020. But as stated before, they have been working on hypersonic missiles for quite some time.

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    Post  max steel on Thu Jun 09, 2016 12:57 am

    PROPAGANDA , everyone does. Cool See the above comment they tested Mach 7.5 missile. US Hypersonic missile like X-51 Waverider(Mach 5) will only appear in mid-2020's( as claimed rest who knows) .

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Thu Jun 09, 2016 1:06 am

    max steel wrote:PROPAGANDA , everyone does. Cool  See the above comment they tested Mach 7.5 missile. US Hypersonic missile like X-51 Waverider(Mach 5) will only appear in mid-2020's( as claimed rest who knows) .

    bu it is true US is between Russia and China. Russia hits with Sarmats/Rubezhs and China from the other hand with Dong-Fengs Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil

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    Re: Russia, US and other developments in Hypersonic Research

    Post  sepheronx on Thu Jun 09, 2016 1:17 am

    max steel wrote:PROPAGANDA , everyone does. Cool  See the above comment they tested Mach 7.5 missile. US Hypersonic missile like X-51 Waverider(Mach 5) will only appear in mid-2020's( as claimed rest who knows) .

    Russia's hypersonic system is clouded in secrecy that it is very hard to determine what is going on. I imagine they are very far in its development, but they just do not like to spew off like US does on its claims. So many claims, and so many failures to their claims or no actual other info past said claims from US.

    So I imagine that time will tell when Russia starts to bring these out. And they may be so strategic that there may be no additional info either.

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    Re: Russia, US and other developments in Hypersonic Research

    Post  Viktor on Sun Jun 12, 2016 2:25 pm

    Excellent piece about Russian hypersonic

    Russian Top Secret Hypersonic Glider Can Penetrate Any Missile Defense

    Apparently there are two different types (actually many more but intended for ICBM and alike)

    Yu-71 - Mach 10 (approx??)
    Yu-74 - used in Sarmat project Mach 8 (approx??) each equiped with nuclear warhead, ECM/ECCM, decoys ,

    it seems that Yu-74 could be further optimization of the Yu-71 (or its smaller brother )

    but also very interesting part

    The website also calls attention to the fact that the project aimed at creating Russia's hypersonic air-launched cruise missiles has also entered its final phase. Reportedly, new hypersonic cruise missiles will be in many respects similar to the Yu-74.


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