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d_taddei2 wrote:Not the greatest article. And they used mig-35 instead of Su-35. And they are guessing the cost. $3 billion for 26 Su-35 to be all delivered by 2023. Works out at $115.38 million each. And includes missiles and weapons etc.
https://m.ednews.net/en/news/world/428645-russia-sold-26-su-35-fighter-jets-to-egypt-totalling-3-billion#.Xr5m97Fex90.facebook
ahmedfire wrote:d_taddei2 wrote:Not the greatest article. And they used mig-35 instead of Su-35. And they are guessing the cost. $3 billion for 26 Su-35 to be all delivered by 2023. Works out at $115.38 million each. And includes missiles and weapons etc.
https://m.ednews.net/en/news/world/428645-russia-sold-26-su-35-fighter-jets-to-egypt-totalling-3-billion#.Xr5m97Fex90.facebook
The previous news have been talked about 24 aircraft that costs 2 billion . Now 26 with 3 billion means a wide range of missiles and bombs are included which definitely will add a huge capabilities to EAF . Can't wait to change the wallpaper with the Su-35 over the Pyramids
Yeah that's a lot missiles. And USA will be fuming. I think Egypt is turning away from USA weapons. I feel Egypt always had a Mish mash of equipment it wouldn't hurt streamlining it a bit and due to having such a large military need to strike better cost effective deals and not be getting ripped off by Western countries
ahmedfire wrote:Yeah that's a lot missiles. And USA will be fuming. I think Egypt is turning away from USA weapons. I feel Egypt always had a Mish mash of equipment it wouldn't hurt streamlining it a bit and due to having such a large military need to strike better cost effective deals and not be getting ripped off by Western countries
And i don't see a future for any new US aircraft to serve in EAF .Egypt will not buy F-35 and will operate the F-16 fleet till being retired .
US has threatened to impose sanctions on Egypt because of this SU-35 deal , so may the sanctions would be applied or they just are afraid to completely lose Egypt .
d_taddei2 wrote:
Yeah that's a lot missiles. And USA will be fuming. I think Egypt is turning away from USA weapons. I feel Egypt always had a Mish mash of equipment it wouldn't hurt streamlining it a bit and due to having such a large military need to strike better cost effective deals and not be getting ripped off by Western countries
George1 wrote:d_taddei2 wrote:
Yeah that's a lot missiles. And USA will be fuming. I think Egypt is turning away from USA weapons. I feel Egypt always had a Mish mash of equipment it wouldn't hurt streamlining it a bit and due to having such a large military need to strike better cost effective deals and not be getting ripped off by Western countries
USA halted weapon transfers to Egypt in October 2013 because they considered Sisi autocratic after he took power by coup against a democratic elected president.
So Egypt turned to the Russia to satisfy its needs or/and to pressure to US to resume arms sales, which it was finally done when Obama restored US military aid to Egypt in 2015.
My opinion is that Egypt doesnt have the intention to break full military cooperation with US. They also bought ships from France and submarines from Germany. They just want to diversify their their arms sources with purchases from other countries as well.
dino00 wrote:Russia launches production of Su-35 fighter jets for Egypt — source
The timeframe for first batch’s delivery has not been set yet, due to restrictions imposed by the novel coronavirus outbreak
"The Gagarin Aircraft Plant in Komsomolsk-on-Amur has launched the production of Su-35, intended to be delivered to the Egyptian Air Force under the contract signed in 2018," the source said.
"The timeframe for first batch’s delivery to the Egyptian side has not been set yet, due to restrictions imposed by the novel coronavirus outbreak," he added.
Russia’s Kommersant daily reported in March 2019 that Egypt had decided to purchase several Russian-made Su-35 fighter jets for about $2 billion. The signing of the deal has never been confirmed by official sources
https://tass.com/defense/1157115
d_taddei2 wrote:dino00 wrote:Russia launches production of Su-35 fighter jets for Egypt — source
The timeframe for first batch’s delivery has not been set yet, due to restrictions imposed by the novel coronavirus outbreak
"The Gagarin Aircraft Plant in Komsomolsk-on-Amur has launched the production of Su-35, intended to be delivered to the Egyptian Air Force under the contract signed in 2018," the source said.
"The timeframe for first batch’s delivery to the Egyptian side has not been set yet, due to restrictions imposed by the novel coronavirus outbreak," he added.
Russia’s Kommersant daily reported in March 2019 that Egypt had decided to purchase several Russian-made Su-35 fighter jets for about $2 billion. The signing of the deal has never been confirmed by official sources
https://tass.com/defense/1157115
The article I put on here says 26 aircraft plus missiles $3 billion order to be completed by 2023
the price is from Kommersant, the important part is that they started work.dino00 wrote:d_taddei2 wrote:dino00 wrote:Russia launches production of Su-35 fighter jets for Egypt — source
The timeframe for first batch’s delivery has not been set yet, due to restrictions imposed by the novel coronavirus outbreak
"The Gagarin Aircraft Plant in Komsomolsk-on-Amur has launched the production of Su-35, intended to be delivered to the Egyptian Air Force under the contract signed in 2018," the source said.
"The timeframe for first batch’s delivery to the Egyptian side has not been set yet, due to restrictions imposed by the novel coronavirus outbreak," he added.
Russia’s Kommersant daily reported in March 2019 that Egypt had decided to purchase several Russian-made Su-35 fighter jets for about $2 billion. The signing of the deal has never been confirmed by official sources
https://tass.com/defense/1157115
The article I put on here says 26 aircraft plus missiles $3 billion order to be completed by 2023
You said that they were guessing the cost
Isos wrote: Fuel for exemple is not the same on US and RU aircraft so they will need different refueling trucks. Or testbeds for missiles, engines, radars ...
d_taddei2 wrote:Yeah that's a lot missiles. And USA will be fuming. I think Egypt is turning away from USA weapons. I feel Egypt always had a Mish mash of equipment it wouldn't hurt streamlining it a bit and due to having such a large military need to strike better cost effective deals and not be getting ripped off by Western countries
Gomig-21 wrote:d_taddei2 wrote:Yeah that's a lot missiles. And USA will be fuming. I think Egypt is turning away from USA weapons. I feel Egypt always had a Mish mash of equipment it wouldn't hurt streamlining it a bit and due to having such a large military need to strike better cost effective deals and not be getting ripped off by Western countries
I'm just curious, but are you guessing as to the amount of missiles based on the average cost per aircraft or was there some note in the Russian literature that dictated a certain quantity of missiles?
Question - what is the difference in the fuel type from the J-P5 used on most western fighter jets to what Russia uses?
So do you know what the fuel type is for the Su-35S and is it the same as the MiG-35? Thanks.
d_taddei2 wrote:Gomig-21 wrote:d_taddei2 wrote:Yeah that's a lot missiles. And USA will be fuming. I think Egypt is turning away from USA weapons. I feel Egypt always had a Mish mash of equipment it wouldn't hurt streamlining it a bit and due to having such a large military need to strike better cost effective deals and not be getting ripped off by Western countries
I'm just curious, but are you guessing as to the amount of missiles based on the average cost per aircraft or was there some note in the Russian literature that dictated a certain quantity of missiles?
guessed based on the value. if indeed the deal is 26 aircraft plus missiles etc and the deal was said to be 3billion dollars, and prior there was mention of just 24 aircraft for 2 billion dollars then thats 1 billion dollars for two aircraft plus missiles. 24 aircraft for 2 billion dollars works out at 83million dollars approx per aircraft, so take that figure means 166million dollars for two that leaves 834 million dollars for weapons and missles. a lot of money.
of course nobody really knows the real info of the deal.
Isos wrote:You can see on the web. I don't know. That's normal kerosen with some add-on chemicals.
GarryB wrote:Most Russian aircraft have digital fuel management systems for their engines AFAIK so they should not be too fussy.
GarryB wrote:In fact I seem to remember mention in the late 1980s about the MiG-29 being designed to use standard HATO support equipment so they can operate from captured airfields.
I know for certain that the Su-25 has some very hard core engines that can run on petrol, kerosene, Benzine, fuel oil, diesel ...or their mixtures... so land on a road in front of a petrol station and fill the tank with anything in the pumps and take off...
GarryB wrote:Regarding streamlining types I am not saying it is a bad idea... but if you take it too far you end up with F-35 and nothing else... which sounds to me like a bad thing.
GarryB wrote:I would support removing from service aircraft you don't actually own... the ones you just rent... ie American planes and equipment, but I am biased and would do that anyway.
GarryB wrote:I would say there are quite a few European countries who are having second thoughts about paying $80K per hour operating costs for planes that are not actually stealthy and seem to be rather fragile and unforgiving...
GarryB wrote:
I know for certain that the Su-25 has some very hard core engines that can run on petrol, kerosene, Benzine, fuel oil, diesel ...or their mixtures... so land on a road in front of a petrol station and fill the tank with anything in the pumps and take off....
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I would think that most aircraft flying turbofan engines would have some fuel management systems that allow the usage of similar types of fuels that are all essentially kerosene-based, since the main content is kerosene and the additives are mostly minimal.
That's amazing because from what I know, there is a major difference between kerosene-based fuels and oil-based ones such as diesel because they have very different combustion parameters. So to be able to use that wide a range is pretty impressive.
Engine V-type, 1,000 hp, multi-fuel
You mean putting all the aircraft in the EAF inventory working under one data link? Or purchasing only one type of aircraft like either western or eastern?
I think the goal for the EAF is to put all aircraft under one data link network and most likely Link-16 since all its E-2C Hawkeys performing all essentially AWACs operate in that link, including many off the ships & frigates etc. But almost all ground radars (especially the new and very impressive Protivnik GE radars) and air defense radars and one of the main military satellites are all Russian based.
Finding a way to integrate all these major systems under one information sharing source will be quite a challenge. Especially when you have critical elements to consider such as IFF and such.
Although the EAF had already interated its older Russian aircraft IFF in the MiG-21 under a common system that was jointly developed by the Egyptian military and Teledyne. So I'm guessing they will be doing something similar with these new Russian aircraft to bring them into the fold. Otherwise they'll have to operate on their own as a separate entity which could lead to problems.
Mmmm...are we referring to the Rafales or the EF Typhoons? lol. If the operating cost is that high (which I don't think it is even close, Gary TBH at least for the Rafale anyway), then there is definitely a problem. I'm pretty sure the Rafale is somewhere around $15K+/- per hour but the EFT is probably higher.
This is true I was told this during my service. We did war games the scenario was based in UK. And it was mentioned that Soviet aircraft could either use various types of fuel and some with very little tweaking could use it, however it did effect their range and to a certain degree performance and effected maintenance and this wasn't just specific to Su-25. The threat was many motorways have fuel stations so the Russians not only had access to fuel stations but the motorway used as a runway. The tactics were simple bomb fuel stations and cluster munitions on motorways near fuel stations. It effectively made every motorway service station in the UK a potential airbase for the Russians, something western aircraft couldn't do. It was during this time I took mote interest in Soviet aircraft. Although I was studying various equipment at the time it made me realise that the common attitude of Soviet equipment was crap was unfounded
ahmedfire wrote:https://defence-blog.com/news/satellite-image-shows-first-egypts-su-35-fighter-jets-in-komsomolsk-on-amur.html
It seems the Egyptian Su-35
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