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Faked or not it would not change jack shit in reality. We know for a fact, russia is most technological advanced and stayed so since the first launch, everything else does not matter.
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Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #1
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max steel wrote:
China wishes to buy Russian RD-180 rocket engines
China is interested in buying Russia’s RD-180 dual-combustion chamber 400 tonne thrust engines for its prospective super-heavy-lift launch vehicle, a source familiar with the situation told Interfax-AVN on July 7.
“The question is at least about buying ready rocket engines, first and foremost, RD-180, or even acquiring a production license,” the source said in comment on a statement by Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin who said on Monday that China might buy Russian rocket engines.
In his words, “the second option is undesirable to us.”
From Post n°175
https://www.russiadefence.net/t2944p165-sino-russian-relations
Rd 180 the west east
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Excellent news with the Chinese wanting to buy Russian rockets.... sell them but don't sell the licence to produce them.
Money is tight at the moment, so it makes sense to reduce budgets at the moment in most areas, but Vann, you are being silly. Getting a Russian to Mars first wont mean anything if the Russian military is underfunded and weak.
Money that is cut now can be spent later on when the economy improves and economic ties with the rest of the world that is not the EU and US improves the position of both partners.
Regarding US domination of space... that is amusing... the Russians have systems that can interfere with satellites... from electronic interference through to lasers on the A-60 to directly interfere with optical sensors... having the high ground might make the US think its position is safe, but when a conflict actually starts and their satellites start failing they might realise that learning to read a map and learning to navigate with map and compass was something they should have taught their soldiers and sailors...
Money is tight at the moment, so it makes sense to reduce budgets at the moment in most areas, but Vann, you are being silly. Getting a Russian to Mars first wont mean anything if the Russian military is underfunded and weak.
Money that is cut now can be spent later on when the economy improves and economic ties with the rest of the world that is not the EU and US improves the position of both partners.
Regarding US domination of space... that is amusing... the Russians have systems that can interfere with satellites... from electronic interference through to lasers on the A-60 to directly interfere with optical sensors... having the high ground might make the US think its position is safe, but when a conflict actually starts and their satellites start failing they might realise that learning to read a map and learning to navigate with map and compass was something they should have taught their soldiers and sailors...
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Three spacecraft “Gonets-M” put into operation
Three spacecraft “Gonets-M”, launched March 31, 2015, were put into operation.This is stated in a message posted on the website of “Information Satellite Systems named after Reshetnev”, the manufacturer of satellites.
“Once being in orbit satellites of personal communications “Gonets-M” of number 21, 22, 23 orbital inspection was carried out, during which experts have tested the operation of all systems of spacecraft. At the moment they are used for their intended purpose,” the message said.
Three spacecraft “Gonets-M”, launched March 31, 2015, were put into operation.This is stated in a message posted on the website of “Information Satellite Systems named after Reshetnev”, the manufacturer of satellites.
“Once being in orbit satellites of personal communications “Gonets-M” of number 21, 22, 23 orbital inspection was carried out, during which experts have tested the operation of all systems of spacecraft. At the moment they are used for their intended purpose,” the message said.
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GarryB wrote:Excellent news with the Chinese wanting to buy Russian rockets.... sell them but don't sell the licence to produce them.
Money is tight at the moment, so it makes sense to reduce budgets at the moment in most areas, but Vann, you are being silly. Getting a Russian to Mars first wont mean anything if the Russian military is underfunded and weak.
Money that is cut now can be spent later on when the economy improves and economic ties with the rest of the world that is not the EU and US improves the position of both partners.
Regarding US domination of space... that is amusing... the Russians have systems that can interfere with satellites... from electronic interference through to lasers on the A-60 to directly interfere with optical sensors... having the high ground might make the US think its position is safe, but when a conflict actually starts and their satellites start failing they might realise that learning to read a map and learning to navigate with map and compass was something they should have taught their soldiers and sailors...
I think Ru the one kill rival space
US China next decade Rd 180 !
I read the note. No need satlite.
US can no stop !
Russian Tu-160 and PAKDA Strategic Bombers to Use Star Power
by Staff Writers
Moscow (Sputnik) Jul 05, 2015
Jamming Russian long-range bombers' navigation satellite systems will not throw them off course. They will navigate using stars.
Russian long-range aircraft such as Tu-160 strategic bombers will be equipped with a technologically new system that figures out a plane's coordinates based on the position of the stars.
The new ANS-2009 astronavigation system can determine an aircraft's position and speed with high precision.
Its main advantage over other systems is that this method "is supremely reliable in combat conditions when navigation satellite systems (NSS) can be brought out of operation by an enemy," the manufacturer's press service said.
The integration of ANS, NSS and platformless inertial navigation systems aboard would allow a plane's coordinates to be calculated with maximum precision.
The technical achievements realized in the ANS-2009 will be used in the next-generation strategic bomber PAK DA, the Radio-Electronic Technologies Concern (KRET) added.
The Russian Tu-160 is a supersonic variable-sweep wing heavy strategic bomber/missile carrier. It can engage targets around the globe with nuclear and conventional weapons.
Moscow decided to renew the production of the world's largest supersonic bomber jets and modernize them.
http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Russian_Tu_160_and_PAKDA_Strategic_Bombers_to_Use_Star_Power_999.html
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Russia forms Roscosmos state corporation
The state corporation is set up on the basis of the Russian Federal Space Agency and the United Rocket and Space Corporation
MOSCOW, July 13. /TASS/. Russian President Vladimir Putin signed the law establishing the state space corporation Roscosmos, the press service of the Kremlin said on Monday.
The state corporation is set up on the basis of the Russian Federal Space Agency and the United Rocket and Space Corporation. It becomes the authorized management agency in the field of research, development and use of outer space. The corporation will manage space operations and implement the regulatory control in this sphere. CEO of the United Rocket and Space Corporation Igor Komarov will lead the newly established corporation.
The state corporation will provide services in the field of space exploration, support development of rocket and space products of defense, dual, research and socioeconomic nature, coordinate activities related to GLONASS global positioning system, manage and coordinate operations at Baikonur and Vostochny launch sites.
Roscosmos will also be responsible for international activities in the field of space research and use.
The state corporation is set up on the basis of the Russian Federal Space Agency and the United Rocket and Space Corporation
MOSCOW, July 13. /TASS/. Russian President Vladimir Putin signed the law establishing the state space corporation Roscosmos, the press service of the Kremlin said on Monday.
The state corporation is set up on the basis of the Russian Federal Space Agency and the United Rocket and Space Corporation. It becomes the authorized management agency in the field of research, development and use of outer space. The corporation will manage space operations and implement the regulatory control in this sphere. CEO of the United Rocket and Space Corporation Igor Komarov will lead the newly established corporation.
The state corporation will provide services in the field of space exploration, support development of rocket and space products of defense, dual, research and socioeconomic nature, coordinate activities related to GLONASS global positioning system, manage and coordinate operations at Baikonur and Vostochny launch sites.
Roscosmos will also be responsible for international activities in the field of space research and use.
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Energia may be reborn as Energia-3 (75 tons to LEO) and Energia-6 (150 tons to LEO). This would
be after 2025. Until 2025 the priority is the Angara-A5B.
Energia may be reborn as Energia-3 (75 tons to LEO) and Energia-6 (150 tons to LEO). This would
be after 2025. Until 2025 the priority is the Angara-A5B.
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The Space services is a bit like the Navy... right now small efficient and capable should be the priority... get them into service and all the bugs worked out and then look at larger stuff to expand capability and reach.
Bigger is more expensive but you wont need as many so it is not that expensive...
Bigger is more expensive but you wont need as many so it is not that expensive...
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Do the russia sattelites are tested in a facility with radiation? And with heat? And with frozen? Why then the Persona sattelites failed? Is enough to put that sattelite near a radiation source like a cobalt 60 reactor
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RSC Energia Contract with Orbital Sciences Corporation Signed
Press Release From: RSC Energia
Posted: Tuesday, January 20, 2015
The President of RSC ENERGIA (which is a part of the United Rocket and Space Corporation) Vladimir SOLNTSEV and General Durector of Orbital Sciences Corporation (OSC) David THOMPSON have signed a direct contract for the delivery to the US of engines made by NPO ENERGOMASH (a subsidiary of RSC Energia).
The contract value is approximately US$1 billion (the exact figure is a commercial secret). Altogether, Russia is to deliver to the US 60 RD-181 engines - the customer is going to receive the first two engines as early as June 2015. The contract was concluded directly with the Orbital Sciences Corporation.
The engine RD-181 was developed specifically for use on the ANTARES launch vehicle, its use will make it possible to deliver significantly bigger payloads to the ISS and low-Earth orbits. Used in the production of RD-181 are state-of-the-art materials, innovative engineering and design solutions, which made it possible to improve the engine performance (the thrust is 186 tons). RD-181 was derived from the engine RD-191, which enabled the successful flight of ANGARA launch vehicle in the summer of 2014, and which was also installed on ANGARA launch vehicle which flew in December of 2014 from Plesetsk launch site.
The contract and addendums to it were concluded for engine deliveries and engineering support of the project - firing tests, engine installation, pre-flight processing, etc., which provides NPO ENERGOMASH with an opportunity to develop further, to upgrade its equipment, and stimulate its employees to develop and implement new advanced projects.
Vladimir SOLNTSEV, the President of RSC ENERGIA says: "We produce a whole family of engines built around a common manufacturing concept, which means that we can support virtually any kind of launch vehicles: from super-light to super-heavy. The statistics is unequivocal: our liquid rocket engines are 100% reliable; and, by the way, almost a half of all the space launches in world in the last year were made using NPO ENERGOMASH engines. We had been working on this contract for 3 years, and we are glad that our US colleagues share our principles: the foremost factor in today's world, along with the product quality and competitive pricing, is the reliability of the supplier himself".
http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewpr.html?pid=44856
US company OB go Rd 180
60 engine. $1 billon
Mccain so stopid
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Yessssssss
Khrunichev Center "Proton-M" will cease to build by 2025
Rocket "Proton-M" 2025 plan to replace environmentally friendly launch vehicle "Angara-A5", said on Friday the press service of the Khrunichev Space Center.
http://ria.ru/space/20150717/1133708375.html
MOSCOW, July 17 - RIA Novosti. The production of carrier rockets "Proton-M" plans to finish by 2025, their fully replace "Angara-A5", said on Friday the press service of the Khrunichev Space Center.
"The production and operation of the rocket" Proton-M "will continue in the next 10 years. By 2025 it is planned to completely replace the" Proton "clean booster module type" Angara-A5 ", Khrunichev created in cooperation with the Russian space industry "- said in a statement.
For the first time, "Proton" was launched fifty years ago, July 16, 1965, from the Baikonur Cosmodrome. With this launch into space were put satellites "Cosmos", "screen", "Rainbow", "Horizon", the satellites for the study of the Moon, Mars, Venus, Halley's Comet; manned orbital station "Salyut" and "Mir", as well as their constituent heavy specialized modules "Quantum", "Quantum-2", "crystal", "Spectrum", "Nature", the Russian module of the International Space Station, "Dawn" and "Star".
Currently, for removing payloads under the Federal Space Programme and widely used commercial software upgraded carrier rocket "Proton-M".
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Sitting on their asses for decades and now they want a slice?
Russian Defense Ministry: rocket "Soyuz-5" may be an alternative, "Angara"
The development of "Soyuz-5" is leading the company on its own initiative ", he said on Friday Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov, during his visit to the rocket-space center" Progress ".
http://ria.ru/space/20150717/1134206828.html
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Kind of funny when we start celebrating a rocket headed for the past...PapaDragon wrote:Yessssssss
Still, great news and Proton will have served its' duty by then. Soyuz-5 shouldn't be invested into unless it gives Russia something Angara does not...which in reality it does not. That being said, Russian developments with Methane will be exciting.
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George1 wrote:
i would like to see more space missions to mars from Russia in future
Me too.. but more than anything , i would have liked Russia to send probes to Jupiter and Saturn and send images back of how is its surface.. how it should look being on the surface of
both planets.. that will be really amazing.. and spectacular. And not less interesting to visit
The moons of SAturn.. like Titan.. or moons of jupiter like Europe and Ganymides ,LO ,Callisto
..
To send probes as they did in venus and take a close shot of the planets and moon surface..and later the most interesting ones.. send a rover. 
and with luck discover a real good place to visit in a manned mission.. I really thing such
things can be done.. had Russia gave priority to space than any other thing.. Everyone likes
space and traveling to those never landed places will truly encourage the society in Russia
to stop wasting their time in "human rights" NGOs or silly things and study professional careers to help the Russian Space industry in the exploration of space .
Any mission to a new planet or moon like those ,could paid by sponsors . Russia will have easily millions of offers from companies to become sponsors and their company name to show up in the lander or in a rover ..
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Well, hopefully with Roscosmos being merged with all those other entities, they will fix their problems. Major issues have been poor quality and high failure rates. With the industries merged to one entity, it will be easier for QC as well as obtaining parts and working closer with the industries to provide cheaper and more effective equipment. I think it was obvious that even with major funding from before, there were far too many failures and issues. That is probably why they are doing what they are doing - aiming at making Roscosmos profitable per year. Reason for this is that they would then generate revenue and be able to induldge in other projects that would benefit themselves to make even more money and technology improvements without worrying about funding from the federal government. If they do meet the rumored trillion rubles profits that is.
Then, when things are fixed, I say jump to these more advanced space exploration again. Will take a while though.
Then, when things are fixed, I say jump to these more advanced space exploration again. Will take a while though.
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billions are spent on vostochny , you cant have new launch center with all added people and production , and new interplanetary satelites.
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In the Krasnoyarsk region is the construction of new buildings for the production of satellites
This should help Vann wet himself.
This should help Vann wet himself.
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PapaDragon wrote:
Sitting on their asses for decades and now they want a slice?
Russian Defense Ministry: rocket "Soyuz-5" may be an alternative, "Angara"
The development of "Soyuz-5" is leading the company on its own initiative ", he said on Friday Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov, during his visit to the rocket-space center" Progress ".
http://ria.ru/space/20150717/1134206828.html
http://www.russianspaceweb.com/soyuz5.html
Interesting, LNG fuel instead of kerosene. I think they should build the single stage version regardless. Russia can afford more than
one rocket design.
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sepheronx wrote:In the Krasnoyarsk region is the construction of new buildings for the production of satellites
This should help Vann wet himself.
Yup, it will be biblical flood, someone should call FEMA
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Rmf wrote:billions are spent on vostochny , you cant have new launch center with all added people and production , and new interplanetary satelites.
Not really. The cost is not annual but a total spread out over many years. It is not a zero-sum game.
http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-04/12/russian-space-budget
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kvs wrote:PapaDragon wrote:
Sitting on their asses for decades and now they want a slice?
Russian Defense Ministry: rocket "Soyuz-5" may be an alternative, "Angara"
The development of "Soyuz-5" is leading the company on its own initiative ", he said on Friday Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov, during his visit to the rocket-space center" Progress ".
http://ria.ru/space/20150717/1134206828.html
http://www.russianspaceweb.com/soyuz5.html
Interesting, LNG fuel instead of kerosene. I think they should build the single stage version regardless. Russia can afford more than
one rocket design.
Im wondering if the builders of SOyuz-5 are the same of Angara.. or they are competition...?
even though the space industry was united , i think the managers /team on each rocket is not the same.. If that is the case.. That Soyuz designers compete with Angara designers , then thats positive.. Competition and need is what motivates innovation.
I want to see however the Space Shuttle revived again.. or a brand new one , that could travel to the moon and return.. and people land not in parachutes from space..but just any plane does. That will be impressive.. a Space Shuttle that can do all , ISS ,the Moon and Mars ,and return to earth landing like any plane will do.
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Rmf wrote:billions are spent on vostochny , you cant have new launch center with all added people and production , and new interplanetary satelites.
No matter how you slice it, Vostochny is necessary. Russia cannot rely on access to Baikonur, even if relations with the Kazahs are currently warm (doG forbid it could ever happen, but a Maidan in Kazakhstan would be a catastrophe...). The new cosmodrome is a sunk cost, and once its up and running and minor controversies fade (like construction delays and shonky contractors cheating their labour force), the value of the facility will become clear.
The NH recon of the Pluto system (hearty congrats to NASA BTW!) essentially closes the chapter of the early phase of Solar system exploration (with the exception of newly discovered TNOs like Eris) but there are PLENTY of other exciting missions:
1- A network of penetrators across Mars c/w imaging, seismographs and meterology (MetNet). This would be an awesome project. Curiosity rover is impressive, but 1-2 dozen lander stations deployed simultaneously in difficult to land locations like the bottom of Vallis Marinaris or the crater of Olympus Mons? Now that would give bragging rights!
2- Long lived surface landers on Venus - develop SiC based electronics (and imaging systems?) that can operate at 450 deg C ambient and deploy a Met-Net style network of penetrators across the planet
3- Sample returns from asteroids and the moons of Mars. There are many DECADES of work here alone.
4- Titan orbiter for near-IR and SAR mapping
5- Titan rover
My personal favorite!!!! Titan is simply..... amazing....6- Titan lake explorer - RTG powered motor-boat with cameras, chromatograph, sonar sounder and side-scan imager, under"water" imager... maybe even a fishing rod and a 6-pack of beer....
7- Io lander and volcano explorer - no idea how you make this work given the horrendous radiation environment that would kill an unprotected human in about 5 seconds flat, but a surface lander/rover taking images of Pelee erupting would be breathtaking...
8- Europa orbiter with deep subsurface radar sounder for mapping the sub-crustal ocean that is believed to exist. (personally, I think the the idea of drilling down to any Europan ocean is pie-in-the-sky, so i don't include it)
9- ditto 8- for Ganymede and Callisto
10- Enceladus explorer to study the southern polar region, its plumes and sub-surface geology
11- Jupiter/Saturn atmosphere probes. Galileo dropped a package into Jupiter but it hit a gap in the clouds and only sensed clear "air" for its entire trajectory.
12- Uranus orbiter and atmospheric probe(s), probably with a specialised super-low light-level camera for imaging the dark sides of the Uranian regular moons using only star-light (next equinox is ~2050)
13- Neptune orbiter and atmospheric probe(s) c/w Triton lander and atmosphere sampler
14- Return to Pluto with an RTG-powered ion-engine equipped orbiter and lander package.
15- Grand tour of TNOs including Eris
NASA deserve the accolades for a long history of highly successful planetary probes and missions of extremely high difficulty (don't hate NASA because US ruling elite are warmogering c*nts), but there is plenty more to do
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NASA deserve the accolades for a long history of highly successful planetary probes and missions of extremely high difficulty (don't hate NASA because US ruling elite are warmogering c*nts), but there is plenty more to do
X2
Close up photos of Pluto is something I was waiting for... like a decent movie of Lord of the Rings... thanks NASA and thanks Sir Peter Jackson....
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Interesting video.. And uploaded by some more cool heads at NASA.
The next Soyuz crew in preparations for next ISS flight.
The next Soyuz crew in preparations for next ISS flight.
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Soyuz Failed Solar Panel Opens During Docking With ISS - Roscosmos
So overall, the operation was successful, but initially, one of the solar panel arrays failed to open, to open later when it docked with ISS. But I suppose they place two onboard (or more) as one is backup. The backup worked and so it provided the power needed for the spacecraft.
With Roscosmos being an entity now of combined facilities/manufacturing capabilities, it is very important to note that there is a lot of work to be done to make sure there is much better QC.
So overall, the operation was successful, but initially, one of the solar panel arrays failed to open, to open later when it docked with ISS. But I suppose they place two onboard (or more) as one is backup. The backup worked and so it provided the power needed for the spacecraft.
With Roscosmos being an entity now of combined facilities/manufacturing capabilities, it is very important to note that there is a lot of work to be done to make sure there is much better QC.
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