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    Re: Russian Military Pistols Thread:

    Post  GarryB on Sun Oct 27, 2013 8:24 am

    And kinda unusual as these weapons were pretty much for special forces/police/swat type forces that generally have their own say as to what they buy and use.

    I would like to see them with reliable accurate pistols but there is no such thing as perfect.


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    Post  TheArmenian on Wed Nov 06, 2013 8:01 pm

    Armenia, November 2013
    Russian made PSS silent pistol shown during display event organized by Armenian Special Forces.





    Also displayed were the VAL and VINTORETZ

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    Re: Russian Military Pistols Thread:

    Post  GarryB on Wed Nov 06, 2013 11:04 pm

    Very small and compact for a silent pistol, but not really new... Soviet special forces adopted it in the early 1980s.

    Nice looking scope on that AS by the way...


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    Post  par far on Fri Jan 23, 2015 3:58 am

    I was researching if Russia is making new handguns and revolvers? All I could find were old Soviet designs, is there any Russian company that is making new handguns and revolvers?

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    Re: Russian Military Pistols Thread:

    Post  cracker on Fri Jan 23, 2015 4:50 am

    there are many russian pistols...

    SR1, Pya, GSH18, to name a few

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    Post  George1 on Fri Jan 23, 2015 4:55 am

    there was also a discussion here about handguns with photos also

    http://www.russiadefence.net/t1959-russian-military-to-get-new-pistol

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    Post  Werewolf on Fri Jan 23, 2015 12:50 pm

    MP-443 Grach


    Gsh-18 uses special rounds and is among the heaviest hitter of 9mm pistols due the special AP round.


    OTs-23 Drotik, semi- and automatic Pistol.


    OTs-27 Bertysh


    OTs-33 Pernach, semi- and automatic Pistol big as Mk.23 pistol.


    MP-446 Viking, very nice design.


    MP-448 Skyph, compact designed pistol.


    P-96M


    And my favorite of those for semi-auto at least.
    Strike One "Strizh" uses also 7N21/31 ammunition high power Armor Piercing rounds.



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    Re: Russian Military Pistols Thread:

    Post  GarryB on Sat Jan 24, 2015 4:06 am

    Also of note the Russian Army has adopted the 9 x19mm pistol cartridge in a very powerful ++P form.

    Note NATO has +P 9mm ammo with more power especially for SMGs and other stronger weapons, so the new Russian ammo allows the Russians to use NATO ammo, but would make it dangerous for NATO weapons to fire captured Russian ammo.

    Note also some weapons like the SR-1 Gyurza uses different ammo 9x21mm that is not compatible.

    The Stechkin machine pistol was very popular among Soviet special forces which reflects all the full auto capable pistols Werewolf mentions... note there is a full auto version of the Strike One pistol too.


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    Re: Russian Military Pistols Thread:

    Post  George1 on Sun Jun 21, 2015 11:28 pm

    Level Up: Kalashnikov Presents New Pistol for Russian Military

    Visitors of the Army-2015 exhibition in the Moscow Region queued to examine a new pistol presented by the Kalashnikov Company.

    The PL-14 is a 9x19mm pistol developed for force structures. The member of the Russian Security Service (FSB) and shooting sportsmen participated in the development of the weapon, which resulted in its ergonomics and convenience.




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    Re: Russian Military Pistols Thread:

    Post  collegeboy16 on Mon Jun 22, 2015 8:45 am

    George1 wrote:Level Up: Kalashnikov Presents New Pistol for Russian Military

    Visitors of the Army-2015 exhibition in the Moscow Region queued to examine a new pistol presented by the Kalashnikov Company.

    The PL-14 is a 9x19mm pistol developed for force structures. The member of the Russian Security Service (FSB) and shooting sportsmen participated in the development of the weapon, which resulted in its ergonomics and convenience.


    never handled any guns but i suspect this one would shoot fine, looks good to boot too.

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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Mon Jun 22, 2015 10:07 am

    HEhe CK willing to compete on the "next-gen" pistol market. Looks nice, shoots probably Very good. Is, however, 4 years late and 100gr too lardy. Although I'll take it it over the Strike one. I don't get why it isn't Baikal that trades this one over Kalashnikov.


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    Re: Russian Military Pistols Thread:

    Post  Regular on Mon Jun 22, 2015 8:14 pm

    Looks more like competitive shooting pistol.
    Whats wrong with Strike?

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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Mon Jun 22, 2015 9:36 pm

    Regular wrote:Looks more like competitive shooting pistol.
    Whats wrong with Strike?
    Nothing but the fact it is a joint venture. Thus prone to sanctions. Albeit it is assembled in Russia some parts are currently made in Austria. It's a world class weapon. Period. I just like the lebed berger.

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    Re: Russian Military Pistols Thread:

    Post  TheArmenian on Tue Jun 23, 2015 10:42 am

    IMHO this new pistol is a waste of time and effort.

    The military and paramilitary applications of pistols is limited and insignificant. Russia has enough good pistols (Yaryagin, GSh-18 and even Makarov PM) to do the job. A new pistol that is a little bit better won't make a difference.

    The civilian market (target shooting, IPSC etc.) for the new pistol is also insignificant. The biggest market is the West and they are sanctioning the Russian firearms. The domestic market is minimal (only shooting clubs can have it, individuals are not allowed).

    The money that went into this pistol should have gone to develop other weapon systems that are more necessary and economically more advantageous.


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    Re: Russian Military Pistols Thread:

    Post  GarryB on Wed Jun 24, 2015 2:03 am

    I agree... if you can't carry a rifle or short rifle carbine like AKS-74U then a SMG is the next best thing, while a pistol is an expensive token weapon...


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    Re: Russian Military Pistols Thread:

    Post  Cyberspec on Wed Jun 24, 2015 3:51 am

    I sort of agree but I think Military Officers and Policemen will continue to carry pistols for a while yet....I can't see them going around with SMG's in their everyday duties.

    Whether they need another type of pistol? ...probably not....but it's good to keep the designers busy I guess

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    Re: Russian Military Pistols Thread:

    Post  flamming_python on Wed Jun 24, 2015 11:22 am

    I disagree, police & military officers all around the world use pistols; SF too. I'm sure that any given time a few countries would be in the market for one.

    Moreover this is the sort of minor purchase that would have few political strings attached, pistols would largely be judged on their merit; so Russia can potentially sell to anyone (I believe even some European countries could consider them).

    Loss of the US market is a shame but not the end of the industry.

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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Wed Sep 16, 2015 6:59 pm

    It looks like there's going to be a new pistol competition to replace the Makarov, between a submission from TSNIITOCHMASH, KBP Tula and concern "Kalashnikov". TSNIITOCHMASH's submission will be in the 9x21 mm caliber, and state trials will start in late 2015, and end in late 2016:

    Experts TSNIITOCHMASH created alternative Makarov pistol and Yarigina

    ...It looks the Russia and the US have the same problem. It's seems like every few years both countries announce new competitions to replace their long standard issue pistol side arm (Makarov and Berreta M9 respectively) lol!

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    Post  Werewolf on Wed Sep 16, 2015 8:40 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:It looks like there's going to be a new pistol competition to replace the Makarov, between a submission from TSNIITOCHMASH, KBP Tula and concern "Kalashnikov".  TSNIITOCHMASH's submission will be in the 9x21 mm caliber, and state trials will start in late 2015, and end in late 2016:

    Experts TSNIITOCHMASH created alternative Makarov pistol and Yarigina

    ...It looks the Russia and the US have the same problem. It's seems like every few years both countries announce new competitions to replace their long standard issue pistol side arm (Makarov and Berreta M9 respectively) lol!

    Always the same, high cost for almost no boost in actual performance, because those who usually use pistols in the militaries are MP's and officers who are usually not frontline soldiers anyway, so basically wasted money while several other fields were improvement is significant can be put to good use instead wasting for a prestige weapon around someones belt which has little of performance boost for isolated non important situations.

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    Re: Russian Military Pistols Thread:

    Post  George1 on Thu Aug 18, 2016 5:24 pm

    Russian Armed Forces to receive new pistol in 2017

    The new firearm has a highly powerful 9x21 caliber cartridge


    MOSCOW, August 16. /TASS/. Preliminary trials of a new pistol for the Russian Defense Ministry have been completed and mass-produced supplies may start in 2017, CEO of the Central Research Institute of Precision Machine-Building (TsNIITochMash) Dmitry Semizorov announced on Tuesday.

    Currently, the Makarov is the most popular pistol in the Russian Armed Forces. Special security units and other law-enforcement agencies use the 9x18 caliber Stechkin automatic pistol.

    Russian special forces are currently being rearmed with a more powerful 9x21 caliber Serdyukov (SR-1) pistol. The Russian defense industry has been assigned the task of mass producing the 9x21 caliber firearm so it could replace the Makarov.

    "Now preliminary trials have come to an end. In autumn, we’ll start running state tests, which we should complete by the end of this year and mass production will start next year, if the Defense Ministry makes the relevant decision," the CEO explained.

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    "The new firearm selected has a highly powerful 9x21 caliber cartridge. We have the respective experience - that is the Serdyukov pistol. However, the firearm being developed today incorporates new technical solutions so that it can be mass produced and can replace outdated versions," he noted.

    The head of the firearm developer earlier told TASS that the Institute had invited industrial designers as part of this effort to focus on ergonomic requirements for the weapon: the pistol should stay easily in the hand, be convenient in aiming and so forth.

    The Institute has also carried out work on the pistol’s materials, the arrangement of the trigger and striking mechanism and the safety lock, he added.


    More:
    http://tass.com/defense/894590


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    Re: Russian Military Pistols Thread:

    Post  GarryB on Fri Aug 19, 2016 11:51 am

    Well if they have to replace the 9 x 18mm calibre I am pleased they chose a more powerful round than the 9 x 19mm NATO round... considering NATO is trying to replace the 9 x 19mm round for a more effective cartridge.

    The 9 x 21mm round has been tested in combat in both the SR-1 pistol and the SR-2 SMG and it reportedly is very effective even against targets with body armour.

    It is no super calibre, and wont be as effective in the real world as pistols are in computer games and movies and TV shows, but it should be a good calibre for close protection for those few that need a small weapon for self protection.

    I guess if the military is to adopt the 9 x 21mm calibre to replace the old 9 x 18mm calibre then that means both the Makarov and Stechkin will need replacement, and also the various SMGs previously shown in 9 x 18mm and 9 x 19mm calibre will also need to be replaced with 9 x 21mm calibre versions.

    Weapons like Kedr/Klin will likely need a serious redesign for the rather more powerful cartridge, and Kashtan would need to be adapted to the new cartridge and of course the Vityaz-SN would only need minor changes to take the more powerful round and the Bizon too.


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