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UAVs in Russian Armed Forces: News
TheArmenian- Posts : 1880
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George1- Posts : 18315
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Russia’s New S-300M Drone: The Ultimate Reconnaissance Tool
PapaDragon- Posts : 13272
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''UAV flight test centre''
http://twower.livejournal.com/1741821.html
2SPOOKY4U- Posts : 276
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This was definitely built as a weapon first.
Most likely for small scale warfare.
Kudos to whoever posted the photo, Morpheus?
PapaDragon- Posts : 13272
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Fu*king finally!!!! 
''New Russian Reconnaissance-Strike Drone to Be Unveiled at MAKS Airshow''
http://sputniknews.com/military/20150806/1025462501.html
Now, any word on Altus UAV?
''New Russian Reconnaissance-Strike Drone to Be Unveiled at MAKS Airshow''
http://sputniknews.com/military/20150806/1025462501.html
Now, any word on Altus UAV?
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PapaDragon wrote:Fu*king finally!!!!
''New Russian Reconnaissance-Strike Drone to Be Unveiled at MAKS Airshow''
http://sputniknews.com/military/20150806/1025462501.html
Now, any word on Altus UAV?
I hope it's going to be the real thing and not just a mock up?
If they do a testflight of this thing during the show then thats going to be awesome
GarryB- Posts : 38984
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What is the hurry?
If they had one in active service right now... where would they use it where all its capabilities are actually needed?
I am sure this will be a useful vehicle for them, but I rather think that a simplified export model might be of greater interest to Russias allies and customers... ie Syria, Iraq... even Libya, and other countries like Vietnam and Iran where a low cost unmanned patrol aircraft would be useful.
For Russia itself, a long range low cost drone would be a valuable addition to the Aerospace forces and the Army as well as other branches like the MVD and FSB.
If they had one in active service right now... where would they use it where all its capabilities are actually needed?
I am sure this will be a useful vehicle for them, but I rather think that a simplified export model might be of greater interest to Russias allies and customers... ie Syria, Iraq... even Libya, and other countries like Vietnam and Iran where a low cost unmanned patrol aircraft would be useful.
For Russia itself, a long range low cost drone would be a valuable addition to the Aerospace forces and the Army as well as other branches like the MVD and FSB.
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Vladimir79 wrote:Negotiations on the production in Russia Israeli drone suspended
good news at last !
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GunshipDemocracy wrote:Vladimir79 wrote:Negotiations on the production in Russia Israeli drone suspended
good news at last !
Dude that news is from 5 years ago
PapaDragon- Posts : 13272
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''Meet Chirok: Russia's Unique Hybrid Amphibious Drone''
http://sputniknews.com/science/20150817/1025838228.html
2SPOOKY4U- Posts : 276
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PapaDragon wrote:
''Meet Chirok: Russia's Unique Hybrid Amphibious Drone''
http://sputniknews.com/science/20150817/1025838228.html
Enter production in 2006?
Time machine confirmed.
In all seriousness, I am glad it did not turn out to be a model.
GarryB- Posts : 38984
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The fact that it is sitting on a support structure suggests it is a flying boat, not an amphibious aircraft.
(Flying boats only operate on water and have no wheels)
(Flying boats only operate on water and have no wheels)
PapaDragon- Posts : 13272
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GarryB wrote:The fact that it is sitting on a support structure suggests it is a flying boat, not an amphibious aircraft.
(Flying boats only operate on water and have no wheels)
Journalist amateurism strikes again.
This UAV is actually aircraft/ hovercraft combo. It should be able to land on any surface. This is probably just a preview pic of first testbed, hence the supports....
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Never take anything journalists post at face value - thats what i have learned for all those years...
But im really looking forward to see what the strike / recon UAV will be... i just do hope it wont be a recon with a single pylon able to fly one 100 kg bomb...
They need MALE and HALE UAVS badly... and even to send them to Syria for battlefield experience...
But im really looking forward to see what the strike / recon UAV will be... i just do hope it wont be a recon with a single pylon able to fly one 100 kg bomb...
They need MALE and HALE UAVS badly... and even to send them to Syria for battlefield experience...
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Figured I would quote this post from back in January, since it shows the inflated skirt (and general configuration) better...
George1 wrote:Sample of Hovercraft Drone “Chirok” Ready for Testing
The first full-length sample of reconnaissance and strike Russian hovercraft UAV “Chirok” is preparing for test flights, a source in the United instrument-making corporation (part of Rostec) said.
“Last year the layout of “Chirok” was presented at the scale of 1:5, and now the full-scale model is ready with the wingspan of ten meters. Now the “Chirok” is brought to the mind and is preparing for the flight tests,” the source said to TASS.
We recall that innovative unmanned aerial vehicle “Chirok” has been presented in July last year at the international exhibition of technologies “Innoprom”. It is noted that the device has no analogues in the world; the hovercraft drones are not commercially available.
Russia Develops Two New Drones, Ready for Testing
The Russian United Instrument Corporation has constructed two new "Chirok" drones, they are ready for testing, a source at UIC told RIA Novosti Friday.
MOSCOW, January 23 (Sputnik) — The Russian United Instrument Corporation (UIC) has constructed two prototype versions of reconnaissance and strike drones, code-named "Chirok," and is currently preparing them for tests, a source at UIC told RIA Novosti Friday.
The source explained that currently there are three models of reconnaissance and strike drones (RSD) "Chirok." One of these is a mock-up copy, two others are full-sized models with a payload weight limit of up to 300 kilograms. At the moment they are being prepared for flight tests, the source told RIA Novosti.
One of the full-size copies could be presented in summer 2015 during the International Aviation and Space Salon (MAKS), in Zhukovsky city, in the Moscow Region, the source said.
RSD Chirok was developed by the Moscow Research Radio Engineering Institute. The maximum takeoff weight of the drone is 700 kilograms. The drone can rise to a height of 6,000 meters (approximately 19,600 feet), and has a range of up to 2,500 kilometers (approximately 1,550 miles). Chirok can carry weapons inside the fuselage, improving aerodynamics and stealth characteristics.
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OK, some fresh details and explanations on Chirok (from Sputnik Serbia of all places
):''Developer Reveals New Details of 'Chirok' Flying Hovercraft Drone''
http://sputniknews.com/science/20150818/1025893608/russia-rostec-multirole-hovercraft-drone-details.html
In short:
-started as manned project in mid 90's but cancelled, hence crappy old photo with supports and cockpit
-project restarted recently by Rostec as UAV and manned crafts
-low radar signature
-10 meter wingspan, 300kg ordinance load
This will not be premier recon/strike UAV for VVS, that job will be handled by Altus, but Army would definitely be interested in this because they can use in anywhere/anytime since it does not need runway at all.
Any hard or liquid surface will do the job.
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the hovercraft undercarriage suggests a more tactical role than a strategic or long range recon role.
I rather suspect it will use its 300kg payload capacity to fly ammo and fuel and weapons and food to front line units or isolated fire bases... with the capacity to fly out wounded or individuals in an emergency.
think of those hill top bases in afghanistan that were supplied by Mi-17 helicopters to deliver mail and fuel and ammo and bring in and take out the odd soldier when needed.
Of course a large flat open area would allow it to land and take off easily which is not common on a hill top, but flat ground below the position or a plateau could be used for such a purpose... and of course on a big flat open plain it wont be a problem.
I don't think Russias need is urgent for such an aircraft, but in Syria and Iraq such platforms would be valuable to the fight against ISIS, and both the Russian developers and Russian military would learn a lot an the local forces would benefit greatly too.
I hope it is not just UAVs that are being developed and customised weapons are being created... the Krisantema for instance is already in the field in Libya if not in Syria and Iraq and would be a useful weapon from a high altitude launch if the optics were upgraded to allow for extra long range use.
Equally a 50kg guided bomb will localise damage to a much smaller area so point targets can be hit without fear of harming non combatants and third parties.
I would add low flying drones to the mix... give them light armament like a MG with lots of ammo and armour protection and have them fly low over the battlefield drawing fire from the enemy forces to expose enemy positions. Lots will be shot down and they should be simple cheap models that are totally expendible... even with a small HE charge to destroy remaining ammo and the PKM gun mount if shot down so the enemy does not benefit. They can waste their MANPADS on them too.
Higher flying UCAVs that will be much larger can find the threats and deal with them using 50kg or even 20kg or 10kg guided bombs... or even based on existing cluster bomb munitions like the 2.5kg OAB-2.5PT fragmentation munition or the 50kg OFAB-50UD HE fragmentation munition, plus non wire guided anti tank missiles like Shturm, Ataka, Krisantema, and Kornet would have accuracy and speed to arrive without warning and hit small stationary and moving targets. the option for HE and HEAT warheads means hard and soft targets can be engaged efficiently from standoff range.
the low flying drones could have a fibre optic mesh embedded in its outer skin so impacts by bullets can be measured via their impact points and exit points along with the position of the drone and its orientation to pin point the origin of the ground fire to locate threats on the ground.
I rather suspect it will use its 300kg payload capacity to fly ammo and fuel and weapons and food to front line units or isolated fire bases... with the capacity to fly out wounded or individuals in an emergency.
think of those hill top bases in afghanistan that were supplied by Mi-17 helicopters to deliver mail and fuel and ammo and bring in and take out the odd soldier when needed.
Of course a large flat open area would allow it to land and take off easily which is not common on a hill top, but flat ground below the position or a plateau could be used for such a purpose... and of course on a big flat open plain it wont be a problem.
They need MALE and HALE UAVS badly... and even to send them to Syria for battlefield experience...
I don't think Russias need is urgent for such an aircraft, but in Syria and Iraq such platforms would be valuable to the fight against ISIS, and both the Russian developers and Russian military would learn a lot an the local forces would benefit greatly too.
I hope it is not just UAVs that are being developed and customised weapons are being created... the Krisantema for instance is already in the field in Libya if not in Syria and Iraq and would be a useful weapon from a high altitude launch if the optics were upgraded to allow for extra long range use.
Equally a 50kg guided bomb will localise damage to a much smaller area so point targets can be hit without fear of harming non combatants and third parties.
I would add low flying drones to the mix... give them light armament like a MG with lots of ammo and armour protection and have them fly low over the battlefield drawing fire from the enemy forces to expose enemy positions. Lots will be shot down and they should be simple cheap models that are totally expendible... even with a small HE charge to destroy remaining ammo and the PKM gun mount if shot down so the enemy does not benefit. They can waste their MANPADS on them too.
Higher flying UCAVs that will be much larger can find the threats and deal with them using 50kg or even 20kg or 10kg guided bombs... or even based on existing cluster bomb munitions like the 2.5kg OAB-2.5PT fragmentation munition or the 50kg OFAB-50UD HE fragmentation munition, plus non wire guided anti tank missiles like Shturm, Ataka, Krisantema, and Kornet would have accuracy and speed to arrive without warning and hit small stationary and moving targets. the option for HE and HEAT warheads means hard and soft targets can be engaged efficiently from standoff range.
the low flying drones could have a fibre optic mesh embedded in its outer skin so impacts by bullets can be measured via their impact points and exit points along with the position of the drone and its orientation to pin point the origin of the ground fire to locate threats on the ground.
PapaDragon- Posts : 13272
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Which one? Diesel fuel?
"Russia to display its first-ever drone at MAKS 2015 aerospace show"
http://tass.ru/en/russia/815832
mutantsushi- Posts : 283
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What is your question/confusion re: diesel fuel?PapaDragon wrote:Which one? Diesel fuel?
"Russia to display its first-ever drone at MAKS 2015 aerospace show"
http://tass.ru/en/russia/815832
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mutantsushi wrote:What is your question/confusion re: diesel fuel?PapaDragon wrote:Which one? Diesel fuel?
"Russia to display its first-ever drone at MAKS 2015 aerospace show"
http://tass.ru/en/russia/815832
Which drone will they display?
Diesel fuel in aircraft is not really usual AFAIK so I'm bit confused about it.
mutantsushi- Posts : 283
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Seems like it's all the rage in UAV development world-wide,
existing UAVs are even re-engined for diesel engines because of the increase in range/loiter... (and I guess lower maintenance)
Actual fuel used may in some cases be jet fuels for highest fuel energy density but the engine is piston compression ignition ala diesel...
existing UAVs are even re-engined for diesel engines because of the increase in range/loiter... (and I guess lower maintenance)
Actual fuel used may in some cases be jet fuels for highest fuel energy density but the engine is piston compression ignition ala diesel...
PapaDragon- Posts : 13272
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Any news or pics about UAVs from MAKS?
Show's been on for two days and we barely had any news at all. Come to think of it, we barely had any photos of any new stuff.
No UAVs, no spacecraft, nothing but standard stuff...
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"Kronstadt": testing a new drone will take place before the end of the year
http://ria.ru/maks/20150827/1210110406.html
1 ton mass, 300kg payload. Should be in predator ballpark...
EDIT:
http://ria.ru/maks/20150827/1210110406.html
1 ton mass, 300kg payload. Should be in predator ballpark...
EDIT:
Last edited by PapaDragon on Thu Aug 27, 2015 5:15 pm; edited 1 time in total
PapaDragon- Posts : 13272
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Also by Kronstadt:
http://missiles2go.ru/2015/08/20/%d0%ba%d1%80%d0%be%d0%bd%d1%88%d1%82%d0%b0%d0%b4%d1%82-%d0%b1%d0%bb%d0%b0-%d1%84%d1%80%d0%b5%d0%b3%d0%b0%d1%82-%d0%bc%d0%b0%d0%ba%d1%812015/
That drone in the back could be ''Orion UAV'' from previous post.
http://missiles2go.ru/2015/08/20/%d0%ba%d1%80%d0%be%d0%bd%d1%88%d1%82%d0%b0%d0%b4%d1%82-%d0%b1%d0%bb%d0%b0-%d1%84%d1%80%d0%b5%d0%b3%d0%b0%d1%82-%d0%bc%d0%b0%d0%ba%d1%812015/
Characteristics:
Promising UAVs require no airfield-based "Fregat"
Swipe - 19 m
Swipe with folded consoles - 10 m
Height - 3.1 m
The flight duration - 10 hours
Practical range - 5000 km
Max. payload at take-off of an aircraft - 1700 kg
Max. payload for a vertical take-off - 1,000 kg
Take-off weight, vertical takeoff - 7000 kg
Flight speed range - 0 ... 600 km / h
Maximum height - 8000 m
That drone in the back could be ''Orion UAV'' from previous post.
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Drone supposedly designed by Msyashev
http://nortwolf-sam.livejournal.com/1009188.html
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