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    Post  AMCXXL Sat Dec 03, 2022 2:37 pm

    @George1

    @AMCXXL

    do you know what will happen with the 3 Il-76MD-90A special-purpose aircrafts? AWACS?

    well you have to distinguish between planes produced by Aviastar and planes delivered to the VKS

    the serian numbers starts in 0101 and end in 0302, this is 22 airframes

    0101 was static test airframe while 0106 and 0107 was cancelled

    then 19 airplanes have been produced

    you must discount the prototypes of Il-476 (s/n 0102), A-100 (s/n 0103) and Il-478 (s/n 0201)

    then you have 16 Il-476 produced

    the first of this 16 , s/n 0104 RF-78652 was sent to Taganrog ,perhaps for convert in A-100, however in 2021 reeturned to Uyanovsk and was painted in VTA colour, for the moment there are not information if this airplane has been transferred to VKS or will remain for trials in the factory

    the last unit 0302 roll out in 29-nov and srill is not transferred to VKS so you have 14 in the ranks of VKS today

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    Post  AMCXXL Tue Dec 06, 2022 12:25 pm

    Another modernized Il-76MD-M in Zhukovsky RF-76772

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    Post  George1 Tue Dec 06, 2022 4:27 pm

    AMCXXL wrote: Another modernized Il-76MD-M in Zhukovsky RF-76772

    how many are the modernized so far?
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    Post  AMCXXL Tue Dec 06, 2022 9:07 pm

    @George1
    how many are the modernized so far?

    Apart from the prototype (76746) that was transferred and is part of the "PAO-IL Aviastar" this is the 5º IL-76MD-M identified of the VKS
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    However, most of these photos are taken in Zhukovsky, which is where they are modernizing, so most of them have not yet entered service.

    I am only aware of two in the 81st Regiment at Ivanovo:
    RF-78837 (2020) and RF-76545 (2021)

    The other three, so far, have only been seen at Zhukovsky in the process of modernization and testing.
    RF-78788, RF-76765 and RF-76772
    However other Il-76MD-M was transfered to VKS last month, so it is possible that is one of these three

    Since very few photos have been coming out for a year due to the Special Military Operation, it is very difficult to ensure anything exactly

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    Post  AMCXXL Wed Dec 07, 2022 11:19 am

    RF-78667 s/n 03-02 in the air on 4th december.
    The 5th IL-476 this year, but it is not clear that it will be delivered before the end of the year
    The previous airplane was seen in the air on 3th november, so only 31 days difference, production  speed continues to increase

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    Post  AMCXXL Tue Dec 20, 2022 3:51 pm

    Another Il-76MD-M in Zukhovsky, RF-76668
    https://www.jetphotos.com/photo/10807262
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    Post  AMCXXL Sat Dec 24, 2022 7:44 am

    New image of Orenburg with 27 Il-76, this confirms that the composition of the regiments is being changed to 3 squadrons. Previously there were about 22 planes in each regiment: 2 squadrons of 9 and a section of 4 planes from 224º LO (Flight Detachment with civil license with western standards to fly abroad).

    It also explains the reason for the  contracts for 13 and 14 airplanes, which give precisely 27 for 3 squadrons.
    The two aircraft for training in addition to the prototype, would come out of the first contract for 3, so the aircraft 01-04 RF-78652 will probably also be delivered to the VKS (since 2021 it is in Ulyanovsk)

    On the Il-78M-90A tankers, 10 were contracted, probably 1 for training and 9 for one squadron.

    I am inclined to think that each regiment equipped with new aircraft could have 2 squadrons of Il-476 and 1 squadron of dual use tanker/transport with Il-478

    Then Ulyanovsk will receive 18 Il-476 and the other 9 could go to Sescha that needs one Il-476 squadron and the other two are An-124

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    Post  AMCXXL Sat Dec 31, 2022 5:22 am

    yesterday at 12:37 p.m.
    We report on the state defense order!
    At the end of December, a branch of PJSC Il - Aviastar manufactured and handed over to the Russian Aerospace Forces a new military transport aircraft Il-76MD-90A, which completes the delivery of VTA aircraft this year.
    The enterprise has increased the volume of output, reaching the rate of production of five aircraft per year.
    Also, the specialists of the enterprises of PJSC "Il" performed work on the modernization of Il-76MD combat aircraft to the appearance of Il-76MD-M.
    https://www.uacrussia.ru/ru/press-center/news/oak-vyp..
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    This is the RF-78667 that made first fly on december 4.

    Then 5 airplanes Il-476 received in 2022, and also probably a couple of Il-76MD-M

    The previous airplane handed over on november 28th, 33 days of difference, so the current speed is 11 Il-476 per year
    We will see if the production chain can keep up with the deliveries of the last 3 months and get approximately one plane out each month.

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    Post  George1 Sat Dec 31, 2022 1:21 pm

    so all 13 of first order delivered. I peak for the transoprts only, not other versions (tanker, awacs)
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    Post  AMCXXL Sat Dec 31, 2022 2:00 pm

    George1 wrote:

    so all 13 of first order delivered. I peak for the transoprts only, not other versions (tanker, awacs)

    the tankers are built as tankers with their own contracts, while A-100 is a Il-76MD-90A transfered to Beriev to reform as AWACS

    this is the first of the order for 14

    first order of 3: 78651 (transformed into prototype A-100), RF-78652 (status unclear, at the end, probably also will be transfered to VKS), and RF-78653
    order of 13: RF-78654 to RF-78666
    order of 14: RF-78667

    then 15 Il-476 in VKS: 2 in Ivanovo 610º TsBPiPLS and 13 in Ulyanovsk 235º VTAP

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    Post  Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E Mon Mar 06, 2023 10:05 pm

    At the Ulyanovsk Aircraft Plant, a man died while testing the fuselage of the Il-76
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    Post  Podlodka77 Tue May 30, 2023 10:46 am

    May 30, 10:15 am
    The Ministry of Defense handed over the modernized military transport aircraft Il-76MD-90A
    The United Aircraft Corporation noted that the aircraft was created from domestic components

    MOSCOW, May 30. /TASS/. The upgraded Il-76MD-90A military transport aircraft, after flight and ground tests, was handed over to the customer - the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, the press service of the United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) said on Tuesday.

    "The new heavy military transport aircraft Il-76MD-90A, manufactured by Aviastar, a branch of Il PJSC (part of the Rostec United Aircraft Corporation), has been handed over to the customer - the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation," the UAC said in a statement.

    The corporation noted that the Il-76MD-90A was created from domestic components. "The upgraded aircraft has improved main characteristics compared to previous versions. In particular, the flight range and carrying load have been increased, as well as the accuracy of aircraft navigation and landing, and the quality of radio communications," the UAC added.

    They noted that the ground and flight tests of the aircraft were successful, on time. The new transporter has replenished the air regiment of military transport aviation.

    Several Il-76MD-90A transport aircraft are in production at Aviastar in varying degrees of readiness, as envisaged by the production program for 2023

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    Post  George1 Tue May 30, 2023 12:16 pm

    Podlodka77 wrote:May 30, 10:15 am
    The Ministry of Defense handed over the modernized military transport aircraft Il-76MD-90A
    The United Aircraft Corporation noted that the aircraft was created from domestic components

    MOSCOW, May 30. /TASS/. The upgraded Il-76MD-90A military transport aircraft, after flight and ground tests, was handed over to the customer - the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, the press service of the United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) said on Tuesday.

    "The new heavy military transport aircraft Il-76MD-90A, manufactured by Aviastar, a branch of Il PJSC (part of the Rostec United Aircraft Corporation), has been handed over to the customer - the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation," the UAC said in a statement.

    The corporation noted that the Il-76MD-90A was created from domestic components. "The upgraded aircraft has improved main characteristics compared to previous versions. In particular, the flight range and carrying load have been increased, as well as the accuracy of aircraft navigation and landing, and the quality of radio communications," the UAC added.

    They noted that the ground and flight tests of the aircraft were successful, on time. The new transporter has replenished the air regiment of military transport aviation.

    Several Il-76MD-90A transport aircraft are in production at Aviastar in varying degrees of readiness, as envisaged by the production program for 2023

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    so 14th in service

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    Post  Podlodka77 Tue May 30, 2023 12:55 pm

    To George1

    Yes, it seems that the Il-76MD-90A as well as the Su-57 are slowly coming out of the "grey" zone and the production of these two aircraft is starting at a steady pace.
    It remains to be seen what the future holds for the Il-112 and Il-276.
    I think that even the Su-75 (especially S-70 "Okhotnik") will go into serial production sooner than the two mentioned transport planes.
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    Post  AMCXXL Tue May 30, 2023 2:05 pm

    George1 wrote:
    so 14th in service

    if this is the first plane of this year, is RF-78668 , then is the 16th Il-76MD-90A in service

    Podlodka77 wrote:

    Yes, it seems that the Il-76MD-90A as well as the Su-57 are slowly coming out of the "grey" zone and the production of these two aircraft is starting at a steady pace.
    It remains to be seen what the future holds for the Il-112 and Il-276.
    I think that even the Su-75 (especially S-70 "Okhotnik") will go into serial production sooner than the two mentioned transport planes.

    Il-276 is suspended or cancelled, Il-112V for the moment is frozen and there are no news about new prototypes. I don't think there will be news until the war in Ukraine ends

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Tue May 30, 2023 3:18 pm

    AMCXXL wrote:

    Podlodka77 wrote:
    Yes, it seems that the Il-76MD-90A as well as the Su-57 are slowly coming out of the "grey" zone and the production of these two aircraft is starting at a steady pace.
    It remains to be seen what the future holds for the Il-112 and Il-276.

    Il-276 is suspended or cancelled, Il-112V for the moment is frozen and there are no news about new prototypes. I don't think there will be news until the war in Ukraine ends
    unfortunately there are no news, and not even on the Tu-330.

    As far as the il-112v, maybe Russia want also to see what they can achieve with the Ladoga (which has also a 5tons payload, even if for the moment there is no version with rear ramp and has a narrower hold in comparison to the il-112v (same as the one on the An-140) and possibly they could be interested in doing a stretched and larger version of the il-112v powered by the new 4000/5000 hp turboprop engines that are in development.

    By the way, they could even do a proper An-12 replacement if they did a 20 to 25 tons payload aircraft powered by 4 PDV-4000, and it would actually be a nice project in addition (as a complement, not as a replacement) to a larger turbofan powered Tu-330.

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    Post  GarryB Wed May 31, 2023 5:11 am

    All this speculation about cancellations have no official confirmation that I have ever read.

    It is only internetzines that have made claims, but the claims don't make sense.

    A replacement for the An-12 is needed and the Il-276 was suggested because it is the quickest and easiest option available right now.

    One person on the internet claims that has been cancelled... why are we believing them without official confirmation from UAC or the Russian government?

    The problems with the Il-112V are with the integration of the engine and whether a more powerful engine might be used... we have already had the report about the accident which showed it was not the engine or the aircraft at fault but things that could be done differently on test aircraft... ie more fire extinguishers and some pointing at the wing near the engine as well as the engine would be a good one.

    The aircraft is already mostly ready but a few members here have the problem that foreign aircraft in a similar class and slimmer and have better performance... ignoring the fact that the Il-112V is better than the aircraft it is replacing and unlike those foreign types it is a Russian design.

    They can worry about improving performance later on.

    You don't improve performance without a cost and if improved performance is not needed then why pay that cost.

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    Post  lancelot Wed May 31, 2023 10:32 am

    The thing with the Il-112V engine is that they forced it so much that they made it highly unreliable. The engine basically melted itself in that fateful flight. While proper fire extinguishing in the airplane might have saved the aircraft, assuming they could take it down safely with just a single engine powering it, that would have been far from guaranteed. For comparison the original TV7-117S engine had 2800hp max takeoff and the forced TV7-117ST-01 variant used in the Il-112V has 3100hp max takeoff with 3600hp emergency power.

    I agree that there is no good confirmation that the Il-276 project was actually cancelled. It might have been delayed, for example until PD-14M engine is available or after Il-112V entered service, but I see no reason for cancelling that program.

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Wed May 31, 2023 3:57 pm

    lancelot wrote:
    I agree that there is no good confirmation that the Il-276 project was actually cancelled. It might have been delayed, for example until PD-14M engine is available or after Il-112V entered service, but I see no reason for cancelling that program.
    The advantage of the il-276 would be the commonalities with the il-76, as it is basically a shortened version with only two engines.

    One of reasons why I do not like it, is that "on paper" it had already worse performances (range and max payload) of similar sized aircraft which have similar engines.
    Basically it has at max payload (20tons) just slightly more than half (2000km Vs 3600 km) the range of the An-12 it should be replacing.

    I cannot understand why the original il-76 with four D-30 engines with12 tons takeoff thrust had 42 tons of payload, the Il-76MD-90A with 4 PD-90 engines rated at 14.5 tons takeoff has 60 tons of payload while the il-76 with two 15.6 tons takeoff thrust engines has only 20 tons of payload with limited range.

    It has also worse range and payload than the Brazilian KC-390 which has two 14 tons takeoff thrust engines (basically 12 %less power than the PD-14M).

    By the way, the project started as il-214 to replace the Indian An-32, so maybe the performances are underwhelming for that reason.

    I do not know if it has been delayed because of the lack of PD-14M, however the PS90 was available and if there was the urgency, for a military transport aircraft a slightly higher consumption would not be a show stopper.

    Furthermore earlier Russia did not have a modern turboprop engine to replace the Ivchenko Ai-20 turboprop of the An-12, but now the PDV-4000 is in development and possibly it will be ready around the same time as the PD-14M or PD-16, so now a turboprop powered aircraft could be again in discussion, not to speak of an even more powerful turboprop derived from the PD-8  (there is already an helicopter turboshaft engine that is being derived from that, to replace the 8500kW (11400 hp) Progress D-136 engine of the Mi-26).

    Furthermore, if Russia had to choose only one between the il-276 and the Tu-330, i would much prefer to bet on the Tu-330 and possibly develop a new turboprop transport aircraft to cover the niche between the 5 tons payload An-26 replacement (il-112 or whatever) and the 35 tons payload Tu-330.

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    Post  GarryB Thu Jun 01, 2023 2:58 am

    The thing with the Il-112V engine is that they forced it so much that they made it highly unreliable.

    The engine didn't fail as such, it caught fire and the fire spread to the wing where the fire extinguishers could not reach the flames so they continued to burn inside the wing.

    The crash happened because the auto feather mechanism failed so the engine that was shut down became a massive airbrake... any small plane at low altitude at low speeds deploys an airbrake that size is going to crash... engine reliability does not come into the equation.

    The engine basically melted itself in that fateful flight.

    Well it rolled into the ground so one of the engines was working just fine, and it was on fire for some time.

    The fact that they had problems on one prototype engine with a crash and not multiple crashes with different types suggests there was something wrong with the set up on that particular aircraft or the fault that caused the fire was exacerbated by the way it was fitted because the report mentioned it should have had six fire extinguishers per engine and the four that were installed were all directed at the engine and not into the wing where the fire spread to.

    While proper fire extinguishing in the airplane might have saved the aircraft, assuming they could take it down safely with just a single engine powering it, that would have been far from guaranteed.

    With the problem that caused the crash being the fire I would say the proper number of fire extinguishers and pointed in suitable directions is exactly the solution that would have saved the engine... the engine didn't stop working... it caught fire... and didn't autofeather.

    For comparison the original TV7-117S engine had 2800hp max takeoff and the forced TV7-117ST-01 variant used in the Il-112V has 3100hp max takeoff with 3600hp emergency power.

    They increase the power of engines all the time, this was a boosted power version, not a normal engine used beyond its capacity.

    I agree that there is no good confirmation that the Il-276 project was actually cancelled. It might have been delayed, for example until PD-14M engine is available or after Il-112V entered service, but I see no reason for cancelling that program.

    Cancelling it simply does not make sense because a replacement is actually needed now more than ever.

    In our discussions Mir has pointed out lots of very successful aircraft designs that were enlarged or reduced sized versions of existing types that ended up giving excellent service, in fact you could argue that the Il-276 is a reduced size version of an enlarged version of the Il-76 called the Il-476.

    But having two jet transports with the same cargo space dimensions except for length is a very good idea... anything that fits into an Il-276 will fit an Il-76 or Il-476 in terms of width and height.

    I personally think the An-12 was widely used and very popular and a replacement type can be two aircraft with slightly different performance and dimensions.

    The Il-276 makes sense because factories that make Il-476s could make both types and setting up extra factories would mean faster production of both types and you could vary production because the western alternatives to both types... C-17 and upgraded C-130s and A400Ms are fragile and very very expensive and having an Il-276 in the 20 ton payload capacity range... with the same engines as the Il-476 perhaps or maybe an increased power model that might carry 25 to 30 tons if you don't operate Il-476s or if engine commonality is not important, but having an Il-476 in the 60 ton payload capacity range with the same engines would be very useful to a lot of countries.

    Here in New Zealand we have had the C-130 Hercules for many years and while it is reliable it is no pressurised so you fly through the weather and not over it and also it is a bit slow, but our real problem is that it is a theatre transport plane with a good payload or a long range transport plane with a much smaller load.

    If we put a BMP in our C-130s it can barely make Australia, so we ship our BMPs normally.

    If we had Il-76s instead we could fly directly to the Pacific Islands and Australia easily and not have to bunny hop from Island to Island using up their expensive precious fuel... on Pacific Islands everything needs to be flown or shipped so any fuel you need there is expensive unless you bring it yourself.

    With C-130s we use up their fuel, with heavier longer ranged aircraft like an Il-76 we could use our own and deliver some for them as well.

    An Il-276 will be smaller and lighter and cheaper to operate than an Il-76 and would have the weight capacity we would want, but I think the bigger aircraft would be more useful, especially on exercise with allies... our allies weren't impressed with our Skyhawk fighters, but having transport planes would actually be rather useful and popular... but obviously we can't afford US or European equivalents and would not be allowed Russian or Chinese stuff.

    One of reasons why I do not like it, is that "on paper" it had already worse performances (range and max payload) of similar sized aircraft which have similar engines.
    Basically it has at max payload (20tons) just slightly more than half (2000km Vs 3600 km) the range of the An-12 it should be replacing.

    There is no reason why they couldn't give it more powerful engines and increase the weights to allow more fuel to be carried... all through the Il-76s life it got upgrades that increased MTOW which was almost always more fuel and more payload for more range.

    The original Il-76 would have the equivalent of PD-12 engines, and the Il-476 has PD-14 engines... if you wanted more range and you didn't need commonality with the Il-476 you could go for PD-16s in the Il-276 and increase the weights... in fact if engine commonality was important you could put PD-16s in both aircraft.

    Personally I think the Il-276 makes sense and should be developed and put into production, but with the Tu-204/214 going into serial production that the Tu-330 should be put into production too and I think its 35 ton capacity would be useful for some countries who want another Il-76 but want a slightly smaller aircraft that doesn't have the Il-476s performance.

    I cannot understand why the original il-76 with four D-30 engines with12 tons takeoff thrust had 42 tons of payload, the Il-76MD-90A with 4 PD-90 engines rated at 14.5 tons takeoff has 60 tons of payload while the il-76 with two 15.6 tons takeoff thrust engines has only 20 tons of payload with limited range.

    Maybe that was the requirement from the Russian military and so that is what they are aiming for... they could probably choose different engines if they wanted to.

    By the way, the project started as il-214 to replace the Indian An-32, so maybe the performances are underwhelming for that reason.

    Maybe that is where the specs were developed, but that does not seem right because the An-32 was a hot and high An-26 wasn't it?

    Not really in the An-12 payload range.

    I do not know if it has been delayed because of the lack of PD-14M, however the PS90 was available and if there was the urgency, for a military transport aircraft a slightly higher consumption would not be a show stopper.

    Well they delayed the light 5th gen fighter while the problems and bugs were worked out of the Su-57 and it got into serial production.

    Is it too far fetched to suspect that maybe they are waiting for engines and also the Il-476 to have all bugs sorted out and into serial production before they consider making a reduced size model for serial production too?

    I think that would be reasonable.

    Furthermore earlier Russia did not have a modern turboprop engine to replace the Ivchenko Ai-20 turboprop of the An-12, but now the PDV-4000 is in development and possibly it will be ready around the same time as the PD-14M or PD-16, so now a turboprop powered aircraft could be again in discussion, not to speak of an even more powerful turboprop derived from the PD-8 (there is already an helicopter turboshaft engine that is being derived from that, to replace the 8500kW (11400 hp) Progress D-136 engine of the Mi-26).

    Another good point... engines are critical to good transport planes and getting the right engine is important... do they want a turboprop, or is that for something else.

    They will have lots of new engines starting production over the next few years... it is going to be interesting to see what they revive.

    Furthermore, if Russia had to choose only one between the il-276 and the Tu-330, i would much prefer to bet on the Tu-330 and possibly develop a new turboprop transport aircraft to cover the niche between the 5 tons payload An-26 replacement (il-112 or whatever) and the 35 tons payload Tu-330.

    For the prices they can probably make them for I would say why not make both... I think both would be useful aircraft.

    There was no export market for the C-141M because it was not a great plane. The Il-76 was a great plane and widely used, but it is old now and its replacement has been so long in coming that the US has slipped in some C-17s that corruption has been paying for... in fair open market conditions the C-17 would not sell... it is ridiculously expensive for what it is, but US allies have to buy it...

    Getting transports into production will be good for Russia but also for the rest of the world too.

    An added sales pitch for the Il-476 would be to licence produce them, but many countries don't need enormous numbers of such big planes, but the idea they could also produce An-12 sized versions in the same factory would be rather appealing I would think.... you could start production 60:40 in favour of the smaller aircraft and as your smaller fleet fills out you can shift to building more larger aircraft or all small aircraft depending on your needs and you can support them in operation and replace any losses and perhaps even make some aircraft for neighbours that want local support and no strings attached aircraft.
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    Post  AMCXXL Fri Aug 11, 2023 3:32 pm

    Second Il-76MD-90A handed over this year, presumably the RF-78669, would be the 17th delivered to the VKS and the 15th to the 235th VTAP

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    Post  limb Wed Aug 30, 2023 9:07 am

    4 Il-76s were just destroyed("damaged" like the Tu-22) by a "DRG" in pskov.
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    Post  AMCXXL Fri Sep 01, 2023 9:16 pm

    limb wrote:4 Il-76s were just destroyed("damaged" like the Tu-22) by a "DRG" in pskov.

    only two destroyed, other two probably damaged, but can repair

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    Post  AMCXXL Fri Sep 01, 2023 9:27 pm

    https://www.zhukvesti.ru/articles/detail/53565/

    08/17/2023
    The plans of the Ulyanovsk aircraft plant "Aviastar" for this year are to build six Il-76MD-90A aircraft

    These plans were announced by Deputy Prime Minister of the Government and Head of the Ministry of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation Denis Manturov during a visit to the Ulyanovsk aircraft plant on January 4, 2023.

    According to official information, the second serial military transport aircraft (MTC) Il-76MD-90A (registration number RF-78669 and presumably serial number 0304), built in 2023 at the Ulyanovsk aircraft plant "Aviastar" (part of the United Aircraft Corporation) , was transferred to the Russian Aerospace Forces in the first ten days of August this year. The aircraft made its first flight in Ulyanovsk on June 10, 2023.

    Now in the final assembly shop there is another production vehicle Il-76MD-90A (registration number RF-78870 and presumably serial number 0305). The aircraft is being built under a contract with the Russian Ministry of Defense.
    This is the tenth heavy advanced transport aircraft built using the PLS-76 automated production line since its commissioning at the Aviastar enterprise.
    Let us recall that in 2022, five modernized Il-76MD-90A transport aircraft were built at the Ulyanovsk Aviation Plant under a contract with the Russian Ministry of Defense.

    According to the governor of the Ulyanovsk region, Alexey Russky, in 2023 they plan to recruit another 2 thousand employees in addition to the 1.5 thousand workers recruited in 2022. According to the governor, in general, the Aviastar enterprise requires about three thousand new workers . “We need to create good, comfortable living conditions for them. This is, first of all, housing, convenient transport infrastructure,” said the governor of the Ulyanovsk region.


    [IL-76MD-90A] An excursion was held for schoolchildren and students on the occasion of Knowledge Day.
    We see the next aircraft, the future RF-78671, batch 03-06, if everything is followed.
    Or the 4th of the year.

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    Post  TMA1 Sat Sep 02, 2023 12:36 am

    Notice limb did not like the comment above. Just after posting doom porn. Note a few others popped up a few days back seemingly in coordination with those drone strikes complaining, a couple calling for Putin's removal for it at the same time??
    Bizarre. I'm telling you some here actually want the overthrow of Russia by the neocon/neolib factions.

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