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    Post  magnumcromagnon Thu Sep 17, 2015 7:36 pm

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    The test version of the aircraft missile BrahMos will begin in November
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    Post  Werewolf Mon Sep 28, 2015 6:51 pm

    Club/kalibr variant of Cruise Missile is Navator can be fired from Su-35,Su-27 and MiG-29/35.

    http://www.missiles.ru/3m-14ae.htm
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    Post  medo Mon Sep 28, 2015 7:45 pm

    Werewolf wrote:Club/kalibr variant of Cruise Missile is Navator can be fired from Su-35,Su-27 and MiG-29/35.

    http://www.missiles.ru/3m-14ae.htm

    Excellent, but I think it will be the main armament of Su-34 and Su-30SM. I'm sure those 300 km range are meant for export customers as domestic missiles have 600 km range for anti-ship missiles and 1500 km range for land attack cruise missiles.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Mon Sep 28, 2015 8:18 pm

    medo wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:Club/kalibr variant of Cruise Missile is Navator can be fired from Su-35,Su-27 and MiG-29/35.

    http://www.missiles.ru/3m-14ae.htm

    Excellent, but I think it will be the main armament of Su-34 and Su-30SM. I'm sure those 300 km range are meant for export customers as domestic missiles have 600 km range for anti-ship missiles and 1500 km range for land attack cruise missiles.

    Subsonic LACM has a 2,600 km range.
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    Post  Werewolf Mon Sep 28, 2015 11:36 pm

    Domestic versions are never disclosed, they are always secret especially for tactical weaponary or substitute for tactical purposed weapons deployment.
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    Post  Vann7 Thu Oct 01, 2015 1:16 am

    The bombs used by Russia were heavy fragmentation area bombs.. I find funny how
    the western zombies are so easy to believe Russia airforce do not have the capabilities
    to use precision weapons.. Is the propaganda of the west ,what people needs to shut it down..

    Russia have precision weapons and even more precise that the ones NATO have.

    But Russia is not going to spend like Americans 1 TRillion dollars in the war.. of IRAQ
    using always state of the art their latest missiles..   So if you have plans to go to a war
    and try to not spend as much as possible  then Russia will use a lot conventional cheap weapons
    whenever possible.  But as told.. RUssia have missiles the best in the world.. even superior than
    the ones NATO have..

    take a look for example at brahmos misisle.. no one in NATO ,neither ISrael
    have anything close to this..

    Super sonic cruise missiles with with direct precision up to 300km away and smart guidance
    and self defense capabilities.



    And Russia have lazer precision Artillery.. again NATO have nothing like this in service.
    can target tanks 30km away on the motion with precision..  So the believe that Russia
    airforce needs "something from the west".. when since soviet times they have lazer precision weapons and hypersonic weapons is non sense.  

    Of course Russia have high precision weapons but you don't use those at all times or will
    go bankrupt before a week. fragmentations heavy bombs ,can do the job.. specially in non civilian zones.

    brahmos cruise missiles cost about 2 million dollars each.. you cannot use those weapons
    all the times.. If Russia have any sanity it will use cheap bombs as much as possible.. specially
    to target large area zones that do not require precision.

    The SU-34 can use this one

    KH-59  inertial guidance (then TV guidance), millimeter wave active radar seeker

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kh-59

    This are not "new" weapons.. many of this cutting edge precision missiles Russia have them
    since soviet times..  Shocked


    or this one.. with Laser, active radar, IR, satellite,  guidance.

    Russian Tactical Air-to-Surface Missiles (ASM): - Page 3 600px-Kh-38_in_maks2009

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kh-38

    SU-34 can also use.. KAB-500L   500lb lazer guide bomb..

    Kh-25ML =Laser guidance, passive radar, TV guidance, IIR, Satellite guidance, active radar homing depending on variant

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kh-25

    and those are just few examples of the precision missiles that Russia can export..
    but there are custom bombs that also Russia have and do not sell.. and is for exclusive use
    of Russia federation.

    Another lazer guidance bomb that Russia have since the 80s.. that SU-24 can use too..

    Kh-29  = : semi-active laser /tv guidance /active homing ,IR..

    Russian Tactical Air-to-Surface Missiles (ASM): - Page 3 600px-Kh-29L_%281%29

    So there is nothing new.. here.. Russia since the cold war in the 80s have high precision weapons.. this is decades old technology but very precise and effective since soviet times..

    naturally because war is not cheap.. and Russia will be paid ZERO.. nothing..not a single cent
    for their war against ISIS.. will have to finance all with their own budget in moments that Russia is under economic sanctions from west  . Then it makes perfect logical sense that Russia
    try to use as much as possible soviet hardware ,even if possible free fall bombs from world war 1.. a bomb is a bomb. and to target jihadist running in the desert you don't need much technology.. (why Su-24 used) and non guided fragmentationsoviet bombs.. as long the pilots are skilled and intelligence good of terrorist locations.. then non guided bombs can be as effective as any lazer weapon.. and cost a lot less. In the end even one bullet or a fragment of a rock is all u need to kill a terrorist. Had Syria did not used what the west calls "barrel bombs" ,that is home made thermobaric bombs..dropped from mi-8 hellicopters.. it will have been impossible for Syria to fight for 4 years and hold in the war.

    You only need to look what technology many of the terrorist use to capture military bases..
    2-3 suicide bomber trucks filled with 1 ton of tnt.. and a wave of jihadist charging later with
    ak-47 and rocket grenades.  


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    Post  sepheronx Thu Oct 01, 2015 6:11 am

    Vann7 wrote:The bombs used by Russia were heavy fragmentation area bombs.. I find funny how
    the western zombies are so easy to believe Russia airforce do not have the capabilities
    to use precision weapons.. Is the propaganda of the west ,what people needs to shut it down..

    Russia have precision weapons and even more precise that the ones NATO have.

    But Russia is not going to spend like Americans 1 TRillion dollars in the war.. of IRAQ
    using always state of the art their latest missiles..   So if you have plans to go to a war
    and try to not spend as much as possible  then Russia will use a lot conventional cheap weapons
    whenever possible.  But as told.. RUssia have missiles the best in the world.. even superior than
    the ones NATO have..

    take a look for example at brahmos misisle.. no one in NATO ,neither ISrael
    have anything close to this..

    Super sonic cruise missiles with with direct precision up to 300km away and smart guidance
    and self defense capabilities.



    And Russia have lazer precision Artillery.. again NATO have nothing like this in service.
    can target tanks 30km away on the motion with precision..  So the believe that Russia
    airforce needs "something from the west".. when since soviet times they have lazer precision weapons and hypersonic weapons is non sense.  

    Of course Russia have high precision weapons but you don't use those at all times or will
    go bankrupt before a week. fragmentations heavy bombs ,can do the job.. specially in non civilian zones.

    brahmos cruise missiles cost about 2 million dollars each.. you cannot use those weapons
    all the times.. If Russia have any sanity it will use cheap bombs as much as possible.. specially
    to target large area zones that do not require precision.

    The SU-34 can use this one

    KH-59  inertial guidance (then TV guidance), millimeter wave active radar seeker

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kh-59

    This are not "new" weapons.. many of this cutting edge precision missiles Russia have them
    since soviet times..  Shocked


    or this one.. with Laser, active radar, IR, satellite,  guidance.

    Russian Tactical Air-to-Surface Missiles (ASM): - Page 3 600px-Kh-38_in_maks2009

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kh-38

    SU-34 can also use.. KAB-500L   500lb lazer guide bomb..

    Kh-25ML =Laser guidance, passive radar, TV guidance, IIR, Satellite guidance, active radar homing depending on variant

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kh-25

    and those are just few examples of the precision missiles that Russia can export..
    but there are custom bombs that also Russia have and do not sell.. and is for exclusive use
    of Russia federation.

    Another lazer guidance bomb that Russia have since the 80s.. that SU-24 can use too..

    Kh-29  = : semi-active laser /tv guidance /active homing ,IR..

    Russian Tactical Air-to-Surface Missiles (ASM): - Page 3 600px-Kh-29L_%281%29

    So there is nothing new.. here.. Russia since the cold war in the 80s have high precision weapons.. this is decades old technology but very precise and effective since soviet times..

    naturally because war is not cheap.. and Russia will be paid ZERO.. nothing..not a single cent
    for their war against ISIS.. will have to finance all with their own budget in moments that Russia is under economic sanctions from west  . Then it makes perfect logical sense that Russia
    try to use as much as possible soviet hardware ,even if possible free fall bombs from world war 1.. a bomb is a bomb. and to target jihadist running in the desert you don't need much technology.. (why Su-24 used) and non guided fragmentationsoviet bombs.. as long the pilots are skilled and intelligence good of terrorist locations.. then non guided bombs can be as effective as any lazer weapon.. and cost a lot less. In the end even one bullet or a fragment of a rock is all u need to kill a terrorist. Had Syria did not used what the west calls "barrel bombs" ,that is home made thermobaric bombs..dropped from mi-8 hellicopters.. it will have been impossible for Syria to fight for 4 years and hold in the war.

    You only need to look what technology many of the terrorist use to capture military bases..
    2-3 suicide bomber trucks filled with 1 ton of tnt.. and a wave of jihadist charging later with
    ak-47 and rocket grenades.  

    The purpose of the unguided bombs are multitude of reasons.

    1) Russia has a ridiculous amount of dumb bombs in its arsenal, it would be a waste to use more expensive guided bombs.

    2) Those Su-24's are most likely equipped with Gefast & T upgrade which greatly increases the accuracy of using dumb bombs.

    3) We have now seen evidence thanks to pictures that those bombings were not simply some "bombing of an open field" but an actual direct hit on what appeared to be a bunker emplacement. Quite accurately. So the cost was reduced greatly.

    4) I imagine there is guided munitions specifically for movement targets. But since they are bombing key positions of the terrorists, I think it is safe to assume that the other type of bombings will be dealt with by Syria.
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    Post  sepheronx Sun Oct 04, 2015 8:49 am

    Does anyone have more info and pictures of the Gefast & T upgrade for Su-24's and Su-25's? I would like to have more details as all the details previously were on mp.net and well, that is gone now.
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    Post  George1 Sun Oct 04, 2015 2:27 pm

    Russian Aviation in Syria Smashes ISIL With Kh-29L Air-to-Surface Missile

    The Kh-29L air-to-surface missile used by Russian planes against ISIL in Syria is a weapon that strikes targets with a precision less than two meters, give or take.

    LATAKIA (Sputnik) — The Russian air group in Syria is using a Kh-29L air-to-surface missile to conduct airstrikes against the Islamic State militants, the Russian military said Sunday.

    "A Kh-29L surface-to-air missile is equipped with a semi-active laser guidance system. When the launch is conducted, a pilot illuminates a target with a laser sight. At the same time an aircraft can continue the flight," Aerospace Forces spokesman Col. Igor Klimov said.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151004/1027991355/russian-aviation-syria-kh-29l-missile.html#ixzz3nbLYsKIm
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    Post  nastle77 Mon Oct 05, 2015 11:24 pm

    http://armamentresearch.com/kh-29-air-to-surface-missile-employed-in-unguided-surface-to-surface-role-in-libya/
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    Post  x_54_u43 Sun Oct 18, 2015 7:28 pm

    sepheronx wrote:Does anyone have more info and pictures of the Gefast & T upgrade for Su-24's and Su-25's?  I would like to have more details as all the details previously were on mp.net and well, that is gone now.

    If you check my thread, I have the whole brochure for them.
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    Post  jhelb Sun Oct 18, 2015 7:45 pm

    x_54_u43 wrote:If you check my thread, I have the whole brochure for them.

    Which thread? Thanx.
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    Post  x_54_u43 Sun Oct 18, 2015 7:47 pm

    https://www.russiadefence.net/t4534-russian-ground-forces-technology-and-interesting-photos

    Page 4, but there is plenty of interesting stuff in the first three pages.
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    Post  George1 Sun Jan 17, 2016 1:01 am

    Kh-59??
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    Post  Werewolf Sun Jan 17, 2016 2:30 am

    Interesting looking seeker.

    Can you explain the exact seeker and how it works?
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    Post  George1 Sun Jan 17, 2016 4:30 am

    Last photos are of Kh-59M.
    The nose-mounted TV-sensor relays target area imagery to the launch airborne platform and the pilot selects the impact point using the aircraft-mounted APK-9ME pod.
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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt Sun Jan 17, 2016 5:52 am

    Werewolf wrote:Interesting looking seeker.

    Can you explain the exact seeker and how it works?

    [guessing] Possibly a [true] distributed-aperture imaging seeker, possibly non-gimbaled. [/guessing]
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    Post  x_54_u43 Sun Jan 17, 2016 8:17 am

    The last photos are of Kh-38 actually...

    Seeker in my opinion is laser, with multiple apertures for high accuracy and sensitivity.
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    Post  George1 Fri Feb 12, 2016 7:23 am

    Kh-35U unified missile (can be used with any carrier) carried by Su-34 in Syria

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    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1732469.html

    So this missile variant of Kh-35, attacks also land targets?
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    Post  GarryB Fri Feb 12, 2016 1:20 pm

    Interesting photos George, but as far as I know the Kh-35U is the domestic version of the Kh-35UE which is a long range version of the Kh-35 which is an anti ship missile....


    Here is the web page:

    http://eng.ktrv.ru/production_eng/323/512/563/
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    Post  George1 Fri Feb 12, 2016 1:48 pm

    GarryB wrote:Interesting photos George, but as far as I know the Kh-35U is the domestic version of the Kh-35UE which is a long range version of the Kh-35 which is an anti ship missile....


    Here is the web page:

    http://eng.ktrv.ru/production_eng/323/512/563/

    Yes i have the same view, but provided that ISIS has no navy i assume that this missile maybe targets land except shipping
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    Post  TheArmenian Fri Feb 12, 2016 2:19 pm

    Who said it was intended against Isis.
    Broaden your mind.
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    Post  medo Fri Feb 12, 2016 8:02 pm

    It is quite interesting to see Su-34 with Kh-35U missile. Maybe they send some of them to Syria to show them to NATO to not start something stupid in Mediteranian Sea or they test land attack version of Kh-35 like SLAM-ER. Time will tell, when we will know more about missile on Su-34.

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