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    2023 Israel–Hamas war

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    Post  nomadski Sun Oct 15, 2023 11:11 am

    So they were cooking shoe leather and adding sawdust to flour to make Bread in the siege of Leningrad ? But they had Ice , therefore water . But in Gaza , they have saltwater , can make drinking water , out of seawater . Using various DIY desalination equipment , at home . Also if what you said about weather affecting ground offensive in Gaza by the Israelis , then the Palestinians can gather all flammable materials , and wait for attack , then set alight and wet with water to create smoke ! It looks like the Zionists depend on optical surveillance , perhaps by Drones , to locate tunnel mouth and Rocket location . I have heard more Artillery strikes than bombs lately . Did they drop 6000 tons already ? That is over 1000 flights . Given 300 Aircraft , flying three bombing missions ! Yes makes sense . But are there low on Ammo ? Why use less effective Artilllery ? Won't penetrate 500 km of Tunnels !







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    Post  JohninMK Sun Oct 15, 2023 11:47 am

    This may be a conservative US website but this link will take you to their analysis of why Egypt should not take in refugees. Its the best I have read. Ignore the comments as usual.

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/10/15/gaza-hamas-egypt-and-context-with-the-sinai-border-that-western-media-do-not-discuss/

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Oct 15, 2023 12:07 pm

    Needs confirmation. The flag is not the normal Hezbollah yellow but seems to be their red war/revenge flag.

    If true there will be some interesting intel at that site.

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    Hezbollah captured an IDF base on the Lebanese-Israeli border and raised its flag.

    The areas of Israel bordering Lebanon have been declared a closed military zone.

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    🇱🇧🇮🇱A clearer photo of the flag from the Al Raheb base.

    Hezbollah also claims that an ATGM crew hit an IDF Merkava battle tank on the border with Lebanon. - Intel Slava Z

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    This may be what generated to move by Hezbollah.




    EDIT Flag added

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Oct 15, 2023 12:13 pm

    Sunday morning smile time.

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    Post  Erk Sun Oct 15, 2023 12:15 pm

    Looks like Israel are getting ready for their proportional response.

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    Post  Tolstoy Sun Oct 15, 2023 12:23 pm

    To target such a large armoured formation Hezbollah would need tactical ballistic missile.

    However, tactical ballistic missiles generally decelerate to lower Mach values in the terminal stage to do optical/RF homing. Ans so can be intercepted by Israeli SAMs like Arrow-2.
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    Post  Hole Sun Oct 15, 2023 12:24 pm

    Personally, i found the footage released highly interesting from an outside observer point of view.
    The guys are not as professional as the Chechens but it seems they are way better trained than the occupation forces.
    You can clearly see which side played attention to the fighting in the SMO.

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    Post  kvs Sun Oct 15, 2023 12:35 pm

    JohninMK wrote:This may be a conservative US website but this link will take you to their analysis of why Egypt should not take in refugees. Its the best I have read. Ignore the comments as usual.

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/10/15/gaza-hamas-egypt-and-context-with-the-sinai-border-that-western-media-do-not-discuss/

    There is an ethnic cleansing plan, the same as during previous wars, where Palestinians are made into refugees and then are not allowed to return to their
    homes. Egypt would be facilitating this ethnic cleansing if it took in Palestinian refugees. Egypt has tried to send humanitarian aid to Gaza but "victim Israelis" have destroyed it. They have also killed UN workers in Gaza. It is obvious that there is not a whiff of humanitarian concern in any of the Israel's shrill demands for Palestinians to displace themselves.

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Oct 15, 2023 12:35 pm

    This is probably not a surprise. With luck the longer the delay the more likely that shock of the initial strike/raw need for revenge will dissipate and the potential realities of the worldwide response will come into play.

    Plus the local political dangers of heavy IAF loss of life now that Hamas military has proved to be more effective than expected, certainly a lot more than in 2017.



    According to the Israeli channel Reshet 13, the operation to invade the Gaza Strip was postponed due to disagreements within the emergency government cabinet

    Let us remind you that the American media claim that the reason for the transfer was cloudiness amid rain.

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    Post  ALAMO Sun Oct 15, 2023 12:40 pm

    Israelis are conscripted army consisting of every 19 y/o they have there.
    For the last 17 years, they have been busy with harassing kids throwing words and insults mostly, and stones occasionally.
    The sole thing Cachal was famous for lately was the OnlyFans profile of it's female soldiers showing tits.
    In 17 years, even the commanding structure evaporated. Officers with some experience are now too high in rank to command people on the ground.
    On the other hand, both Hamas and Hezbollach participated in Syrian war.
    They are heavily trained by Iranian advisers, who have real war experience on the ground.
    It will be a hell of a show to watch.

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Oct 15, 2023 12:46 pm

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    🇪🇬🇺🇸Egypt has refused to allow American citizens to leave Gaza via Rafah.

    Egyptian authorities are refusing to let American citizens leave Gaza unless the US forces Israel to accept the Rafah border crossing as a designated aid crossing through which Egyptian and international aid can be brought into Gaza.

    East info

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Oct 15, 2023 12:58 pm

    Israeli strikes on the Gaza Strip according to satellite imagery


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    Post  JohninMK Sun Oct 15, 2023 1:01 pm

    A familiar message. The US saying "You are on your own now mate". Basically there is money and hardware available but you ain't having any of our blood.

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    "Guarantor of Security" flees Israel

    The official representative of the Russian Foreign Ministry, Maria Zakharova, spoke about yet another fact of US impunity for setting the world on fire.

    “The US State Department has authorized American government employees and their families in Israel to leave the country amid an “unprecedented security situation.” The guarantor of security in the region himself brought it to the point of no return,” she said.

    Allowing US officials in Israel to leave the region is essentially an escape.

    “And again, no one in Washington will answer for their atrocities, provocations and staging?”
    – asks the Russian diplomat.

    The head of the Pentagon also called on the Israelis to show responsibility in the operation.

    "I asked Israeli officials to think about the selection of targets and take into account the presence of civilians," Austin said.

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    Post  Tolstoy Sun Oct 15, 2023 1:06 pm

    Netanyahu asked the IDF to stand down before the attack began. More proof about this False Flag attack.

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    Post  ArgentinaGuard Sun Oct 15, 2023 2:11 pm

    ALAMO wrote:Israelis are conscripted army consisting of every 19 y/o they have there.
    For the last 17 years, they have been busy with harassing kids throwing words and insults mostly, and stones occasionally.
    The sole thing Cachal was famous for lately was the OnlyFans profile of it's female soldiers showing tits.
    In 17 years, even the commanding structure evaporated. Officers with some experience are now too high in rank to command people on the ground.
    On the other hand, both Hamas and Hezbollach participated in Syrian war.
    They are heavily trained by Iranian advisers, who have real war experience on the ground.
    It will be a hell of a show to watch.
    That's what I say. Israelis are overrated. They have no experience in urban warfare. Furthermore, most of the Israeli troops were children in the Lebanon War ( that they lost) the previous ones. The question is whether the Israelis are willing to endure so many casualties. I do not think so. It is a decadent society like the West.
    The Arabs seem very convinced and disciplined. Maybe they will take Gaza but at the cost of a Pyrrhic victory.

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    Post  lyle6 Sun Oct 15, 2023 2:36 pm

    The Israelis aren't just overrated. They were - are arrogant, and hubris kills.

    Like, the IDF had first class seats to Ukrainian military laboratory and came out of the experience with nothing.

    The Kharkov debacle alone should have taught them to keep their positions well manned instead of relying on skeleton crews.

    Their ground forces were fighting as if its the GWOT all over again and there are no UAVs.

    Defective equipment all around with Iron Domes and Trophy leaking like seaves.

    Even richer is that Israeli instructors were in NATO bases teaching Ukrainian soldiers fucking irrelevant sandwars bullshit. Many of these Ukrainians were veterans with years of experience under their belt and you have these wet behind the ears dudes teaching police action shit. Razz

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Sun Oct 15, 2023 3:01 pm

    🔹 Israeli’s pop singer Eyal Golan:

    "Erase Gaza, do not leave a single person there."

    Average child-killing israeli settler.


    https://twitter.com/AryJeay/status/1713532435076382721

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    Post  AMCXXL Sun Oct 15, 2023 3:05 pm

    JohninMK wrote:This may be a conservative US website but this link will take you to their analysis of why Egypt should not take in refugees. Its the best I have read. Ignore the comments as usual.

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/10/15/gaza-hamas-egypt-and-context-with-the-sinai-border-that-western-media-do-not-discuss/

    Muslim Brotherhood (Hamas, al-Qaeda, al-Nusra, ISIS, enablers)

    All of these are proxy´s of the Evil Empire

    Terrorism is always a creation of a state entity, of course. War on "terrorism" is really a Terrorist War

    This is the old tactic of divide and conquer, destroy a country from inside

    ISIS = Israel State Intelligence Service, is a weapon against Syria and Irak

    The means of evil are deception, lies and disguise

    Revelation 12 9: And that great dragon was cast out, the ancient serpent, called the Devil and Satan,who deceives the whole world; He was cast down to the earth, and his angels were cast down with him.

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Sun Oct 15, 2023 3:09 pm

    Regarding Hezbollah's red flag, it was a mistake by the Al Manar network to confuse it with that of an IDF unit.
    On the subject of false flags, I continue to insist that there is no real evidence to support this.
    Except for some comments on the networks.
    It is more logical to think that it was a well-planned operation like the Yon Kippur War in 1973.
    We must not detract from the capacity of the Resistance.
    In fact, it continues to act militarily, even though Israel has been attacking them for decades.


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    Post  ahmedfire Sun Oct 15, 2023 3:22 pm

    Hezbollah has fired multiple ATGMs against Israeli tanks & vehicles .

    + Now explosions on the north , multiple rockets from Hezbollah .

    Israel is getting punches everywhere .

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    Post  ArgentinaGuard Sun Oct 15, 2023 3:23 pm


    Isis is a Western creation just like Al Quaeda. But Hamas responds to Iran and Hesbollah.
    Do you think that all armed organizations are from Western intelligence organizations? Don't be so stupid.
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    Post  nomadski Sun Oct 15, 2023 3:29 pm

    https://en.mehrnews.com/news/207147/Iran-cannot-remain-bystander-in-face-of-Israeli-onslaught



    Too much talk already ! Do something , before it is too late . Give an ultimatum , a date a time . Then open fire ! Directly against Israel by Iran . Let's see the yanks retaliate !

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    Post  ahmedfire Sun Oct 15, 2023 3:30 pm


    Sisi to US FM

    In 5 wars on Gaza there are 12500 killed Palestinian .

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    Post  ahmedfire Sun Oct 15, 2023 3:34 pm


    Party MF Twisted Evil

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Sun Oct 15, 2023 3:53 pm

    "If Israel is forced to the wall, the possibility of a nuclear exchange is extremely high."
    Zionist journalist
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    threatens that Israel would use a nuclear weapon if the #US doesn't provide it with more military air.


    https://twitter.com/QudsNen/status/1713267293394723199

    It seems that some are pointing to the predictions that Alexander Duguin made.

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