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    Post  lancelot Wed Jan 31, 2024 9:09 pm

    Russia shut down the Kursk-2 nuclear reactor. It operated for 45 years. It had an original design lifetime of 30 years. But its operation was extended after maintenance and upgrades. This was one of the remaining RBMK reactors (Chernobyl type).
    https://www.world-nuclear-news.org/Articles/Kursk-s-second-unit-retired-after-45-years-operati

    The electric grid in Southern Russia already had a 1 GW energy deficit. After the Kursk-1 nuclear reactor (0.9 MW) shutdown and the new regions further added to the strain in the grid. Electricity prices in Southern Russia were already 9% higher because of the lack of electric production. And we are still in the middle of the winter.
    https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/6479010

    The shutdown of Kursk-2 will make the energy deficit worse. There goes another 0.9 GW of production down the drain.

    Hopefully Kursk II-1 will be operational soon. This is one of two VVER-1200 reactors being built to replace the RBMK. This is the first reactor of this type being built and it will also use Power Machines' new low-speed steam turbines. But it isn't even grid connected yet.

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    Post  ALAMO Thu Feb 01, 2024 3:05 am

    https://www.power-technology.com/projects/kursk-ii-nuclear-power-plant/?cf-view

    They are finishing the first block, and made most of the preparations to place a second reactor.

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    Post  lancelot Thu Feb 01, 2024 3:52 am

    If it goes like other projects they will connect Kursk II-1 to the grid this year. And will start regular operations the year afterwards. So it will likely start operating in 2025. But this is a new project with new technology. First VVER-TOI. So it could have delays.

    From what I get in Kursk II-1 the reactor building was roofed. The reactor and steam generators are in place. The pipes in the cooling circuit were welded last year. They might still be installing some equipment though. And I did not read anything about the steam turbine being installed. Although construction of the turbine building seems to have been done.

    As for Kursk II-2 the reactor building was roofed late last year. The reactor and steam generators are in place. They started welding the pipes in the cooling circuit last month. It is like seven months behind in terms of construction compared to the first reactor.

    https://www.neimagazine.com/news/newsrosatom-welds-main-circulation-pipeline-for-kursk-ii-unit-2-11474054

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    Post  ALAMO Thu Feb 01, 2024 4:22 am

    I wouldn't be concerned much of the issue. Russia has a huge net production. The only issue is that the grid is not connected across the entire country yet, with some regions dependent on their own production. But they are working on it for the last 20 years.

    Edit : seems that 2023 GDP rise was actually even higher than the higher than expected revealed previously Laughing
    Hits 4.0%
    How are sanctions doing?

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    Post  kvs Thu Feb 01, 2024 4:25 pm

    lancelot wrote:
    Hopefully Kursk II-1 will be operational soon. This is one of two VVER-1200 reactors being built to replace the RBMK. This is the first reactor of this type being built and it will also use Power Machines' new low-speed steam turbines. But it isn't even grid connected yet.

    The 2.5 GW Kursk-II is supposed to cost $3.5 billion USD in 2023 dollars. The Kanadian Darlington plant with a capacity of 3.5 GW cost $14 billion CAD in 1990 dollars.
    In today's CAD that is about 30 billion, in USD that is 22.5 billion. That is 6.4 billion USD per GW. The Russian plant costs 1.4 billion per GW. A PPP factor of 4.6.
    The aggregate PPP for Russia's consumer economy is misleading since it is dominated by the prices of consumer junk. Big ticket items in Russia, which in reality count for
    more in terms of the function of the economy, have a much higher PPP.

    The drivel about Russian corruption is for retards.

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    Post  lancelot Thu Feb 01, 2024 5:18 pm

    I would not say there are no issues with electric generation. Besides the problems I already mentioned, the whole nuclear power plant build out in Russia seems to have been delayed, if you look at the original plans for the past two decades more power plants were supposed to have been built by now. And the major issue is not even the nuclear part of electric generation. It is the gargantuan amount of gas turbines that Russia imported from Germany, and the US, to generate electricity. IIRC some 20 GW worth of generation. That now have had their maintenance and parts supplies cut off.

    I do not understand how Russia even allowed to get itself into this hole with the gas turbines for power generation. They should have at least demanded fully localized production of the gas turbines before committing to such large purchases. Instead full localization at least for the Siemens gas turbines was never achieved. Might have been attained for some GE turbines.

    Thankfully in most cases the import gas turbines are coupled to Soviet steam boilers which also have connections to Soviet steam turbines in the same power plant. So those can still serve as backup. The gas turbines were meant to reduce gas consumption, improve energy efficiency, so more gas could be exported. The steam turbines were basically mothballed but are still there in place. But in most cases the steam turbines haven't been maintained properly. This will be a major headache for sure. Tatarstan heavily relies on the imported gas turbines for example and could be majorly affected.
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    Post  Arkanghelsk Mon Feb 05, 2024 10:20 am

    Kremlin hails repatriation of tech giant

    Netherlands-registered Yandex NV has agreed to sell its Russian operations to a consortium of local investors and spin off its main international projects

    The Kremlin welcomes the agreement to sell tech giant Yandex’s Russian business to a consortium of private investors, spokesman Dmitry Peskov said on Monday.

    Often referred to as “Russia’s Google,” Yandex has come under intense pressure amid Western sanctions. Since 2022, the Dutch-registered entity has been seeking to divest its Russian business, which generates the lion’s share of its revenue, and to spin off a number of its international startups.

    “Of course, it is important for us that the company continue its work in this area. In this regard, we can welcome the agreement on the sale that the shareholders reached. The Russian management of the company will remain the main owner,” Peskov stated.

    The Kremlin had been engaged in negotiations with Yandex for around 18 months. The cash-and-shares deal worth 475 billion rubles ($5.2 billion) would see the country’s largest technology player come entirely under Russian ownership. A consortium of local investors will get the largest stake in the Russian business, while oil major Lukoil will hold 10%, according to the company.

    Peskov called Yandex “one of the national champions in the high-tech economy” and one of Russia’s largest companies,. “For us, of course, it is important for the company to continue to operate in our country. This is a company that provides work to many talented people. Many young people are looking for work at Yandex,” the spokesman said.

    Once regulatory and shareholder approval is received, the sale is reportedly set to be completed in two stages, the first of which is anticipated to close in the first half of this year, with the second following within seven weeks.

    Yandex’s Dutch parent company, Yandex NV, will retain a portfolio of four early-stage tech businesses in the cloud, data solutions, self-driving and education technology sectors.
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    Putin was able to repatriate Yandex, Arkady Volozh was cut out of the deal for failure to agree to repatriate capital to Russia

    This is a giant milestone, these companies can generate more revenue and capitalization than the reserves frozen by the west, and this is how it should be

    More need to be repatriated

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    Post  Kiko Mon Feb 12, 2024 10:57 am

    Putin announced the completion of the preparation of a socio-economic action plan, 02.12.2024.

    Putin announced the completion of the preparation of a socio-economic action plan.

    MOSCOW, February 12 – RIA Novosti. The preparation of a socio-economic action plan for the next six years is coming to an end, Vladimir Putin said at a meeting on economic issues.

    “We are now entering the final stage of work on a plan of socio-economic action for the next six years, including key areas such as supporting investment, ensuring technological sovereignty, updating and building infrastructure, comprehensive development of human settlements and much more,” the president said.

    The head of state called for the creation and modernization of production with modern, well-paid jobs in all Russian regions.

    Putin noted that the main task and absolute priority is to increase the incomes and quality of life of Russians and the well-being of families.

    The President proposed paying special attention to curbing inflation.

    “At the end of January, it amounted to 7.2 percent in annual terms. Of course, we know that at the end of last year, consumer prices increased by 7.4 percent, that is, there has been a decrease in inflation. Here I would like to note the joint actions of the government and the Bank of Russia,” Putin said.

    The head of state emphasized that the growth rate of the Russian economy in 2023 was 3.6 percent, which is higher than the world average (three percent). At the same time, the growth rate of the economies of developed countries is one and a half percent.

    The volume of industrial production over the year increased by 3.5 percent, manufacturing industries added 7.5 percent. In addition, strong consumer demand remains in the country, which has a positive impact on business plans.

    Putin added that economic activity in Russia at the beginning of the year is at a high level, the situation is developing in accordance with the expectations of the government and expert circles.

    https://ria.ru/20240212/putin-1926843210.html

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    Post  GarryB Mon Feb 12, 2024 8:27 pm

    The electric grid in Southern Russia already had a 1 GW energy deficit. After the Kursk-1 nuclear reactor (0.9 MW) shutdown and the new regions further added to the strain in the grid. Electricity prices in Southern Russia were already 9% higher because of the lack of electric production. And we are still in the middle of the winter.
    https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/6479010

    The shutdown of Kursk-2 will make the energy deficit worse. There goes another 0.9 GW of production down the drain.

    So hang on... 1 GW deficit, and Kursk-1 shutting down increasing the deficit by 0.9MW?

    Then you say there goes another 0.9 GW.

    1 billion watts deficit plus the loss of 900,000 watts would be closer to 1.01GW deficit wouldn't it?

    BTW I just actually read the article you quote and it says there will be a projected 1GW deficit by 2029.

    I couldn't read the rest of the article without having to register.

    Sounds like you are fear mongering.

    Besides by the time 2029 comes around that reactor in the Ukraine that Russia holds and Kiev is trying to get back could be back on line and running again... and perhaps other former Ukrainian reactors might be up and running again too.
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    Post  kvs Mon Feb 12, 2024 10:29 pm

    Komersant is a 5th column rag ever since Berezovsky owned it. They should move to NATzO.

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    Post  lancelot Tue Feb 13, 2024 12:14 am

    The region had a 1 GW deficit after Kursk-1 (0.9 GW) was shut down. And now Kursk-2 (another 0.9 GW) shut down as well. Those were RMBK reactors.

    I said 0.9 MW when I should have said 0.9 GW i.e. 900 MW. Just a typo.

    Kursk-II-1 and Kursk-II-2 (VVER-TOI reactors) still aren't operational.
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    Post  sepheronx Tue Feb 13, 2024 12:59 am

    The Russians wouldn't just shut down stuff and create issues just because.

    There is obviously a reason.

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    Post  lancelot Tue Feb 13, 2024 1:54 am

    sepheronx wrote:The Russians wouldn't just shut down stuff and create issues just because.
    There is obviously a reason.
    Of course there is. The Kursk-2 reactor has reached the end of its 45 year lifetime. That is why it was shut down. Kursk-II-1/2 construction was delayed for several reasons. And it's not like it was originally planned by Rosatom to have to supply power to the new regions either. It is just a perfect storm really.

    As for the huge nuclear power plant in Zaporizhzhia, it would solve the energy shortage sure, but do you really think the Ukrainians will stop attacking it from the Western side of the Dnieper? The power plant is right next to the river. Why do you think they shut it down in the first place?
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    Post  GarryB Tue Feb 13, 2024 5:41 am

    Kursk-II-1 and Kursk-II-2 (VVER-TOI reactors) still aren't operational.

    So they have two new reactors that they are completing and getting ready for use.

    They will have other power generation options other than nuclear I rather suspect.
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    Post  kvs Tue Feb 13, 2024 9:28 am

    Russia has no generation gaps whatsoever. It is exporting electricity in substantial amounts and thanks to NATzO-tards rejecting such
    exports in recent years it must have generation capacity in excess. Komersant's BS about a 1 GW shortage is pure 5th column misinformation.
    The domestic demand for electricity is not surging so fast that the current infrastructure can't keep up and new construction will fail to fill the
    demand. But such a surge in demand would be an indication of rapid economic expansion and Komersant could not possibly have any positive
    news about Russia.

    I think the Russian government needs to get over the concept that having "balanced" reporting is "healthy". Lie factories do not provide any
    balance and are nothing but sabotage operations. It is a failure to have real independent mass media. Anyway, Russian "state run" media
    is vastly more objective than any of the private, oligarch-run MSM orifices in the NATzO west.

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    Post  PhSt Tue Feb 13, 2024 8:26 pm

    Komersant's BS about a 1 GW shortage is pure 5th column misinformation.

    Im not sure why this publication is still under the control of 5th column NATzO agents. All assets of Komersant need to be seized and then sold to Patriotic Russian business people, I think its also important for the Russian government to maintain a majority share of the company when this happens.

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    Post  lancelot Tue Feb 13, 2024 10:45 pm

    If they were outright lying Kommersant would have been shut down already. Like many other publications were.
    At best they might be providing a partial view of events. But at least in this case it doesn't look like it.
    For example I know they beefed up the electric link between Donbass and Russia. Basically to import more electricity to Donbass.
    That the RMBK Kursk-1/2 have been shut down and the VVER Kursk-II-1/2 have been delayed versus original schedule is also indisputable.

    If you look at it the original plan for the RMBK Kursk power plant in Soviet times was for it to have six units as well. They ended up only building four. Construction of further new RMBK reactors was stopped after Chernobyl. This was somewhat compensated by building some electric generation with natural gas power plants in that region in this century. Which uses Western gas turbines. Which aren't being supplied in terms of parts anymore. Now of the four original RMBK reactors only two are operating.
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    Post  GarryB Wed Feb 14, 2024 1:32 am

    I think the Russian government needs to get over the concept that having "balanced" reporting is "healthy". Lie factories do not provide any
    balance and are nothing but sabotage operations.

    I think it is funny and as it is a fitting satire to western propaganda bullshit.

    Russian media tends to be honest even if they do put a positive spin on things... but why shouldn't they?

    This means the western controlled gutter press can't attack them with real problems and real coverups and issues, so they have to make shit up, which most people who care about the truth will see through quickly enough.

    In comparison in the west, Russian news agencies must be banned in the west because they cut through our bullshit and expose our lies and scratch the surface of our fundamental problems that we try to make you not see because a chosen few profit immensely from such blind spots which helps keep a tiny portion super rich while the vast majority scrape by working their arses off barely keeping up with the ever increasing costs of life.

    The Russians know the stupid will always be fooled, but most people are interested in the truth and so they will work out for themselves who are more often right and who are continuously wrong but claim they are right... it just takes one more sanction, or the sanctions just take a little longer to work.

    The west knows the Russians are right and pretty soon most westerners will realise they are a better source of information than the western news media who clearly lie all the time.

    I think the BBC should have their name changed to MI whatever number they are up to... MI5 and MI6 are taken... probably MI21 or something by now... though probably more accurately they are probably already MI1 or MI2.

    If they were outright lying Kommersant would have been shut down already. Like many other publications were.

    When has Russia ever shut down a new agency that was not in response to RT and Sputnik being banned?

    If any newspaper in the world could possibly be shut down for lying there would be no Newspapers left.

    If you look at it the original plan for the RMBK Kursk power plant in Soviet times was for it to have six units as well. They ended up only building four.

    Perhaps because they realised they only needed four...

    This was somewhat compensated by building some electric generation with natural gas power plants in that region in this century. Which uses Western gas turbines. Which aren't being supplied in terms of parts anymore. Now of the four original RMBK reactors only two are operating.

    Russian companies are making parts all the time to keep such systems running and safe.

    If you look at how the current conflict is being run, and how the government is managing the economy despite being cut off from SWIFT and all the tens of thousands of other sanctions imposed by the west, are you telling me after rebuilding thousands of things in newly liberated parts of the Ukraine that their energy grid has a problem?

    I understand Kommersant saying so... the guy who owns it comes from one of the Baltic states... think of it as the Navalny press... but why do you think this is a problem and why are you defending this paper?

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    Post  lancelot Wed Feb 14, 2024 2:53 am

    GarryB wrote:When has Russia ever shut down a new agency that was not in response to RT and Sputnik being banned?
    If any newspaper in the world could possibly be shut down for lying there would be no Newspapers left.

    If you look at it the original plan for the RMBK Kursk power plant in Soviet times was for it to have six units as well. They ended up only building four.
    Perhaps because they realised they only needed four...

    This was somewhat compensated by building some electric generation with natural gas power plants in that region in this century. Which uses Western gas turbines. Which aren't being supplied in terms of parts anymore. Now of the four original RMBK reactors only two are operating.

    Russian companies are making parts all the time to keep such systems running and safe.

    If you look at how the current conflict is being run, and how the government is managing the economy despite being cut off from SWIFT and all the tens of thousands of other sanctions imposed by the west, are you telling me after rebuilding thousands of things in newly liberated parts of the Ukraine that their energy grid has a problem?

    I understand Kommersant saying so... the guy who owns it comes from one of the Baltic states... think of it as the Navalny press... but why do you think this is a problem and why are you defending this paper?
    Look. The editors of Lenta.ru were kicked out after blatant pro-Ukraine Nazi propaganda. Those editors ended up creating Meduza. Which got DNS banned in Russia as it is considered a foreign agent publication due to it having foreign funding. Other media have been banned for publishing false information when the Special Military Operation started. So, no, there are consequences really. As there would be in any other law abiding country where news media try to pull this sort of stunt.

    Kommersant has a liberal slant. And that is about it really.

    The 5th and 6th RMBK units in the Kursk NPP were supposed to be built. Construction of further RMBK nuclear reactors, including Kursk 5/6, was frozen after the Chernobyl incident but there were plans to restart construction of the units at Kursk NPP in the 2000s. The 5th unit was supposed to be the first prototype of the new MKER reactor type which was meant to be a modernized RMBK. Construction was cancelled in 2012.

    Because of the need to address possible electric generation shortfalls from Soviet built nuclear power plants going past their end of design life, after almost a decade in the 1990s of no construction in Russia of new nuclear power plants, Minatom started a program to do life extensions to allow generation to continue until new power plants could be built. RMBK reactors were life extended from 30 to 45 years. This was done by correcting deformations on the graphite stacks. VVER reactors were life extended in some cases to 60 years. This was done by thermal annealing of the reactor to close the microcracks from neutron irradiation.

    In the early 2000s Minatom still did not have the money to fund further construction of nuclear reactors. So Minatom went to Gazprom. They proposed a deal where Gazprom would provide them with a loan to finish construction of the stalled reactors at Rostov, the electricity generated by the nuclear reactors would then mean less natural gas would need to be burned to generate electricity in the region. And the newly available unused gas could then be exported for a higher price. As the Russian economy improved the government also had more money to fund new nuclear power plant construction. But in 2009 you had the Global Financial Crisis. The oil and gas price dropped massively. A huge amount of government programs were basically cut. This included a freeze on the construction of several new nuclear reactors. In 2011 the Russian State Duma recommended the construction of VVER Kursk II 1/2. These were meant to be online in 2020 and 2023 respectively. Which would have meant they would be operational before the Kursk 1/2 RMBK went past their lifetime. But as you can see we are in 2024 and the first reactor isn't operational yet.

    There is IIRC like 20 GW of natural gas electric generation capacity using foreign gas turbines (mostly German and American). While I am fairly sure that alternative ways of maintaining this equipment are being devised this isn't 100% guaranteed. This is a similar problem to the one of keeping Western aircraft operational without parts supply or technical assistance. Thankfully most of the gas turbines were built connected to existing Soviet steam boilers. Which were originally connected to Soviet steam turbines. The steam turbines were mothballed as the more efficient gas turbines replaced them for electric generation. So in theory those Soviet steam turbines can be used as backup. But let's not underestimate the magnitude of the task. A lot of those Soviet steam turbines haven't been maintained in years. And in some cases wholly new facilities were built with Western boilers including in Tatarstan. Those have no backup.
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    Post  ALAMO Wed Feb 14, 2024 3:23 am

    lancelot wrote:If they were outright lying Kommersant would have been shut down already. Like many other publications were.
    At best they might be providing a partial view of events. But at least in this case it doesn't look like it.

    You are trying to argue with folks who have an ideology-driven inability to see any Russkie weakness.
    And a natural charm to put every single one to the 5th column barking Laughing

    It is not the point folks that Russia has an overall energy deficits - it does not. They are a big net producer.
    BUT!
    They still - after 20 years of investments - haven't succeeded in connecting a whole country into a single infrastructure.
    Why?
    For multiple reason, the size being crystal clear.
    But it generates one serious issue which is the cost.
    They can send electricity generates in Moscow region to Sakhalin, but the transfer losses will be nulling any reason to do so.
    They have an issue with a particular NPP in Kursk region, that is delayed - again for multiple reasons. And need to resolve that somehow, which they will.
    Another factor is, that this particular NPP is the closest one to the newly reconquered territories, there is only one TPP closer, Novocherkaskaya. As long as local electric generation sucks, the balance must be resolved with increase deliveries. Which makes some deficit either.
    Don't expect power shortages in California style, because nothing like that will happen.

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    Post  lancelot Wed Feb 14, 2024 3:32 am

    The Russians are also restarting some coal power stations in the Donbass. But as always these power stations might get attacked.
    The Ukrainians have even attempted drone attacks at the Kursk NPP. It is right over the border.

    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukrainian-drones-attack-russian-town-home-nuclear-plant-2023-09-01/
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    Post  ALAMO Wed Feb 14, 2024 3:47 am

    There is a Lugansk power plant that operates on gas, with 820MW output.
    Works on gas now, but will be switched back to coal to increase the local economy.
    It was constructed in the 60s ...

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    Post  GarryB Wed Feb 14, 2024 4:13 am

    Look. The editors of Lenta.ru were kicked out after blatant pro-Ukraine Nazi propaganda. Those editors ended up creating Meduza. Which got DNS banned in Russia as it is considered a foreign agent publication due to it having foreign funding. Other media have been banned for publishing false information when the Special Military Operation started. So, no, there are consequences really. As there would be in any other law abiding country where news media try to pull this sort of stunt.

    There is a rather enormous difference between publishing pro enemy propaganda during a war funded openly by enemy states and being independent media.

    Independent media is just fine in Russia, it is the CIA driven and funded criminal organisations that are banned.

    But we are not talking about those... or are we?

    Kommersant is a navalny like foreign paid trolling organisation... it is the atlantic council, the jamestown institute, it puts the wests views and tries at every opportunity to pain Russia and Putin as evil even if they have to make it up.

    Kommersant has a liberal slant. And that is about it really.

    It is gutter press that lives on shock and controversy... which they can never find so they have to make it up.

    The 5th and 6th RMBK units in the Kursk NPP were supposed to be built. Construction of further RMBK nuclear reactors, including Kursk 5/6, was frozen after the Chernobyl incident but there were plans to restart construction of the units at Kursk NPP in the 2000s. The 5th unit was supposed to be the first prototype of the new MKER reactor type which was meant to be a modernized RMBK. Construction was cancelled in 2012.

    So this pretend problem has existed since Soviet times and nothing has been done since then to fix it.

    Sounds like a non existent problem.

    In the early 2000s Minatom still did not have the money to fund further construction of nuclear reactors. So Minatom went to Gazprom. They proposed a deal where Gazprom would provide them with a loan to finish construction of the stalled reactors at Rostov, the electricity generated by the nuclear reactors would then mean less natural gas would need to be burned to generate electricity in the region. And the newly available unused gas could then be exported for a higher price.

    So you answer the situation right there... there is burning natural gas as a solution to any electricity shortfall and because of EU ignorance and US sabotage they have plenty of gas that is not needed anywhere that is prepared to buy it from unclean Russians.

    So burning that fuel in Russia to generate the power they need while they take their time to get new nuclear reactors on line makes perfect sense.

    And of course I understand why a gutter rag would try to blow this up as a huge power shortfall or perhaps they will blame corruption... almost certainly Putins fault.

    These were meant to be online in 2020 and 2023 respectively. Which would have meant they would be operational before the Kursk 1/2 RMBK went past their lifetime. But as you can see we are in 2024 and the first reactor isn't operational yet

    Except that wasn't really a problem because of low gas prices probably made gas plants more cost effective even if they did emit CO, and now Russia likely has excess gas available that the EU are refusing to buy so availability of excess gas probably means nuclear power generation is not critical right now either.


    There is IIRC like 20 GW of natural gas electric generation capacity using foreign gas turbines (mostly German and American). While I am fairly sure that alternative ways of maintaining this equipment are being devised this isn't 100% guaranteed.

    Considering the new pipelines they want to build through Mongolia to China they are going to need to sort their shit out regarding pumping turbines anyway.

    You are trying to argue with folks who have an ideology-driven inability to see any Russkie weakness.
    And a natural charm to put every single one to the 5th column barking

    The Russians don't know what they are doing and need the intellectual giants at Kommersant to warn them of something they could never have seen coming in a million years... but my ideology is the problem.

    Which ideology is that by the way?

    They still - after 20 years of investments - haven't succeeded in connecting a whole country into a single infrastructure.

    Why do you think such a structure would be needed?

    And if it is critical then the real bastard will be joining on Kaliningrad... Razz

    What sort of state is the US electrical grid in?

    How about the unified single EU power grid... I am sure that is working just fine.

    If you are going to be throwing stones make sure you do it outside your green house in your garden of plenty.

    There are things in the jungle that wont just throw those stones back.

    They can send electricity generates in Moscow region to Sakhalin, but the transfer losses will be nulling any reason to do so.

    In a single sentence you show why a single electricity grid makes no sense at all, yet you continue...

    Mobile water based power generation systems can deliver power anywhere they need it when that is fully ready.

    The Russians are also restarting some coal power stations in the Donbass. But as always these power stations might get attacked.
    The Ukrainians have even attempted drone attacks at the Kursk NPP. It is right over the border.

    So they are creating solutions... anything can be attacked... that is no reason to worry much about. Put measures in place to make any attack as costly as possible and as unlikely to succeed as possible and continue to kill the threat.

    There is a Lugansk power plant that operates on gas, with 820MW output.
    Works on gas now, but will be switched back to coal to increase the local economy.
    It was constructed in the 60s ...

    Look forward to the article in the Kommersant telling us how it is destroying the planet... lovely big high res images touched up... perhaps with an overlay of the smoke from the Kuznetsov to really rub things in... Rolling Eyes

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    Post  ALAMO Wed Feb 14, 2024 4:21 am

    Look ...
    This is what the oppositional press is supposed to do.
    And is doing.
    As long as there is freedom of speech in a country, they can do it without issues.
    Medusa was not taken down because of spreading shit, but because of being financed from abroad.
    You are forgetting that demanding a single tone in everything is not different from what is western shitstream is doing. Only the vector differs.
    I live in crazy times when my country is being devastated by two groups of tribal-level madmen.
    They have constructed a system, where both tribes have their own line of history, interpretation of the present situation, and perspectives.
    If one of those apes will call the sky is blue, the other tribe ape will start to yap that it is not blue at all.
    Nobody will convince them, that white is white, and black is black!

    A sane opposition is a gift. Kommersant might not be a clear example of a sane opposition press, still is way better than you can spot in the EU countries calling themself "democracies" and "free countries".
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    Post  kvs Wed Feb 21, 2024 9:16 am

    In spite of the hot air about how skeptics of Kommersant's propaganda drivel are all blind ideologues, the fact remains that gas power plants can
    be put up in less than two years. The Siemens turbine issue for the Crimean one is irrelevant old news. The Crimean gas power plant demonstrates
    the construction timescale.

    As usual we have the inferior Russia drivel being pushed like there is no tomorrow. Here in Ontario, Kanada, no new nuclear power plants are being
    built and only gas power plants are being deployed to replace coal power plants. I do not hear any whinging about how Ontario, Canada's largest
    province by population and economy, is facing a crisis. This is even though the flux of migrants into the country goes primarily into Ontario and
    secondarily into British Columbia. This flux of migrants is over 400,000 per year.

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