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All we have to do , is develop land trade routes in Asia . Cheaper then fighting their navy at sea . Where land route is blocked by hostile nation . Like usraeli blockade of Africa route . Then coastal defences must be set up in friendly nations . To allow ships to hug the coastline . And skip from port to port . Some coastal nations become strategically important . Such as coastal nations of the Arabian peninsula and horn of Africa . They can be helped along the road to independence . By investment and trade . Fighting becomes cheap when people are on your side .
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Aircraft carrier Gerald R. Ford transferred to the US Navy
http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2744611.html
http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2744611.html
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George1 wrote:Aircraft carrier Gerald R. Ford transferred to the US Navy
Gotta hand it to the Americans, they build them big, they build them strong
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The first take-offs and landings on the aircraft carrier Gerald R. Ford
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For all the forum trolls who think that their pathetic whinging about Russian delays are of epic significance:
https://www.checkpointasia.net/americas-new-ford-class-is-a-study-in-how-not-to-build-a-carrier/
Reality meets NATO propaganda fantasy wunderwaffen.
https://www.checkpointasia.net/americas-new-ford-class-is-a-study-in-how-not-to-build-a-carrier/
The Navy had expected to have the ship delivered in 2014 at a cost of $10.5 billion . But the inevitable problems resulting from the concurrency the Navy built into developing Ford’s new and risky technologies, more than a dozen in all , caused the schedule to slip by more than three years and the cost to increase to $12.9 billion—nearly 25 percent over budget.
The problems with the ship’s systems, including the catapult, are well-known. But Trump still caught virtually every Pentagon watcher off guard when, in the middle of a wide-ranging Time interview , he said he had directed the Navy to abandon the new “digital” aircraft catapult on future Ford-class carriers. Instead he wants the Navy to revert to the proven steam catapults, which have been in use for decades.
The president is correct when he says there are significant problems with the Ford’s “digital” catapult, but abandoning it in future ships will pose significant problems.
The Ford’s “digital” catapult is, in fact, the Electromagnetic Launch System, or EMALS. It was designed to provide the boost necessary for aircraft to reach take-off speed within the short deck length of an aircraft carrier. In the long run, it is intended to be lighter, more reliable and less expensive than the steam system .
Unfortunately, the EMALS is immature technology, and its development is proceeding concurrently with the ship’s design and development. So far, the program has not lived up to the promises made.
Reality meets NATO propaganda fantasy wunderwaffen.
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If the US want's an EMALS they should have built an onshore version and installed the motive components below ground to a converted an air-strip, then test the beejesus outta it before committing to a carrier.. Fast-tracking it in parallel with a CVN build was always guaranteed to be a cost & schedule group wipe.
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I´m pretty sure they tested it. Building such a facility brings a lot of money! But it´s a controlled enviroment, like a laboratory, not a working ship.
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Hole wrote:I´m pretty sure they tested it. Building such a facility brings a lot of money! But it´s a controlled enviroment, like a laboratory, not a working ship.
Actually, AFAIK they did no such thing, short of R&D testing of prototype components, and the under-performance and severe reliability issues of the Fords EMAL is testimony to that fact. They intended to progress the design while constructing, and sort out the bugs during vessel shakedown, and its proved to be a clusterf*ck.
There is a real possibility that the Ford will need to be painted white and have a huge pair of tusks installed on either side of the bow...
Her prestige value to the USN will be on a par with the mighty Zumwalt sans railgunz and smart solid-gold arty shells! or the LCS failed-effort at creating an effective cheap light combatant.
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Remove the EMALS & arrestors, hand it over to the Marines for a super Assault Carrier? 
Though they'd also have to rebuild the deck to handle F-35B exhaust heat...
Better: remove EMALS, keep arrestors (did they actually get those working properly yet?) build ski-jump & suddenly discover that STOBAR is actually a fantastic idea!
Though they'd also have to rebuild the deck to handle F-35B exhaust heat...
Better: remove EMALS, keep arrestors (did they actually get those working properly yet?) build ski-jump & suddenly discover that STOBAR is actually a fantastic idea!
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A few billions will solve all this problems. And if they don´t, the western PR machine will pretend that this is the best ship ever constructed. If you question it you are an agent of Putin!
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hoom wrote:Remove the EMALS & arrestors, hand it over to the Marines for a super Assault Carrier?
Assault Carriers need to be able to carry vehicles, manpower and munitions and to carry landing craft for delivering them to shore. Nah, either the Ford gets fixed to do the job its intended to do or her White Elephant status will become official.
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First two America class are without well decks, various other bits optimised for aviation focus.Assault Carriers need to be able to carry vehicles, manpower and munitions and to carry landing craft for delivering them to shore.
I imagine you could fit a lot of vehicles, manpower & munitions in the existing hangar, accommodation & magazines of Ford while still carrying more aircraft than an America/Wasp.
Anyway, just making a bit of a joke
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But you would need cranes to bring the vehicles onto land.
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For all the forum trolls who think that their pathetic whinging about Russian delays are of epic significance:
GarryB Fri Aug 10, 2018 2:07 am
Actually, AFAIK they did no such thing, short of R&D testing of prototype components, and the under-performance and severe reliability issues of the Fords EMAL is testimony to that fact. They intended to progress the design while constructing, and sort out the bugs during vessel shakedown, and its proved to be a clusterf*ck.
The technologies needed for an EMALS system have a range of other applications and are seriously the sort of stuff you find as you make your way through the black mesa plant in Half Life.
Of course it wont be perfect... it took decades to get steam cats right too... and lots of expensive planes ended up in the drink.
Experience with steam cats means nothing with EMALs, so the Americans are not in a better position to build one than anyone else... in fact it comes to materials and physics... I would say Russia is in no worse a position... except funding... obviously the Americans throw money at problems which can sometimes help.
Hopefully the Russians look at all the applications and have a much broader team working on this and other similar programmes to solve the problems.
There is a real possibility that the Ford will need to be painted white and have a huge pair of tusks installed on either side of the bow...
Possibility... with Kinzhal and Poseiden... that ship has already sailed...
Not to mention the economic collapse Trump is causing...
But you would need cranes to bring the vehicles onto land.
EM cats to throw them ashore... super fast deployment...
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The US Navy issued a contract for the construction of two nuclear aircraft carriers
On January 31, 2019, a signing ceremony was held by the US Department of Defense shipyard Huntington Ingalls Industries - Newport News Shipbuilding (Newport News, Virginia) of a contract worth $ 14.91773838145 billion for the US Navy at once two regular (third and fourth) Gerald R. Ford nuclear aircraft carriers with hull numbers CVN 80 and CVN 81. With two more additional contracts issued on the same day (worth $ 263.096868 million and $ 31.097671 million, respectively) for additional work on the technical design of these ships and on the design of improvements in the project, the total value of one-time contracts received on January 31 by Huntington Ingalls Industries - Newport News Shipbuilding reaches $ 15.212 billion.
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3519438.html
On January 31, 2019, a signing ceremony was held by the US Department of Defense shipyard Huntington Ingalls Industries - Newport News Shipbuilding (Newport News, Virginia) of a contract worth $ 14.91773838145 billion for the US Navy at once two regular (third and fourth) Gerald R. Ford nuclear aircraft carriers with hull numbers CVN 80 and CVN 81. With two more additional contracts issued on the same day (worth $ 263.096868 million and $ 31.097671 million, respectively) for additional work on the technical design of these ships and on the design of improvements in the project, the total value of one-time contracts received on January 31 by Huntington Ingalls Industries - Newport News Shipbuilding reaches $ 15.212 billion.
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3519438.html
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It's official: the CVN-75 is to retire early
China mission killed 1 CVN w/o firing a shot!
https://www.asiatimes.com/2019/03/article/official-cites-china-as-us-carrier-exits-early/
China mission killed 1 CVN w/o firing a shot!
https://www.asiatimes.com/2019/03/article/official-cites-china-as-us-carrier-exits-early/
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Tsavo Lion wrote:It's official: the CVN-75 is to retire early
China mission killed 1 CVN w/o firing a shot!
https://www.asiatimes.com/2019/03/article/official-cites-china-as-us-carrier-exits-early/
This may be just a ploy by the USN to get more money. Congress is unlikely to agree as there is lots of money to go round with a refurb, know what I mean?
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First two Ford class carrier are not able to use f-35. And their cost reached 13 billion $ each.
Isos Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:56 pm
https://news.usni.org/2019/06/03/congress-unhappy-with-ford-class-inability-to-deploy-with-f-35-fighters
First two Ford class carrier are not able to use f-35. And their cost reached 13 billion $ each.
First two Ford class carrier are not able to use f-35. And their cost reached 13 billion $ each.
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But they'll be able to use the F-35Bs, the STOVL variant, to save the day!
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If the S400 detectes the F35 at 35km compare to 200km for f16/f15/f18/su35 like the Turkish say, then the F35 is certainly worthwhile.
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Hannibal Barca wrote:If the S400 detectes the F35 at 35km compare to 200km for f16/f15/f18/su35 like the Turkish say, then the F35 is certainly worthwhile.
Even the small radar of su-35 can detect it at much greater distance than 35km, a much bigger s-400 radar will detect from great distances.
Nebo and other gamma radars will spot it at even greater distances.
Most of the time S-400 command post will tell another buk or pantsir to destroy it before it can reach the s-400 thanks to the IADS.
If it was really 35km, US wouldn't be so affraid to sell f-35s to turkey knowing they will get s-400.
Anyway back to the topic, 13 billion a carrier not ready to carry f-35 and those f-35 still having major defaults isn't really a success for the US navy. They will still operate mostly f-18 in the next 15 years.
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But hang on... the Fords don't have back up steam cats, so they wont be operating any F-18s either... it will be vertical take off F-35s or biplanes...
There are a range of different radars that support S-400, so if the sets being sold to Turkey only detect export F-35s at 35km I suspect they are not getting the full spec system.
A bit fishy that the F-35 can be detected at 35km... does that mean a MiG-21 can be detected at 21km?
Of course it is all a bit redundant as the US seems set to ensure they don't enter service together within the same force structure...
There are a range of different radars that support S-400, so if the sets being sold to Turkey only detect export F-35s at 35km I suspect they are not getting the full spec system.
A bit fishy that the F-35 can be detected at 35km... does that mean a MiG-21 can be detected at 21km?
Of course it is all a bit redundant as the US seems set to ensure they don't enter service together within the same force structure...
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+ tilt-rotors, helos & UAVs. Bad news for EMALS fans! Perhaps they could install a rump so the lightly armed F-18s can use it! Their AWACSs can fly off a different CVN. Otherwise, it would be super LHAN with 2x+ the aircraft... the Fords don't have back up steam cats, so they wont be operating any F-18s either... it will be vertical take off F-35s or biplanes...
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they could still sell it to India, after installing a ramp, and let it operate mig 29kTsavo Lion wrote:+ tilt-rotors, helos & UAVs. Bad news for EMALS fans! Perhaps they could install a rump so the lightly armed F-18s can use it! Their AWACSs can fly off a different CVN. Otherwise, it would be super LHAN with 2x+ the aircraft... the Fords don't have back up steam cats, so they wont be operating any F-18s either... it will be vertical take off F-35s or biplanes...
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