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    Post  collegeboy16 on Sun Feb 16, 2014 9:18 am

    GarryB wrote:I strongly suspect the light 5th gen fighter will be stealthy but also cheaper and as such be very appealing on the international market.

    However I strongly suspect that current F-35 operators will not make such a political statement as to change from a US fighter to a Russian one... no matter how much it costs them.
     
    Simples really, just take a page from the west book of marketing- make a consortium. The Italians have no problems marketing the m346 trainer aircraft and the euros have their own avionics and weapons plus possibly engines.
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    Post  nemrod on Sun Feb 16, 2014 5:55 pm

    collegeboy16 wrote:
    Simples really, just take a page from the west book of marketing- make a consortium. The Italians have no problems marketing the m346 trainer aircraft and the euros have their own avionics and weapons plus possibly engines.

    Sincerly, seeing these huge US problems :

    http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2014-02-05/opinion/ct-chicago-debt-edit-0205-20140205_1_bond-sales-chicago-public-schools-debt

    http://washingtoninformer.com/news/2014/feb/08/report-child-poverty-us-escalating/


    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/05/us/politics/senate-passes-long-stalled-farm-bill.html

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/11/opinion/brooks-the-american-precariat.html?_r=0

    http://www.msnbc.com/all-0

    I think, the JSF, will have the same Yak-141's destiny.
    As the Yak-141 was cancelled du to dramatic economic soviet problem, caused by the collapse of the Soviet Union, I don't see, why,
    the JSF could avoid the same fate.
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    Post  nemrod on Tue Mar 25, 2014 1:14 pm

    F-35's saga is continuing by this time Italy's case. Rome would finally buy only 45 F-35 ?

    http://www.defensenews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2014303170015

    The reason invoked is budget cuts, however, what is the the truth behind ?
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    Post  nemrod on Mon Apr 07, 2014 5:07 pm


    F-35'saga continue :

    Software could delays F-35B deliveries

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    Post  Viktor on Mon Apr 28, 2014 3:55 am

    From 131 to just 45 in two quick moves

    Italy halved the purchase order fighter F-35 "Lightning 2"
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    Post  nemrod on Wed Apr 30, 2014 1:53 pm


    US stealth fighter jet can’t evade Russian radars

    http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/04/29/360578/us-stealth-jet-cant-evade-russia-radars/


    The US’s newly developed radar-evading F-35 Joint Strike Fighter will not be able to escape Russian radars.

    “The F-35 Joint Strike Fighter... is not, in fact, stealthy in the eyes of a growing number of Russian and Chinese radars,” the Aviation Week said.

    It said the jet, which the Pentagon hopes would be stealthy, is “having all sorts of shortcomings.”

    The report said the jet is not even effective in “jamming enemy radar”, adding the US Defense Department is spending “hundreds of billions of dollars” for a “fighter that will need the help of specialized jamming aircraft.”

    It said the F-35 is even “susceptible to detection by radars operating in the VHF bands of the spectrum.”

    The report said Russian armed forces have been armed with a “highly counterstealth radar system” – unveiled at an air show near Moscow last August – that is able to “track small targets once the VHF radar has detected them.”

    The F-35 has not been equipped with “onboard jamming,” the report said.

    “Had the JSF requirements been tightened by one iota since the program started, its advocates would be blaming that for the delays and overruns,” it said.

    The new US fighter’s “jamming is mostly confined to the X-band,” the report said.

    Speculation about the US fighter comes at a time US President Barack Obama is apparently set to turn the ongoing crisis in Ukraine into a war with Russia.

    Tensions between Moscow and the West mounted after Crimea separated from Ukraine and requested to join Russia after a referendum on March 16, in which nearly 97 percent of the participants voted for rejoining Russia. Moscow subsequently accepted Crimea’s request.
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    Post  nemrod on Wed Apr 30, 2014 9:13 pm


    F-35'saga continue. Things turning bad.
    This time may be it is the JSF' funerals.
    http://www.migflug.com/jetflights/5th-generation-fighter-jets-too-expensive.html

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    Post  nemrod on Wed Jun 04, 2014 9:38 pm



    http://www.migflug.com/jetflights/f-35-biggest-aviation-project-ever.html
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    Post  Hannibal Barca on Thu Jun 05, 2014 2:00 pm

    For us it will be a tragedy if F35 canceled. I would give my kidney this not to happen.
    Continuing the program and ending up with this turd with wings it's much more annoying for the enemy than starting all over again even if they come up
    with a much less ambitious plane and even with an extra decade of delays and even if this mean a small total number of planes.
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    Post  Werewolf on Thu Jun 05, 2014 2:53 pm

    The US has my full support on replacing all F16,F18 and A-10's with F-35s, helps the rest of the world not getting invaded and killed.
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    Post  collegeboy16 on Thu Jun 05, 2014 3:05 pm

    your plane has to be really bad when your enemy is saying go for it...
    oh well, as Werewolf said, would prolly save a lot of lives in the future- would make the decision makers think one more time
    when they know their plane isnt that good.
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    Post  BlackArrow on Thu Jun 05, 2014 9:21 pm

    I think the F-35 will be great success just like most if not all American tactical aicraft built since the 1940s. Who has bought any MiG-29s lately?
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    Post  Werewolf on Thu Jun 05, 2014 9:31 pm

    BlackArrow wrote: I think the F-35 will be great success just like most if not all American tactical aicraft built since the 1940s. Who has bought any MiG-29s lately?

    Like the Starfighter?

    Germany bought around 900 of F-104 Starfighters and lost around 420, not a single was engaged by any weapon, they are just shit planes.

    After this Starfighter desaster there was even talk about banning Lockheed Martin products, which were shut up immidiatley since Germany is occupied by the US.
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    Post  sepheronx on Thu Jun 05, 2014 9:32 pm

    BlackArrow wrote: I think the F-35 will be great success just like most if not all American tactical aicraft built since the 1940s. Who has bought any MiG-29s lately?

    India, Burma are two examples. Apparently Egypt is interested and I think Bangledesh ordered some.

    Nice attempt at trolling though.

    I can troll too! At least no Russian jet suffocates its pilots like F-22 has. BTW, anotger F-18 lost again today.
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    Post  BlackArrow on Thu Jun 05, 2014 9:47 pm

    God, you guys are fast...

    F-104 - safety record no worse than its contemporaries from the 1950s, probably better than the MiG-21's, who knows? I see the IAF lost another MiG-21 this week. Killed its pilot too.

    India, Burma are two examples. Apparently Egypt is interested and I think Bangledesh ordered some. wrote:

    Burma, Bangladesh? Now you are trolling. India bought the MiG-29K because they bought the Kuznetsov carrier - all part of the same deal. The Indian air force refused to buy the MiG-35, Algeria returned their SMTs.

    F-22 hasn't killed any more pilots than the Su-30MKI? how many MKIs have been lost in the IAF, 3?
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    Post  sepheronx on Thu Jun 05, 2014 10:12 pm

    BlackArrow wrote:God, you guys are fast...

    F-104 - safety record no worse than its contemporaries from the 1950s, probably better than the MiG-21's, who knows? I see the IAF lost another MiG-21 this week. Killed its pilot too.  



    Burma, Bangladesh? Now you are trolling. India bought the MiG-29K because they bought the Kuznetsov carrier - all part of the same deal. The Indian air force refused to buy the MiG-35, Algeria returned their SMTs.

    F-22 hasn't killed any more pilots than the Su-30MKI? how many MKIs have been lost in the IAF, 3?

    5Th gen is being matketed as bees nees. So far, nope. And Indian pilots and maintenance. How many Su-30'S in Russian service crashed and killed pilots?

    As well: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/bangladesh/air-force-modernization.htm

    And:

    http://en.take-off.ru/news/102/603

    Burma.

    Also, look up MiG-29UPG for India.
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    Post  Werewolf on Fri Jun 06, 2014 1:29 am

    BlackArrow wrote:God, you guys are fast...

    F-104 - safety record no worse than its contemporaries from the 1950s, probably better than the MiG-21's, who knows? I see the IAF lost another MiG-21 this week. Killed its pilot too.  

    Definetley not, the MiG-21 and their operators have not lost almost 50% of their MiG-21 fleet in only 23 years without enemy engagement, German pilots and maintenance are rather good considering some Arabic countries under embargos who operated MiG-21s and still Starfighter fall from the sky like no other plane ever before.

    The Starfighter has its reputation very well deserved as the Meteor, engine problems like no other plane.

    He belongs in top 3 of the biggest failure in military aviation fighter jets, while MiG-21 is among the most succesful fighters and with various upgrades still very useful for smaller budget countries, and most certainly still lethal against F-35 in a dogfight.
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Jun 06, 2014 10:00 am

    Now you are trolling. India bought the MiG-29K because they bought the Kuznetsov carrier - all part of the same deal. The Indian air force refused to buy the MiG-35, Algeria returned their SMTs.

    India bought the MiG-29K for all its new carriers including the Gorshkov Kiev Class carrier they bought. The Kuznetsov is not for sale.

    The Indian Air Force didn't buy the MiG-35 because they didn't want an all Russian fleet, so it failed because it was Russian.

    Algeria returned the SMTs because Sukhoi offered them Su-30s at the same price... the Russian AF accepted those SMT into service and has ordered some more while they wait for the MiG-35s.
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    Post  BlackArrow on Sun Jun 08, 2014 11:59 pm

    Werewolf wrote:
    BlackArrow wrote:God, you guys are fast...

    F-104 - safety record no worse than its contemporaries from the 1950s, probably better than the MiG-21's, who knows? I see the IAF lost another MiG-21 this week. Killed its pilot too.  

    Definetley not, the MiG-21 and their operators have not lost almost 50% of their MiG-21 fleet in only 23 years without enemy engagement, German pilots and maintenance are rather good considering some Arabic countries under embargos who operated MiG-21s and still Starfighter fall from the sky like no other plane ever before.

    The Starfighter has its reputation very well deserved as the Meteor, engine problems like no other plane.

    He belongs in top 3 of the biggest failure in military aviation fighter jets, while MiG-21 is among the most succesful fighters and with various upgrades still very useful for smaller budget countries, and most certainly still lethal against F-35 in a dogfight.

    I don't know where you get your information from? 50% of all F-104s lost in accidents? Nonsense, I think it's about 35%. I think it' s accepted today that the Starfighter probably was no worse than it's peers from the 1950s - Certainly no worse than the MiG-21 or Su-7. Check out this website for a review of Soviet crash statistics for the MiG-21 and Su-7.

    http://vadimvswar.narod.ru/ALL_OUT/AiKOut06/Su-7B/Su-7B075.htm
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    Post  TR1 on Mon Jun 09, 2014 12:48 am

    Many MiG-21 operators had nothing like the crash rate the Germans had with the Starfighter.

    But in general yes, fighter operations were dangerous then.
    Though it is funny to see people desperately try to deny that any US fighter could possible have a worse crash record than a Soviet counterpart.

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    Post  TR1 on Mon Jun 09, 2014 12:49 am

    BlackArrow wrote: I think the F-35 will be great success just like most if not all American tactical aicraft built since the 1940s. Who has bought any MiG-29s lately?

    Lol. That is a moronic comparison and you know it.

    By this standard we can say every Soviet tactical plane was a great success as well.

    Seriously, go ahead and pat yourself on the back, no one else will do it for you.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Mon Jun 09, 2014 2:52 am

    TR1 wrote:Many MiG-21 operators had nothing like the crash rate the Germans had with the Starfighter.

    But in general yes, fighter operations were dangerous then.
    Though it is funny to see people desperately try to deny that any US fighter could possible have a worse crash record than a Soviet counterpart.

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    I think the most dangerous Soviet aircraft were the iterations of VTOL aircraft, that didn't stop Lockheed Martin from buying the VTOL blueprints from Yakovlev. From Afghanistan to VTOL aircraft, seems like the US establishment likes to make the same mistakes the Soviets made lol! Embarassed 
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    Post  As Sa'iqa on Fri Jul 04, 2014 10:24 am

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/04/us-grounds-entire-f-35-fighter-jet-fleet?CMP=twt_fd
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    Post  nemrod on Mon Jul 07, 2014 1:23 pm

    As Sa'iqa wrote:http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/04/us-grounds-entire-f-35-fighter-jet-fleet?CMP=twt_fd

    Somewhere not a bad news, seeing the the F-35's saga, I wonder wether I won't be a fan of the F-35.

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    Post  nemrod on Tue Aug 26, 2014 12:55 pm



    http://www.businessinsider.com/this-map-explains-the-f-35-fiasco-2014-8


    The Pentagon has stuck with the F-35 Lightning Joint Strike Fighter program despite dozens of technical problems and delays, strategic concerns, and massive cost overruns that have nearly doubled the initial cost estimate, raising the cost of building the planes to around $400 billion with a lifetime cost of up to $1.5 trillion.

    One reason why the project has become such a boondoggle is that many states and countries are significantly invested in the plane, relying on its production for income and jobs.

    Every U.S. state but Alaska, Hawaii, Nebraska, and Wyoming has economic ties to the F-35, with 18 states counting on the project for $100 million or more in economic activity, according to primary contractor Lockheed Martin. All told, the project is supposedly responsible for 32,500 jobs in the U.S. Globally, another nine countries have major ties to the F-35.

    One way or another, America's multirole fifth-generation fighter is coming — though it was most recently delayed to September 2017.

    Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/this-map-explains-the-f-35-fiasco-2014-8#ixzz3BUick6xr



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