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    Post  nomadski Fri Sep 25, 2020 1:12 pm


    This Charlie Hebdo saga must end. The world and also the western countries confuse freedom of speech with incitement to hatred. Freedom of speech or action, can be defined as any action that is socially constructive. Not destructive.

    If anyone does not know the difference, then as a general rule, speech that can be spoken publicly, without giving rise to violence, can be viewed as free speech. This of course under peaceful and not war conditions.

    The broad humor of caricatures and satire can not be a precise critique of any religion or philosophy. And invariably and unfairly targets the entire ideology and the community. Scapegoating and sidelining entire communities.

    One can, from a rational and scientific and historical view, critique any person's or ideology or religion. This form should be reserved for talking about religions. Nobody will then feel violent or hard done by. That speech is truly free speech. The rest is incitement and hatred.

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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Fri Sep 25, 2020 2:09 pm

    Why the heck are Muslims so insecure about their religion that publihsing mere caricatures causes rioting on several continents?

    Why don't we have massive proteest in Buddhist countries when caricatures of Buddha are published?

    But I agree, this has to stop.
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    Post  nomadski Fri Sep 25, 2020 4:43 pm


    The reason Muslims react strongly to depictions of prophet ( pbuh), is to do with requirements of their faith. Not permitting it. We can say that is central to their religion. Post Islam, all art in Islamic countries, was without depiction of holy figures, and in some cases even non - religious figures. Some Muslim households do not even display photo of family. A form of iconoclast.

    So by displaying a picture, they are curtailing religious rights of Muslims. But not just that. They humiliate them, by stating that the religious figures were terrorists. And this has implications for safety and welfare of five million Muslims, living in France.

    Having said this, the reaction by a minority extremists, who kill, can not be justified at all. They are guilty of murder. However the Muslims can protest. And argue their case in courts of law, against discrimination. And for their religious rights. And social and human rights.
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    Post  kvs Fri Sep 25, 2020 5:14 pm

    nomadski wrote:
    The reason Muslims react strongly to depictions of prophet ( pbuh),  is to do with requirements of their faith. Not permitting it. We can say that is central to their religion. Post Islam, all art in Islamic countries, was without depiction of holy figures, and in some cases even non - religious figures. Some Muslim households do not even display photo of family. A form of iconoclast.

    So by displaying a picture, they are curtailing religious rights of Muslims. But not just that. They humiliate them, by stating that the religious figures were terrorists. And this has implications for safety and welfare of five million Muslims, living in France.

    Having said this, the reaction by a minority extremists, who kill, can not be justified at all. They are guilty of murder. However the Muslims can protest. And argue their case in courts of law, against discrimination. And for their religious rights. And social and human rights.

    Charlie Crap-DO is a smear operation. It smears all the designated enemies of the crusader west aka NATzO. Funny how Crap-DO never makes any derogatory
    cartoons about Jews or any of the PC dogma privileged groups such as trannies, pedophiles and other sodomites.

    I will never forgive this racist western scum and their "joke cartoons" of Russian tragedies. It's not humour, it is simple pissing on the victims.
    Maybe the French find this amusing. I could give a flying f*ck. The victim has the right to decide what is offensive.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Sat Sep 26, 2020 1:42 am

    If only I could press the "like" button more than once...
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    Post  GarryB Sat Sep 26, 2020 8:34 am

    It has always been "fun" to make fun of people who are different so you and your friends can laugh at how different they are.

    Normally however, when those people get upset or offended you stop because if it really is only supposed to be a bit of fun then of course you would stop if it upset the person you were trying to amuse.

    The difference here is that they are trying to be offensive, but to a group they think their audience don't like very much, so they can make fun of musicians dying in a plane crash as long as they are Russian for instance.

    It is a bit like US comedy these days... you make fun of Trump, because the liberal audience expects that. They don't want balance, they want people with the same biases they have and they want to attack their enemies because that makes them feel better about not currently being in power.

    All they ever talk about is what Trump did now... everything is Trumps fault according to Hollywierd... he will probably get reelected... hahaha...
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    Post  nomadski Sat Sep 26, 2020 11:04 am


    It is possible that Muslims can avoid the Christian practice of drinking Alcohol. Because Alcohol is served in some private venue. So the religious rights of Muslims are not disregarded. It is possible for Muslims to avert their gaze, when confronted by a nudist, walking about in a public space. Their rights are not in danger. But it is not possible for Muslims to avoid hatred directed at them, because of incitement. Their rights then are not respected. You can not contain hate.

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    Post  Aristide Sun Sep 27, 2020 9:16 am

    We are a secular nation. Islam only exists to be mad fun off.

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:27 pm

    A few days ago a french teacher (of history and geography) was beheaded in the suburbs of Paris, allegedly by a Chechen teen.

    Apparently during a lesson on freedom of expres​sion(they do  not have enough content for normal history classes evidently)  he showed some satirical content on Islam, and  after a couple of days he was murdered.

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/17/europe/paris-suburb-man-decapitated-intl/index.html

    France welcomed all the innocent chechen terrorists that were escaping from the persecution of FSB in Russia and now they can enjoy the results. Well at least Russia and Chechnya itself is a safer place now thanks to many terrorists and their family moving to Gallia.

    It is not the first time France helped terrorists, anyway. They welcomed or helped escaping many terrorists from Brigate Rosse, a left extremist terrorist group responsible for many atrocities in Italy (including the Piazza Fontana bombing in Milan, the Bologna massacre and the kidnapping and killing of Aldo Moro, a politician and former Italian prime minister).


    "Quia ventum seminabunt, et turbinem metent."

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    Post  kvs Sat Oct 17, 2020 3:25 pm

    Real freedom of speech is being able to talk truth to power. Making retarded cartoons smearing whole ethnic groups is just racist shit.
    Funny how talking truth to power in Canada and elsewhere is being censored by hate speech laws and PC "sensitivity" where SJW
    mobs can cancel people for having the "wrong" opinion. Twitter is blocking content from some of the US MSM, the New York Post,
    revealing Biden's corruption and hate. Facebook censors any content it thinks is "offensive", which includes truth about abuses
    committed by NATzO regimes.

    So don't bleat here with the crap that Charlie Crap-DO is "freedom of speech". It is regime approved, PC outlet that only attacks
    allowed targets. Charlie Crap-DO is pure propaganda.

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sat Oct 17, 2020 4:00 pm

    Rodion_Romanovic wrote:A few days ago a french teacher (of history and geography) was beheaded in the suburbs of Paris, allegedly by a Chechen teen.

    Apparently during a lesson on freedom of expres​sion(they do  not have enough content for normal history classes evidently)  he showed some satirical content on Islam, and  after a couple of days he was murdered.

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/17/europe/paris-suburb-man-decapitated-intl/index.html

    France welcomed all the innocent chechen terrorists that were escaping from the persecution of FSB in Russia and now they can enjoy the results. Well at least Russia and Chechnya itself is a safer place now thanks to many terrorists and their family moving to Gallia.

    It is not the first time France helped terrorists, anyway. They welcomed or helped escaping many terrorists from Brigate Rosse, a left extremist terrorist group responsible for many atrocities in Italy (including the Piazza Fontana bombing in Milan, the Bologna massacre and the kidnapping and killing of Aldo Moro, a politician and former Italian prime minister).


    "Quia ventum seminabunt, et turbinem metent."

    I remember a, Italian judge exposed that the the left wing terrorists in 1970's Italy were in fact NATO patsies from Operation Gladio. Apparently they were fascist holdovers from WW2, who dressed up as commies to be used to create artificial Cause Célèbre. Aldo Moro wanted to reconcile with the communists, but apparently the pedo Henry Kissenger was furious and had him liquidated.

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    Post  ahmedfire Sat Oct 17, 2020 5:59 pm


    People became so stupid searching for the trend , they would do anything for it .

    What if the Muslims in Europe did the same with Jesus or burn the piple or pee over it as the others do with Quran ,so we will keep our life burning the books of each other ?!

    Also i'm against some few Muslims who get angry because of such dumb actions , who cares if you burn the Quran or talked about the prophet with hate speech ,such incidents will not change anything ,it's just showing how dumb the people became with small minds .

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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Sat Oct 17, 2020 6:25 pm

    Even in the US (an ultra Christian society apparently) Jesus is often parodied openly for the sake of entertainment. One needs to be very insecure in order to react to mundane shit with such aggression.
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    Post  GarryB Sun Oct 18, 2020 2:42 am

    In Paupau New Guinea if you look a woman in the eye it means you want to take her into the bushes and have your way with her... if her brother or father sees you look her in the eye is is very likely he will attack you and try to beat you to death... or at least put you into a condition where you can't rape his sister/daughter... ie traction...

    There is a price to freedom of speech and that is that someone might take exception to what you are saying and attack you.

    It is not just muslims most people have a few topics they are more energetic and defensive about...

    Charlie Hebdo think it is funny to make fun of the deaths of Russian musicians in plane crashes, so of course deranged people breaking into their offices and murdering 11 of them... well crazy muslims... they aren't all bad... boom boom.

    Idiots have done stupid things all over the place whether it is murdering people in Moscow Theatres or children in schools in Beslan, or australian arseholes here in New Zealand murdering people he thought were bad because they were muslims... but they are all idiots and the results of their revolting actions has always turned me more against them.
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    Post  nomadski Mon Oct 19, 2020 7:27 am

    Agree. This cartoons, at this time, aimed at a discriminated and impoverished minority community. By the majority host community, that itself acted violently, by military action, against said communities in Africa or Asia. Means :  you have no rights. To safety or security. It is a war cry.


    I have idea for clever French Hebdo. Why not make a cartoon, of  decapitated teacher 's head, under a Guillotine of Charlie Hebdo, erected on poles of Liberte. The hooded executioner holding the rope.
    A Hebdo prophet cartoon arrives for the teacher to read. But he says ".... Put it in the basket..... I read later...."

    Very funny....... No....!  What the French lost creativity and Liberte....... Arrogant people.

    And  " Akhmed".... The emaciated thin and bearded teenager..... Is the Rope..... Connecting the Guillotine to the hands of the Hooded executioner........ But Rope is being pulled... .
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    Post  kvs Mon Oct 19, 2020 2:21 pm

    BTW, Charlie Crap-DO made fun of the Russian passenger jet that was bombed over the Sinai and not just the crash involving Russian
    musicians. Crap-DO makes fun of basically every Russian tragedy. And this is not dark humour. The crap that Crap-DO puts out
    isn't even funny.


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