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    Post  miketheterrible Tue Apr 24, 2018 11:57 pm

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    Post  kvs Wed Apr 25, 2018 12:30 am

    flamming_python wrote:Instead of worrying about Armenia you guys should be worrying about Belarus and Kazakhstan.

    The Belarussian FM was in London making business and investment deals while the Skripal incident was entering full diplomatic swing in mid-March. Lukashenko has recently being decreeing about the need to balance relations between the West and Russia.. a far cry from his earlier claims about Russian-Belarussian undivided brotherhood.

    Kazakhstan abstained during the Russian proposed resolution over the alleged chemical attack in Syrian Ghouta (only China and Bolivia voted for it). Today comes news that Kazakhstan has agreed on the use of its Aktau port and and another one, for the use of the US military in transiting cargoes into Afghanistan. We may now see US military chartered supply ships in the Caspian and US personnel in Kazakhstani Caspian ports.

    Russia will quite possibly be left with less and less allies in the near future as these various tin-point ex-Soviet dictators run scared of the increasing sanctions that the West is putting on Russia and hedge their bets... but for sure Armenia won't be one of those lost allies.

    This is what real corruption delivers: US subservience. All these clowns have money in western banks and Uncle Scumbag has them
    by their short and curlies. Idiots that call Putin corrupt should bugger on off to their promised lands.
    The Lukashenko regime needs to be purged since it is a soft species of North Korea. Kazakhstan is a corrupt nepotistic oligarchy.
    Looks like only Russia recovered from the the collapse of the USSR. All of these precious brotherly republics are failures. And not
    just that, they keep getting worse and worse like Ukraine.

    Unlike Ukraine, Belorus is a worthy target of Russian regime change operations. It should be fully re-assimilated into Russia. The
    trouble making Polish and other minorities can pack their bags if they don't like it.
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    Post  kvs Wed Apr 25, 2018 12:32 am

    miketheterrible wrote:2018 Armenian Velvet Revolution - Page 2 IMG_20180424_155352

    Idiot is as idiot does.

    Yeah, we know nothing.

    Whatever. Russia's best friends are its armed forces and its military hardware. Instead of wasting blood and treasure
    on various dreamers of the US mythical good life, Russia needs to be building more ICBMs and RBMs.
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    Post  miketheterrible Wed Apr 25, 2018 3:07 pm

    http://vestnikkavkaza.net/material/112114

    This just gets better and better.

    TheArmenian - so why do you guys bother with elections if only one (the loser) can protest till he gets into power? As well, how come they haven't actually kept him in jail?

    Anyway, looks like Ukraine 2.0 is heavy in the works. Guess the Armenian authorities should have been proactive in removing US and EU NGO's.
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    Post  miketheterrible Wed Apr 25, 2018 3:10 pm

    Seen this making rounds

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    Post  miketheterrible Wed Apr 25, 2018 3:14 pm

    http://vestnikkavkaza.net/news/Armenian-opposition-leader-calls-new-rally.html

    This Navalny of Armenia is wanting to be PM rather badly, to the point of destroying democracy in Armenia.
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    Post  miketheterrible Wed Apr 25, 2018 4:28 pm

    https://ria.ru/world/20180425/1519397608.html
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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Apr 26, 2018 5:35 am


    One of few guys whose opinion I trust and he has this to say:

    Events in Armenia: not a ‘colour revolution’

    http://theduran.com/events-in-armenia-not-a-colour-revolution/
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    Post  Odin of Ossetia Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:12 am

    TheArmenian wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:http://vestnikkavkaza.net/news/Zvezda-TV-channel-about-heroization-of-fascism-in-Armenia.html

    Seems Armenia has been actively pushing EU bullshit and glorification of Nazis. Wow. Screw Armenia. I say help Azerbaijan.

    Mike,
    When I said "bugger-off" , I really meant it.

    Have you looked at the date of the article you posted (November 2017)?
    The current leader (Sargsyan) is a fan of that controversial Armenian historical figure (Garegin Njdeh) who was anti-communist.
    Being anti-communist is not necessarily being Nazi/Fascist.

    There is no such thing as Nazi/fascism support stupidity in Armenia. This is no Ukraine or Baltics.

    There is no such thing as white or black in Armenian politics. Everything comes in shades of gray. The governments plays politics, the opposition plays politics, the oligarchs play politics, the Russians play their politics etc. etc. eventually, despite all the West's efforts, Armenia stays pro-Russia because there is no other way.

    Once again, this is not Ukraine or Baltics. Stop basing your opinions and conclusions on what happened in Ukraine or on some articles here and there.

    I am no going to spend my time writing pages to educate you on Armenian politics.
    What you wrote above is sheer stupidity based on your complete lack of knowledge about the situation/politics of Armenia.
    You really want Russia to help its centuries old enemy (Turkey = Azerbaijan) against it's centuries old and most loyal ally (Armenia)?....Pleeeeeeeeaze!

    So, once again: bugger off and don't post anything based on your ignorance.

    P.S. Sargsyan now has resigned. He shouldn't have gotten himself elected in the first place. Hopefully things will work out fine very quickly.



    Sounds like Armenians are a bunch of fence-sitters.

    "Nothing is black and white so monuments to Nazi collaborators are OK."

    I can imagine Poland getting away with this. If Poles did something like that, then it would have been made into a major anti-Polish argument in Russia. But Armenia? They are Eastern Orthodox, so I guess they can get away with it.

    http://www.tallarmeniantale.com/nazi-armenian-weems.htm

    http://www.tallarmeniantale.com/Nazi-Collaboration.htm


    It is like the UPA thing in Russia, apparently lots of Russians think UPA was Catholic, but in reality half of it was Eastern Orthodox. There was at least one Eastern Orthodox priest who was a commander of an UPA unit in Volhynia.


    Enough with this Eastern Orthodox bull-shit.

    If whoever is going to screw Russia from the inside out, it will likely be the Armenians.

    "Friends" with benefits.
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    Post  Svyatoslavich Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:41 am

    Odin of Ossetia wrote:But Armenia? They are Eastern Orthodox, so I guess they can get away with it.
    The major religion in Armenia is the Armenian Church, which split both from the Orthodox and Rome since the council of Chalcedonia in 451:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Apostolic_Church
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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Apr 30, 2018 9:29 pm


    If Worst Comes to Worst in Armenia... Then it won’t be a big deal for Russia.

    http://www.unz.com/akarlin/if-worst-comes-to-worst-in-armenia/

    Now to be sure, I still think my analysis here stands – Armenians genuinely do approve of Russia, and even if they didn’t, they certainly approve of Azerbaijan and Turkey far less, and with good reason – but if we do get an anti-Russian Armenian government…

    OTOH, Saakashvili also started off by saying he wanted better relations with Russia.

    Anyhow.

    What will happen if Armenia tells the moskal occupants to go home is that while the Starikovs and the Dugins and the Western Russophiles will throw a hissy fit, Russian nationalists will be quite platonic about it.

    Here’s why:

    1. Armenia benefits from its Russia relationship far more than does Russia. The Armenian Lobby is the most powerful ethnic lobby in Russian politics, and probably the only one that makes a discernible impact on Russian foreign policy.

    2. Armenia was a real geostrategic asset for the Russian Empire before World War I, when ethnic Armenians in the Ottoman Empire were a potential dagger in the backs of the Turks. Their desire to create a Greater Armenia tallied well with Russia’s centuries-long project to dismantle the Ottoman Empire, and it was their consequent loyalty to Petrograd that more than anything else spurred on the Armenian Genocide. Had Russia won the war, a Greater Armenia would have stretched deep into Anatolia, creating an Orthodox landbridge to Lebanon and the Holy Land. With Russia in control of Tsargrad, and the Greeks recreating Magna Graecia, the Turks would have been bottled up in the Anatolian highlands (perhaps no other nation was spared so catastrophic a 20th century fate as Turkey by the Russian Revolution). Russia, not Britain or the US, would have ruled over the Mediterranean.

    Today, these are all ancient pipedreams. The Mediterranean is an American lake and will remain so regardless of what happens in Syria. Turkey dominates the region, economically and demographically; if a century ago there around about as many Greeks and Armenians as there were Turks (!), today there are 80 million Turks to 10 million Greeks and 3 million Armenians. In this context, Armenia is strategically overrated. It is landlocked. It is surrounded by hostile and far more powerful states. It locks Russia into military commitments via the CSTO alliance – for instance, if the Turks were to open up a second front in support of an Azeri invasion of Nagorno-Karabakh. And Iran, a genuinely useful if prickly partner, is accessible via the Caspian anyway.

    3. There are negligible numbers of ethnic Russians in Armenia. An anti-Russian turn in Armenia will not impact on the welfare of ethnic Russians. Neither will Armenia reaping the results of its folly.

    4. Armenia’s friendship is highly situational. To be sure, it supports Russia today. And Jews also support the US. That doesn’t necessarily imply deep loyalty – just that both states advance their respective peoples’ ethnic genetic interests. When they perceived things were otherwise, they made that known. Obscure historical note: The “tradition” of terrorist bombings of the Moscow Metro began with Armenian nationalists in the 1970s.

    This is not surprising because Russia have any deep cultural, linguistic, or genetic links to Armenia. Is is its own ancient civilization that is highly distinct from Russia’s.

    Now ditching allies just because you know they aren’t that genuine in their love for you, or because they’re not not pulling their weight, doesn’t look good from the side. It’s not just bad from an ethical perspective, but a reputational one as well. Who’d want to be allies with a blackguard, anyway? This is why, unlike some Russian nationalists, I don’t support unilaterally dissolving the special relationship with Armenia. It’s dishonorable, and won’t bring obvious benefits anyway – for instance, it’s not like it will make Turkey into a genuine friend. However, this is not an excuse for allowing oneself to be cucked and enjoying it, so if the initiative comes from the Armenians themselves – well, no reason why Russia shouldn’t take them up on it.

    In this scenario, Azerbaijan will probably take the opportunity to resolve the Nagorno-Karabakh issue by force in the next few years. At least seeing the color revolutionaries vainly beseeching their Euro-Atlantic sponsors for help will be amusing. At this point, a rump Armenia terminally disillusioned with the West may go back to Russia anyway. But if it doesn’t, who cares, anyway. By then will be even more irrelevant than it is today.

    Main downside for Russia, apart from the obvious one of losing its last major (but isolated) military base in the South Caucasus, is hundreds of thousands of Armenian refugees, as the Azeris proceed to ethnically cleanse that region.

    Just to clarify. I don’t want Armenia to turn anti-Russian, nor – more importantly – do I think it will turn anti-Russian. Considering that both Foreign Policy magazine and the Kremlin agree, this is hardly a controversial perspective.

    However, if I and Foreign Policy and the Kremlin are all wrong, and the people who see an anti-Russian conspiracy underneath every color revolution are correct after all, it will, at least, not be Russians who will bear the brunt of the ensuing suffering, as happened in the Ukraine.
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    Post  ATLASCUB Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:08 pm

    Joke of an article.

    He forgets Russia is practically a land-locked country as well, considering the Far East is massively underdeveloped and to the North they only have ice.

    Thus, encircling such a nation with enemies is a sure way to keep it contained, pressured, and limit its growth/potential growth. Not to mention other variables. It's no surprising that this is the sole goal and strategy of Russia's enemies. Nuke Russia? what for? to get nuked back? there are more subtle, less costly ways, just as effective in achieving the aim.

    We get these articles for practically every ally Russia loses...literally translates to.... "aint no big deal"

    LOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLL. What a waste of time.
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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Apr 30, 2018 11:02 pm

    ATLASCUB wrote:.....
    He forgets Russia is practically a land-locked country as well, considering the Far East is massively underdeveloped and to the North they only have ice...........

    lol1

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    Post  The-thing-next-door Tue May 01, 2018 4:43 pm

    I just wanted to point out that Russia has many thousnads of troops in Armenia and stands a great deal to lose in terms of trust if it refuses to help one of its allies.

    The logical reaction if there is a coup would be to simply stop it by killing its leaders and if that fails to assist the Armian military in the defence of thier country.

    And the best part of all this? Russia gains the trust of thier allies and it barley costs them anything.
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    Post  kvs Wed May 02, 2018 3:01 am

    The-thing-next-door wrote:I just wanted to point out that Russia has many thousnads of troops in Armenia and stands a great deal to lose in terms of trust if it refuses to help one of its allies.

    The logical reaction if there is a coup would be to simply stop it by killing its leaders and if that fails to assist the Armian military in the defence of thier country.

    And the best part of all this? Russia gains the trust of thier allies and it barley costs them anything.

    You are simply wrong. Russia can only help its ally against foreign invaders. It cannot let it be seen to meddle in the domestic affairs of its ally.
    That would be Czechoslovakia all over again. It is up to Armenians to keep their house in order. How many Russian soldiers are stationed there
    makes no difference.
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    Post  GarryB Wed May 02, 2018 3:03 am

    Russia needs to do what it is doing now... step back and let Armenians sort out their internal problems without Russian interference.

    Armenians wont appreciate Russians coming in and telling them what to do... Russia cannot solve these problems... Armenia has to decide on solutions it wants to move forward with.
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    Post  The-thing-next-door Wed May 02, 2018 1:37 pm

    GarryB wrote:Russia needs to do what it is doing now... step back and let Armenians sort out their internal problems without Russian interference.

    Armenians wont appreciate Russians coming in and telling them what to do... Russia cannot solve these problems... Armenia has to decide on solutions it wants to move forward with.

    Russia can however chose to support and assist the Armenian goverment.

    And if a civil war breaks out Russia can intervene in order to help restre order.

    Russia can just do the same thing as they did in hunagry in the 1950s kill the terrorists and leave.

    It is Russias duty to protect thier allies and if they don't they start won't have any left.
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    Post  GarryB Thu May 03, 2018 2:55 am

    The problem is that if the Armenian government asks for Russian help is that the same as the Armenian people asking for help?

    Should Russia assist an Armenian leader that does not have the popular support of the people?
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    Post  The-thing-next-door Thu May 03, 2018 7:37 pm

    GarryB wrote:The problem is that if the Armenian government asks for Russian help is that the same as the Armenian people asking for help?

    Should Russia assist an Armenian leader that does not have the popular support of the people?

    If someone supports a ukiestan style illegal coup then they are a traitor and should be dealt with accordingly.

    In such a scenario Russia should just do the same thing they did in the 50s and send in the army not withdrawing until every last rebel,mercenary and cia agent is dead.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Thu May 03, 2018 8:38 pm

    The-thing-next-door wrote:
    GarryB wrote:The problem is that if the Armenian government asks for Russian help is that the same as the Armenian people asking for help?

    Should Russia assist an Armenian leader that does not have the popular support of the people?

    If someone supports a ukiestan style illegal coup then they are a traitor and should be dealt with accordingly.

    In such a scenario Russia should just do the same thing they did in the 50s and send in the army not withdrawing until every last rebel,mercenary and cia agent is dead.

    If it was possible, the coup would have happened. The guys are actually nothing more than useful idiots to other interests. Though there isn't any consensus of forces in the Parliament, so basically the real masterminds of this charade are waiting in the shadows.
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    Post  GarryB Sat May 05, 2018 7:13 am

    At best if there is a threat to law and order Russian forces could go in and control things while things get sorted out like they did in the Crimea, but it would have to be with the cooperation of local military and police forces in the interests of keeping the peace and social order.
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    Post  kvs Wed May 09, 2018 3:15 am

    https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/05/08/609364542/leader-of-armenias-velvet-revolution-takes-power-after-weeks-of-protests

    Triumph of idiocy.

    This clown better start lining up his country to rim job Uncle Scam since Russia is not going to stick its neck out.

    I bet one of the causes for this velvet coup was displeasure at Russia engaging Turkey in diplomacy. Who do you
    retards think that Uncle Scumbag has been supporting since basically WWI (the US prevented the formation of Kurdistan).
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    Post  miketheterrible Wed May 09, 2018 3:23 am

    He is trying to pleasure Moscow right now cause he knows that because of his little revolution, it could throw Armenia under the bus and lead to his death.
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    Post  kvs Wed May 09, 2018 5:14 am

    miketheterrible wrote:He is trying to pleasure Moscow right now cause he knows that because of his little revolution, it could throw Armenia under the bus and lead to his death.

    Any clown that spends all his time at the US embassy cannot possibly be considered credible.

    As the Russian saying goes: the tongue has no bones (yazik kostei ne imeyet). And all sorts of
    BS can be spouted that has zero worth.

    Russia needs to pull its military assets out of Armenia ASAP.
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    Post  GarryB Thu May 10, 2018 12:43 am

    What they need to do is prepare for the worst (ie transport aircraft ready) but talk to the guy.

    There are going to be people in Armenia who support him and people who don't... and neither will appreciate a foreign country coming in and making that decision for them... those who support him more than those that don't.

    Would America appreciate Russia going in in 2016 and removing Trump from power and putting Hilary in?

    Obviously that would not happen, but if it did you can bet your ass the Russians would be the bad guys...

    Of course they could have gone in and put one of the other candidates in power... I believe the female candidate Jill Stein for the Green party recently Tweeted:

    "Let's get this straight: Israel accused Iran of having a secret nuclear weapons program. Israel has a secret nuclear weapons program. Iran complies with all treaties and inspections. Israel complies with none. Who's the nuclear outlaw here?" Stein tweeted.

    (from this: https://sputniknews.com/analysis/201805081064260349-trump-iran-israel-nukes/ )

    Yeah, I think the world should invade the US to put Jill Stein into power...  Twisted Evil

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