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    Post  Hole Fri Jun 12, 2020 4:13 pm

    Same truck as the Phlox 120mm mortar system.
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    Post  GarryB Sat Jun 13, 2020 11:41 am

    Well with it being a standard wheeled vehicle I would expect either a Typhoon or Boomerang type wheeled base with it being more Typhoon armoured truck rather than Boomerang BTR type basis.

    Either way they will be a fraction of the cost to operate...
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    Post  JohninMK Sun Jun 14, 2020 10:58 pm

    What is this one?

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sun Jun 14, 2020 11:09 pm

    JohninMK wrote:What is this one?

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    The launcher portion looks photoshopped.
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    Post  GarryB Mon Jun 15, 2020 7:56 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:What is this one?

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    The launcher portion looks photoshopped.

    The launcher portion looks like TOS...

    That new mine layer looks interesting... such a vehicle would be very useful to rapidly block certain directions an enemy could move rapidly through.... AFAIK anti personel mines are banned by agreement with the US being outside that agreement, but Russia is abiding by it so this must be an anti vehicle type mine layer...
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    Post  Hole Fri Jun 19, 2020 5:04 pm

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    Post  dino00 Wed Jun 24, 2020 8:21 pm

    TOS-2 is at the stage of preliminary tests. According to their results, the letter “O” will be assigned, after which it will go to state tests, which will be completed next year. After that, a decision will be made on its adoption, ”said Kochkin.

    Here you can see what "letters" mean in this context
    https://philosoft-services.com/blog/wordpress/archives/236

    Link provided by GunshipDemocracy some time ago

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    Post  dino00 Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:18 pm

    Russia at final stage of testing latest heavy flamethrower

    As compared to the TOS-1 and TOS-1A heavy flame-throwing systems, the Tosochka is mounted on the wheeled chassis and needs no transporter-loader vehicle


    The Tosochka heavy flamethrower is also outfitted with electronic warfare systems against precision weapons, Chemezov said. Cool attack

    https://tass.com/defense/1182093
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    Post  Hole Mon Sep 28, 2020 12:11 pm

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    TOS-2 in action

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    Post  Hole Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:40 pm

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    TOS-1 in Afghanistan. In the 80´s.

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    Post  George1 Fri Nov 13, 2020 1:15 pm

    Latest heavy flamethrowers TOS-2 go on trial tests with Russian troops

    https://tass.com/defense/1223255

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    Post  GarryB Sat Nov 14, 2020 1:51 am

    The TOS-2 also features an electronic warfare system against precision weapons.

    Interesting...
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    Post  dino00 Sun Nov 22, 2020 11:51 pm

    The range of the first Buratino weapons was only 3.5 km. Subsequently, it was brought to 6 km. New ammunition, tested in exercises in 2020, will increase the reach at once by two and a half times, up to 15 km.

    Izvestia source
    https://iz.ru/1090628/anton-lavrov-roman-kretcul/mashiny-ogon-samokhodnye-ognemety-zhdet-sereznaia-modernizatciia

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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Nov 25, 2020 9:47 pm


    https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1331627327894286338

    According to Izvestia, Russia will upgrade its approx 100 TOS-1 and TOS-1A thermobaric MLRS with new rockets with a 15km range, digital communications systems, and access to the "military internet" to integrate them into the Reconnaissance Fire Contour.

    Izvestia also reports that all of the Southern Military District's TOS MLRS will be replaced by wheeled TOS-2 Tosochka systems, but the tracked TOS-1 and TOS-1A variants will remain in service with the other districts.



    Good move, with increased rocker range the wheeled chassis is the way to go, simpler, cheaper faster thumbsup

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    Post  LMFS Wed Nov 25, 2020 10:01 pm

    Longer ranged rockets allow to relax a bit the off-road requirements for tactical mobility and therefore get a more practical truck mounted system... it is so nice when people use their brains...

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    Post  Isos Wed Nov 25, 2020 11:31 pm

    3.5-6km is too bad. It puts it directly in the range of atgm's or anti material rifles. At such range they are also easy to spot on thermals.

    15km removes such threats.
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    Post  lyle6 Wed Nov 25, 2020 11:58 pm

    LMFS wrote:Longer ranged rockets allow to relax a bit the off-road requirements for tactical mobility and therefore get a more practical truck mounted system... it is so nice when people use their brains...

    Eh, not really. The wheeled variant is only replacing the tracked Tos in Russia's highly mountainous Caucasus region. It seems counter-intuitive, but it makes sense given that most traffic is going to be road-bound. Can't exactly go and loop around and make your own path when there's a very high risk of you getting stuck in someplace unreachable by recovery vehicles, or worse, falling off sheer cliffs. But once you get into Russia's vast steppe expanses where uneven terrain and mud are your primary constraints then the tracked variants becomes the much better option.

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    Post  LMFS Thu Nov 26, 2020 1:01 am

    lyle6 wrote:Eh, not really. The wheeled variant is only replacing the tracked Tos in Russia's highly mountainous Caucasus region. It seems counter-intuitive, but it makes sense given that most traffic is going to be road-bound. Can't exactly go and loop around and make your own path when there's a very high risk of you getting stuck in someplace unreachable by recovery vehicles, or worse, falling off sheer cliffs. But once you get into Russia's vast steppe expanses where uneven terrain and mud are your primary constraints then the tracked variants becomes the much better option.

    I assumed the increased ranged rockets would allow the wheeled version to engage the enemy without needing to go very far from the network of roads and paths and offer much better theater mobility and economy of operation than tracked vehicles, but I admit I don't know if such rocket range is enough for such concept of operations in Russia or just maybe in some more developed regions. Of course what you say makes sense, I will try to keep an eye on the deployment of the TOS-2 thumbsup
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    Post  GarryB Thu Nov 26, 2020 10:21 am

    3.5-6km is too bad. It puts it directly in the range of atgm's or anti material rifles. At such range they are also easy to spot on thermals.

    15km removes such threats.

    That version is tank based and intended to move with front line units to clear minefields in real time directly in front of friendly tank forces... once those TOS rounds start going off I don't think anything in the target area will be able to respond and anything beyond that will not be seeing much through the flames and debris...

    The purpose of the new rockets and their new wheeled chassis is mobility and operational costs, which are increased and decreased dramatically.

    Following from behind from a distance these trucks can operate with other non combat vehicles in a division so they wont be sitting anywhere on their own and vulnerable, but will be able to obliterate enemy trenches or minefields blocking an armoured force...

    Remember these are not artillery... that is extra and separate... these are engineer vehicles used to clear mines and clear entrenched enemy infantry in armoured bunkers and firing positions that tanks are struggling with.
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    Post  Isos Thu Nov 26, 2020 10:25 am

    Still, a single guy with an atgm will take it out easily from 4km away while he won't be detected.
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    Post  miketheterrible Thu Nov 26, 2020 11:14 am

    I think when you talk about the range, you are thinking of an empty, open field.

    While true, these things are more geared towards.... Heavily entrenched guys where you can strike from a decent distance while hiding (hence it is an artillery piece) and or.... More brutal like striking a town.

    Yes, longer range would be nice but I think they figured out the reason for this system and it isn't an open field and just decimate things.
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    Post  Hole Thu Nov 26, 2020 11:46 am

    This are not engineer vehicles, they are heavy flamethrowers and belong to the "chemical troops" which are part of the NBC protection service.

    The TOS-1 was developed for infantry support in mountainous and urban areas.

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    Post  Hole Fri Nov 27, 2020 11:19 am

    The tactics for the TOS changed a little bit in the last 2 - 3 years. Before it was used more in a direct fire support role, ie. a infantry unit entered a city and a TOS unit waited outside the city limits to fire salvos into enemy held building. The range of the old missiles was sufficient for that. Today the TOS is more used like a normal rocket launcher. The arm calls it "wheel of fire" (or something similar), first a unit of Tornado-G fires a salvo, then leaves his position, in the meantime the TOS unit fires a salvo. I guess that´s why the new missiles got larger range.
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    Post  JohninMK Fri Nov 27, 2020 11:33 am

    Hole wrote:The arm calls it "wheel of fire" (or something similar), first a unit of Tornado-G fires a salvo, then leaves his position, in the meantime the TOS unit fires a salvo.

    A bit like a 'double tap' from Hades.

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