Russia is not dumb enough to bomb Poland or the Baltic states over political BS.
I am sure they wont invade, but bombing those places wouldn't be upsetting at all... no chance of hitting any decent WWII statues worth preserving for instance...
Russia will not use nukes over annexed territory, they aren't that insane or bloodthirsty unlike 90 percent of the members on this forum it seems.
If HATO "intervened" in Ukraine and sent in troops and decided to send them to the Crimean part of the Ukraine, would Russia ignore that?
You are using less than a percentage of the population you see on videos and crap to judge the entire west?
Of course... we must be judging the west from the internet because we don't both live in the west.... oops... hang on... yes we do...
Now that is also ignorant, sure you will find examples here and there but again I could do the same for the russians.
If they are just the same as us why does the west hate them so?
Please... if they were like the US they could go fuck themselves for all I care... the reason I like Russia is because they are different.
Not perfect... but different.
Congrats you finally said something that is logical, yes we would need a mass mobilization and that would take a few months but it would come and when it did the overstretched Russian army would quickly fall back.
What overstretched Russian Army?
Or are the mass mobilised HATO forces going to meet the Russians on the English Channel?
In order to defend and take on NATO, Russia would need a population much much much bigger then it has and would need an industry that it doesn't have. Russia could not win in a conventional war against NATO. It's completely illogical to think they can.
Why do you think a spat with a Baltic country would consume all the resources of Russia?
Russians support their military and they don't lie on why they fight for during a war.
More importantly they go to war for good reasons only. They were attacked in Georgia by the Georgian forces. In Syria, as Putin said... thousands of Russians and tens of thousands of men from eastern europe went to fight in Syria for terrorists... it makes sense for Russia to fight them there than let an ally be destroyed and then have them come back...
They would lose millions of men trying to keep that ground sure NATO would to, but NATO can afford millions of losses.
Hahahahahaha... yeah HATO is made up of countries that ran away or surrendered during WWII... Russia was one of those countries that just kept fighting... are you sure HATO would put up with millions of their young men killed in a war to protect the baltic countries that capitulated really fast to Nazi Germany and helped them kill Jews like the good little nazis they were. In fact many germans were horrified at what those baltic nazis did for them... but HATO will die by the million to defend their new allies... of course they will... HATO doesn't work if that is not true and HATO has to work... it is how the US controls europe.
Russia's population cannot afford that many men dead, it still hasn't recovered from ww2 and it will take decades more for them to even get close.
The only way either side could lose millions would be with a nuclear exchange and I doubt HATO would bother.
In the Ukraine the Ukrainian government forces are probably quite comparable to the military forces of the baltic states and how did they go against their own people? Not that great I hear... And against a properly armed and trained military force like the Russian Army I suspect they would do even worse... in fact like the Ukrainian soldiers in the Crimea did against the small Russian contingent of Sailors there... my understanding is that the Ukrainians quietly surrendered and not a shot was fired and nobody died... which is to the great credit of both sides.
But millions will die you say?
What if the Russians fund an opposition who claims the elections are rigged and that they are the real leader of the country and they need Russian troops in there to save peace and democracy... Hahahahahaha....
No the US and Europe would not just ignore Russia taking the Baltics because then that would simply make the Russians cocky that they can go further, this would not be permitted at all. Your logic is pretty much flawed, because if that the case they can do whatever they want since they will threaten the use of warheads.
Could say the same about east germany joining HATO... or hungary or poland or rumania etc etc etc etc... when exactly does europe become safe with HATO?
Supply lines aren't a big deal this isn't WW2 supply lines of that size are easy to cover.
Not what you said before...
Russia would get some targets sure but it doesn't have and will never have enough munitions to take out Europe, this is pure fantasy on your part and if it does that it well it will only push Europe harder which is fine. Do you really think Russia could knock out the EU with hundreds of missiles Lawls.
Russia has shown it knows what it is doing in recent conflicts. Russia has lots of weapons and could attack all sorts of targets but it wouldn't just attack everyone and everything for no reason... they aren't Israel.
I do not overestimate, Its simple as I have said Russia doesn't have the manpower to sustain occupation on such a wide area while maintaining defense on shorelines, fronts etc to fight back against NATO. It simply doesn't have the population for such a conflict and if it wanted to take the baltics whats what it would need to do.
The populations they are attacking include 30% which would be on their side... they can run the places... Russian troops would withdraw fairly quickly once the idiots are hung in the streets and normalcy returns...
We could also destroy their industry too, do you really think we can't bomb the shit out of their factories?.
When you try... that is when they will strike your power generation and ports and comms centres....
Again yes Russia in the opening stages would have an advantage, but as the months go on their advantages would be neutralized.
Taken straight from the cold war HATO text book... they have enormous armour advantages but we have technology and one of our tanks is worth 20 of theirs and once we win air superiority they will have no where to hide blah blah blah...
It would actually be worse for them to just seize the baltics not touch the rest of Europe as that would make mobilization efforts far easier, they would need to size all of Ukraine and Poland to make a good enough front, just taking the baltics is shooting themselves in the foot.
Yes... Russia wants to capture the ukraine and the baltics and belarus and pooland....
All the dreams of HATO come true at once.
Russia isn't going to invade Ukraine let alone the baltic states... why would they want to occupy them?
Then their fucked up economies and all their problems can be blamed on Russia.... Russia doesn't need that.
At best they will be bombed and have cruise missiles take out certain buildings seen as threats... most likely they will be ignored.
Once China finishes its military buildup, US will have to move 100% of its military in the Pacific leaving those baltics and Poland alone to face Russia and assume what they have been saying about russians for past 30 years.
As long as Russia has tactical nukes the Baltic states are not a problem and nor is Poland... they will continue to bark at the US because they need more troops based in their countries because Putin might poison them and invade.
A few Iskander brigades with new improved longer ranged missiles and nuclear payloads is all Russia needs in that direction... just as well there is global warming because gas supply is probably going to reduce when the Ukrainians decide stealing gas is their right because their economy has crashed and it is all Russias fault for letting them be fooled by the Americans to have a coup and turn to the EU.
Russia can just smile and ignore them while they bark away at how everything is Russias fault and they owe them trillions for all the mental damage they did to them, and for chernobyl and everything else ever...