The Situation in the Ukraine. #28

I don't doubt it, but it would be off topic!

I've read about Surkov is no longer the leading negotiator for Ukraine. What does it mean, new strategy for Ukraine, new approach or something else? Can anyone explain this?

Leaked papers pertaining to the finalised JIT investigation that the source has bona fide reason to believe are authentic do not corroborate the study’s findings. They cite witness testimonies as well as a number of discrepancies in the probe that suggest the Boeing was downed by an air-to-air missile, rather than a surface-to-air rocket.

According to new data from unpublished MH17 Joint Investigation Team documents obtained and analysed by Bonanza Media investigative journalist Max van der Werff, there were no Buk missile systems in the vicinity of where the Malaysian Airlines Boeing crashed in eastern Ukraine on 17 July 2014.

The journalist concludes, citing a letter from Dutch Military Intelligence, that it “becomes apparent that flight MH17 was flying beyond the range of all identified and operational Ukrainian and Russian locations where 9K37M1 Buk M1 systems were deployed". The letter, dated 21 September 2016, which is exactly one week before JIT held a press-conference on 28 September, proves the Dutch team obtained evidence that no Russian Buk system had crossed into Ukraine from Russia only days before the presser, der Werff wrote.

Another leak studied by the journalist is the text of an interview conducted by a Dutch police officer on 28 July 2015 with a male witness from Ukraine, as well as the man’s in-depth email where he described the timeline of events. He reportedly recalled two fighter jets in the sky circling over the town a few minutes before the Boeing 777 went down following a loud bang over his head and a horizontal white trail penetrating the sky. “Two airplanes were audible, not the big one, the Boeing, but fighter jets were audible since these were constantly flying overhead, the noise had already become familiar", he is quoted by der Werff as saying.

According to the resident of the Torez suburbs, roughly 20 kilometres from Hrabove, where the Boeing crashed, no missiles were fired from the ground in the immediate vicinity.

https://sputniknews.com/military/202002181078340158-leaked-docs-point-to-no-buk-missile-systems-around-mh17-crash-area-dutch-journo-reveals/

Coronavirus: Ukraine protesters attack buses carrying China evacuees

Dozens of protesters in a Ukrainian town have attacked buses carrying evacuees from coronavirus-hit China.

The evacuees were being brought to the hospital in Novi Sanzhary, in the central Poltava region, where they will be held in quarantine for 14 days.

Many residents fear the virus could spread through the town, which has a population of about 10,000.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky urged people to show solidarity, and to remember that "we are all human".

Earlier on Thursday, 45 Ukrainians and 27 foreign nationals were flown from Wuhan in China, the epicentre of the deadly outbreak, to Kharkiv in eastern Ukraine.

Six buses then drove them to the hospital in Novi Sanzhary, where they were met by demonstrators lighting bonfires and hurling stones.

The country's health ministry said none of the passengers were sick.

Ukraine's diplomatic mission added that three Ukrainians and a resident of Kazakhstan had been left behind in China, because they had reported having a fever.

Prime Minister Oleksiy Honcharuk, Health Minister Zoriana Skaletska and Interior Minister Arsen Avakov all travelled to the city to try and calm tensions.

In a statement, President Zelensky urged Ukrainians to show compassion and refrain from protesting.

"Most of the passengers are people under 30. They are almost like children to many of us," he said.

"But there is another danger that I would like to mention. The danger of forgetting that we are all human and we are all Ukrainians. Each of us - including those who ended up in Wuhan during the epidemic."

More than 76,000 cases of the disease named Covid-19 have been reported, and 2,247 related deaths.

The vast majority of the cases and deaths have been in China.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-51581805

Lol I wish the virus mutates into a more deadly and contagious form and proceed to eradicate the population of Ukraine along with its NATO sponsors especially AmeriKKKa

What a collection of primitive savages. Some "tse Evropa". Retarded sycophants who think they are simply because they wish to be.

kvs wrote:What a collection of primitive savages.  Some "tse Evropa".  Retarded sycophants who think they are simply because they wish to be.

The Chinese are the last country trying to invest in Ukraine, now they're trying to burn that bridge....they're trying to belly flop as hard as they can aren't they? Tse Evropa? More like Ze Rope-around-your-neck!

So it is the Kremlin's fault that Ukr degenerates are throwing rocks at buses with Ukrs who may infected with the corona virus.
Wow. Nice bubble of delusion that Ukr "patriots" live in.

Ukraine takes effort and hides its monstrous industry decline - dance of the of western democracy pinnacle  

Ukraine improves economic performance, defeating time

Viktor wrote:Ukraine takes effort and hides its monstrous industry decline - dance of the of western democracy pinnacle  

Ukraine improves economic performance, defeating time

Let the morons believe what they want. I meed such morons in Canada too. They think because a few business friends they
have say the economy is doing great, then there is no recession in progress. For real. Last time I checked some small business
operator (which is by far the most likely friend they have and not some Fortune 500 CEO) is not particularly in tune with macroeconomic
reality. They are basically microeconomic players like consumers who have a very limited view of the total economy.

It seems Ukranian universities are on the chopping block too

as if they believe democracy will provide and so nothing is needed. They are willingly regressing into the stone age.

Learning is light. But not for Ukraine

Viktor wrote:It seems Ukranian universities are on the chopping block too

as if they believe democracy will provide and so nothing is needed. They are willingly regressing into the stone age.

Learning is light. But not for Ukraine

Whom the gods wish to destroy, they first make mad.

And Ukrs seriously deserve divine punishment.

https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1238101039330603008/photo/1

Recall all the fuzzy pictures trotted out by the yanquis in Ukraine.   Now they trot high res satellite imagery to "expose" Iranian
Covid-19 "mass graves".

The clowns in Israel must be having hard-ons 24/7.

Interventions to save the currency

Interbank fixes a rapid drop in hryvnia: currency hype started in Ukraine

Viktor wrote:Interventions to save the currency

Interbank fixes a rapid drop in hryvnia: currency hype started in Ukraine

That is extremely bad news for Banderastan. The Kiev regime has managed to turn a potential agrarian superpower into an importer of food, including
meat and grains. Since Banderastan depends on imports, the forex rate actually matters for it. Unlike for Russia, which could care less regardless of
all the bitching by "experts".

kvs wrote:

Viktor wrote:Interventions to save the currency

Interbank fixes a rapid drop in hryvnia: currency hype started in Ukraine

That is extremely bad news for Banderastan.  The Kiev regime has managed to turn a potential agrarian superpower into an importer of food, including
meat and grains.   Since Banderastan depends on imports, the forex rate actually matters for it.    Unlike for Russia, which could care less regardless of
all the bitching by "experts".

Following the same policy that led them to this end they can end up burning all the foreign currency left while intervening to defend the national currency.

Policy with what they could save face and give them any meaningless advantage has already been labeled as wrong so enjoy the freedom to starve.

They're done

Even if they completely contain the coronavirus outbreak in their own country (and to be fair, they've done a good job thus far and closed borders early), the IMF won't have any money to give them to keep buying gas and oil as every rich country will be trying to save its own economy, the limited amount of their industries left depend on export orders so that's finished as well - much less demand in the world market especially in Europe, the EU won't be able to give them any aid packages either. Not sure Ukrainian guest workers will have too much work in Europe either; there will be enough unemployment there already.

Even just the rumours of a possible quarantine and the crisis in Europe has sent their currency into a tailspin.

I noticed the Ukraine has not reported any new cases yesterday

And now I hear they've only done 500 tests in total. With all their guest workers over Europe, at least some of which will have been returning home over the past week or two in a bid to escape the virus.
Wow.
This country is going to be full of corona-zombies in a month. Second Chernobyl waiting to happen. It has taken good measures but with such a paltry amount of tests how can either they or any government around them be appraised of the situation and institute measures in time?

flamming_python wrote:I noticed the Ukraine has not reported any new cases yesterday

And now I hear they've only done 500 tests in total. With all their guest workers over Europe, at least some of which will have been returning home over the past week or two in a bid to escape the virus.
Wow.
This country is going to be full of corona-zombies in a month. Second Chernobyl waiting to happen. It has taken good measures but with such a paltry amount of tests how can either they or any government around them be appraised of the situation and institute measures in time?

You are 1000% right. The figures coming out of Banderastan are pure BS. They do not report daily infection changes and recoveries. They
have some static number that comes from probably an official mouthpiece's rear end. There is no freaking way that there are fewer Covid-19
cases in Ukraine than in Russia. But the testing ploy is a common trick to understate the figures. The number of infected in the west are
higher than official numbers since testing is extremely restricted.

The same can be said about Russia, but at least it is testing over 10,000 per day. Canada, Sweden, etc., do not approach such testing rates.

Ukraine’s Health Minister Called People Aged Over 65 “Corpses”

VARGR198 wrote:Ukraine’s Health Minister Called People Aged Over 65 “Corpses”

I guess that applies to Leonid Kravchuk, who's 86!

VARGR198 wrote:Ukraine’s Health Minister Called People Aged Over 65 “Corpses”

It is in the interests of the Kiev regime for the elderly to die off. Most elderly in Ukraine are not pro-Banderite agendas and are pro-Russia.
So this is genocide by opportune moment from the Nazis (i.e. Banderites) in Kiev.

kvs wrote:

VARGR198 wrote:Ukraine’s Health Minister Called People Aged Over 65 “Corpses”

It is in the interests of the Kiev regime for the elderly to die off.   Most elderly in Ukraine are not pro-Banderite agendas and are pro-Russia.  
So this is genocide by opportune moment from the Nazis (i.e. Banderites) in Kiev.

That's a pretty good comment.

Many of those families that fled to Russia or the EU over the past 5 years left their elderly behind, remitting money to them. Those elderly dying will be very sad but the sting in the tail for Kiev is that the remittances, one of their major sources of foreign exchange, will stop too.

JohninMK wrote:

kvs wrote:

VARGR198 wrote:Ukraine’s Health Minister Called People Aged Over 65 “Corpses”

It is in the interests of the Kiev regime for the elderly to die off.   Most elderly in Ukraine are not pro-Banderite agendas and are pro-Russia.  
So this is genocide by opportune moment from the Nazis (i.e. Banderites) in Kiev.

That's a pretty good comment.

Many of those families that fled to Russia or the EU over the past 5 years left their elderly behind, remitting money to them. Those elderly dying will be very sad but the sting in the tail for Kiev is that the remittances, one of their major sources of foreign exchange, will stop too.

Remittances support much more than just elderly in Ukraine. There are a lot of western Ukraine (including all the rabid anti-Russian regions like Ivano-Frankivsk)
and other gastarbeiters in Russia who send over a billion US per year back to Banderastan. For some reason Russia does not ban such gastarbeiters.

"Doctors" in the Ternopol Oblast of Banderastan have thrown out the body of a dead corona virus victim in a bag into the
trash. That's right, regular trash.

Maidan progress is ongoing.

Combat situation Novorossiya. Pretty much the same old same old. The orcs will never abide by the Minsk agreement, nor will Germany and France. Sporadic shooting every day from the orcs, some heavy, some more of an annoyance. A steady but 'small' stream of casualties daily on the NAF side. The usual, and tried and true, casualties on the orc side are 4-5 for every NAF loss, most of the orcs are not veterans and simply shoved half trained in to the lines. They suffer accordingly when they shoot as ordered or as wanted.

Red Cross was to give some aid on the spot to the orcs and wanted to come to NAF side for the same. Our daughter a few days ago said that at least in her area Red Cross is not allowed, they have the same level of trust as OSCE has, or had. She of course did not say where she is but she did say she is not in the lines of the moment so she could commo a little. Our other daughter and our son up there, we have not heard from either of them in some weeks, but no news is good news.

Our local post, when the rare letter arrives from any of them, does not call us, they simply deliver it immediately. Bless their hearts, they know from the writing who sent it so they fold the envelope in a triangle shape, send the tallest girl they have with the letter and before she knocks on the gate, she holds the triangle above the gate so my wife can see it when she knocks.This is an old way of doing things. During the last war, soldiers from the front or in service folded their field letters in a triangle. When the letters arrived to their families, the relatives knew instantly it was from the soldier because of the triangle shape and he was alive. Anything official, which was usually bad news, came in a square or rectangular envelope, hence what the girls at our Post do so my wife does not have a heart attack.

Our other two girls are so deep in succor and safe haven the world can be nuked and they will survive and prosper.