Future russian aircraft carriers. #2

"Admiral Kuznetsov" will receive a long-range air defense system "Polimen-Redut"
13:32 04/30/2018 Source: Russian Information Agency "TASS"

The only Russian aircraft carrier, Admiral Kuznetsov, will modernize the Polymet-Redut anti-aircraft long-range anti-aircraft missile system, a source in the shipbuilding industry told TASS.
"In addition to Pansir on the ship, it is planned to install long-range anti-aircraft defense systems - the newest complex," Polymet-Redut ", a source said.Today, Kuznetsov has only short-range air defense complexes Dagger and Dirk, Almaz-Antey "(the company-developer of" Polymment-Reduta ") did not comment on the information provided by the source.
As reported earlier by the deputy head of the Russian Navy Viktor Bursuk, work on the "Kuznetsov" will begin in May, the ship will receive new missile and artillery systems short-range "Pantsir-M." According to Bursuk, the ship will also install new boilers and new systems that provide flights, in particular, landing systems, surveillance, and control. The fleet expects to receive an aircraft carrier in combat composition in 2021.
As another source in the shipbuilding industry specified by TASS, airborne equipment, a radio beacon group and signal equipment will replace the take-off and landing equipment on the ship, and the entire communication system will also be changed at Kuznetsov. At the same time, the source said, "the Granite rocket complex on the aircraft carrier will not change."
http://www.ng.ru/news/615175.html?print=Y

The Navy considers it inexpedient to build lightweight aircraft carriers, the deputy head of the Russian Navy for armament, Vice Admiral Viktor Bursuk

ST.PETERSBURG, April 25. / TASS /. A prospective aircraft carrier of the Russian Navy will have a displacement of at least 70 thousand tons, its technical project is not yet ready. Vice-Admiral Viktor Bursuk told journalists about this from the deputy naval commander of the Russian Navy on armament.
"The fleet believes that lightweight aircraft carriers should not be built for the Russian Federation from the point of view of the economic" price-quality ratio. "It is preferable to build aircraft carriers with a displacement of about 70 thousand tons, which allow carrying more aircraft on board," he said.

Bursuk added that "the technical specifications and the design of [such a ship] have not yet been developed, during the creation of the technical design it will be determined what is needed," but "it is already clear that its displacement will be about 70 thousand tons."

Before the Russian Navy stated that the Russian fleet expected to receive a promising aircraft carrier with an atomic power plant by the end of 2030. Earlier, Deputy Defense Minister Yury Borisov reported that the contract for the construction of an aircraft carrier could be signed by the end of 2025. The Minister of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation Denis Manturov informed that the sketch design of the aircraft carrying ship has already been created and submitted to the Ministry of Defense of Russia.

At the same time, the Krylov State Research Center, part of the United Shipbuilding Corporation, developed a new project for a new aircraft carrier, which was also offered for the Russian fleet. Project 23000 was named "Storm". The sketch assumes that the ship will have a displacement of 80-90 thousand tons, it will be equipped with a combined power plant (both an atomic reactor and a gas turbine engine), the air group of the ship must number up to 60 units.

GunshipDemocracy wrote:..........
A prospective aircraft carrier of the Navy will receive a displacement of not less than 70 thousand tons

The Navy considers it inexpedient to build lightweight aircraft carriers, the deputy head of the Russian Navy for armament, Vice Admiral Viktor Bursuk.........

PapaDragon wrote:


They should really put some new frigates in the water before mouthing off about aircraft carriers, they are just making themselves look like idiots.

PapaDragon wrote:

GunshipDemocracy wrote:..........
A prospective aircraft carrier of the Navy will receive a displacement of not less than 70 thousand tons

The Navy considers it inexpedient to build lightweight aircraft carriers, the deputy head of the Russian Navy for armament, Vice Admiral Viktor Bursuk.........

They should really put some new frigates in the water before mouthing off about aircraft carriers, they are just making themselves look like idiots.

GunshipDemocracy wrote:..........
A prospective aircraft carrier of the Navy will receive a displacement of not less than 70 thousand tons

The Navy considers it inexpedient to build lightweight aircraft carriers, the deputy head of the Russian Navy for armament, Vice Admiral Viktor Bursuk.........

Missiles like Kh-32 and Kinzhal actually make AWACS support and aircraft support even more critical...

GunshipDemocracy wrote:@all of you Lads
Well you know that I believe  V/STOL fighter is better solution for Russian Navy than "navalized version" but life is about time and money too. It is unlikely that Russia will not invest in special new fighter. Thus there be simple 2 contenders:

1) MiG-35. Se time ago in Russian press was info that landing gear and hooks for MiG-35 are designed. It probably have role of Advanced Super Hornet in Russian Navy

2) PAK-FA : great fighter but with 70ktons Russian CVN is unlikely to take many of them.  Look at size it's taking 1,5 as much place as  F-35...

of course unless till 2030 LMFS with V/STOL wont appear :D:D




A prospective aircraft carrier of the Navy will receive a displacement of not less than 70 thousand tons

The Navy considers it inexpedient to build lightweight aircraft carriers, the deputy head of the Russian Navy for armament, Vice Admiral Viktor Bursuk

ST.PETERSBURG, April 25. / TASS /. A prospective aircraft carrier of the Russian Navy will have a displacement of at least 70 thousand tons, its technical project is not yet ready. Vice-Admiral Viktor Bursuk told journalists about this from the deputy naval commander of the Russian Navy on armament.
"The fleet believes that lightweight aircraft carriers should not be built for the Russian Federation from the point of view of the economic" price-quality ratio. "It is preferable to build aircraft carriers with a displacement of about 70 thousand tons, which allow carrying more aircraft on board," he said.

Bursuk added that "the technical specifications and the design of [such a ship] have not yet been developed, during the creation of the technical design it will be determined what is needed," but "it is already clear that its displacement will be about 70 thousand tons."

Before the Russian Navy stated that the Russian fleet expected to receive a promising aircraft carrier with an atomic power plant by the end of 2030. Earlier, Deputy Defense Minister Yury Borisov reported that the contract for the construction of an aircraft carrier could be signed by the end of 2025. The Minister of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation Denis Manturov informed that the sketch design of the aircraft carrying ship has already been created and submitted to the Ministry of Defense of Russia.

At the same time, the Krylov State Research Center, part of the United Shipbuilding Corporation, developed a new project for a new aircraft carrier, which was also offered for the Russian fleet. Project 23000 was named "Storm". The sketch assumes that the ship will have a displacement of 80-90 thousand tons, it will be equipped with a combined power plant (both an atomic reactor and a gas turbine engine), the air group of the ship must number up to 60 units.

Подробнее на ТАСС:
http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/5157561

verkhoturye51 wrote:Give them some time, it's better to wait a lot for excellent CVN than getting a Queen Elizabeth which leaks water overnight.

Agreeing on a size is a big step.

verkhoturye51 wrote:Big things take some time. After the First Karađorđe's uprising, it took Serbs 11 years to establish a duchy. What new ship/submarine did Russia have 11 years ago? One Buyan corvette.

Henceforth, Russian navy is going to get at least one Borei, one Yasen AND one Gorshkov each year.

PapaDragon wrote:
Getting a nation off the ground from scratch is lot harder than building a warship with shipbuilding industry up and running. And Russia is so much larger than Serbia.

As for new Gorshkov each year they have been waiting for first one for decade already.

And even if they do get one per year (which they won't) they will stop getting them after 4 years because they have stopped building them.

It's been so long that what was once advanced design has become old enough to require upgrade, have you seen Gorshkov lately? It's definitely showing age. Once next generation​ but now just generic.

PapaDragon wrote:

GunshipDemocracy wrote:..........
A prospective aircraft carrier of the Navy will receive a displacement of not less than 70 thousand tons

They should really put some new frigates in the water before mouthing off about aircraft carriers, they are just making themselves look like idiots.

Russia could develop a true amphibious assault ship in the coming years, but it is not clear if Moscow’s new State Armament Plan 2027 will support such a vessel. “For the future, they have a project for a helicopter carrier amphibious assault ship which they call Прибой (Priboy),” Kashin said. “But it is not clear if the procurement is actually included in the State Armaments Program-2027. I think it will depend on the general economic situation in 2020s.”
Michael Kofman, a research scientist specializing in Russian military forces at the Center for Naval Analyses, told The National Interest that Priboy and another competing design are both the products of the fertile imagination of Moscow’s defense industry. “I don't think Priboy is anything other than a model ship, same goes for the Lavina,” Kofman said. http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/russias-new-helicopters-are-preparing-war-should-the-baltics-24357

Isos wrote:

Hole wrote:
After 2020 they will start the production of the successor of the Gorshkov. The difference in the production rate will be the same as with the Buyan-M (slow) and it´s successor, the Karakurt (quite fast).

eehnie wrote:

No, is not the Russian Ministry of Defense nor the Russian Navy who are making themselves look like idiots. is the people that here have not other argument than to insult.

The last article about the future Russian aircraft carrier is just Russian Maritime Doctrine of 2015 from a high level official.

The reality is coming, unfortunately for you.

AlfaT8 wrote:
Hhahaha
I knew it, there was no way in hell the Navy actually wanted a 30kT mini-carrier, once again we see the Russian Naval command and the Russian MoD at complete odds with each other.

Weird that designs for such a carrier weren't already laid out, they must have really been pushing for a super-carrier in the negotiations.

Anyway, because of this eternal conflict between Naval command  and the MoD, there will be no carrier by 2030 or ever, i just don't see the MoD allowing it.
Besides there are more pressing issues for the Navy, like getting enough Frigate and future Destroyers in the lower double digits.

Hole wrote:You did hear about the engine troubles, Papa, didn´t you?
Why build ship after ship when the new engine is not ready? Just to please you?
.....

Militarov wrote:

eehnie wrote:....

Wait, arent Shtorm and first Lider almost finished

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

AlfaT8 wrote:
Hhahaha
I knew it, there was no way in hell the Navy actually wanted a 30kT mini-carrier, once again we see the Russian Naval command and the Russian MoD at complete odds with each other.

dont flatter yourself it was just a lucky guess        and more seriously well 100kts its not either.  

Weird that designs for such a carrier weren't already laid out, they must have really been pushing for a super-carrier in the negotiations.

Anyway, because of this eternal conflict between Naval command  and the MoD, there will be no carrier by 2030 or ever, i just don't see the MoD allowing it.
Besides there are more pressing issues for the Navy, like getting enough Frigate and future Destroyers in the lower double digits.

Form another perspective: you know why CVN comes in early 2030s? this is still 12 years to build dock yards, train people build auxiliary fleet, replenish budget (vide: Putin about GDP growth).  Not to mention new engines/ turbines or reactors.  And suddenly it starts to make sense isnt it?