To be honest, I still cant believe this thread exists and so much discussion going on here.
I am glad it exists, because otherwise I would not have heard Big Gazzas post or KVS's reply above (posts 121 and 122).
Now I understand what is happening... thanks for spelling it out and making it clear.
Now that you do spell it out it makes sense and now seems pretty obvious... the HKers are just as jealous as the west over development and progress in China, and this is them acting out... and trying to damage it... just like the west... the Brits have taught them all they know.
This thread is 99.9% the handywork of the same J-20Hotdog/etc, who goes all around with his highly racial, anti-chinese agenda and draws in unsuspecting poster into posting and thus succeeding in his agendas.
Except that it hasn't worked.
I know plenty of Chinese people and I like the vast majority, they are good people. I have no reason to fear a growing China than I do an all powerful last super power America... many of the Americans I know are good people too, but certainly less humble...
This thread has not descended into threats and anger... I think China with a strong navy is a good thing, but those supporting China need to realise that a strong navy isn't just having the hardware. As I have mentioned, Saudi Arabia has the hardware... on paper they are better equipped than most of the smaller NATO members, but they are terribly vulnerable in many areas.
As mentioned in the news recently, China, for all its production and spending on weapons doens't have a missile warning system to organise defence against a strategic attack... Russia is helping them out with that and in return China is apparently helping Russia with a few things too... this will make China stronger and better prepared and it will also help Russia too... what is not to like?
China getting stronger and developing is not a problem for Russia, and Russia getting stronger and developing is not a problem for China either.
It is not a problem for the US and NATO except that they make it so.
The crisis in eastern ukraine destroyed ukraine. China doesnt want the same to happen in HK.
China would be shit scared of something bad happening to Hong Kong, because it was the one part of China that was totally modern and economically powerful... but as Gazza and KVS have mentioned, now it is the red headed kid talking about freedom and rights like it knows better than mom and dad do about life and how things work in the real world. Maybe red headed child needs a good kicking... or at least a sudden dose of reality so it pulls its head in and starts behaving... it is not the golden boy it used to be... their other kids have grown up and are doing a better job of it without the British heritage bullshit.
If this propaganda touches other parts of China it will destroy them.
What you are saying here is that Russia can't let Russian people watch western media because if they do they will find out how evil and manipulative Putin really is and they will over throw him. It is the western people and the Hong Kong people here who are deluded... the BS propaganda that works on them wont work on the general population because the general population know better... they know what the situation was like in the 1990s and they know what effect Putin has had since then on their lives.
The people of mainland China are not a group of simple peasants eeking out an existence on a collective farm, or living in some deathtrap soviet era apartment complex with a million other people per square kilometre... as BG mentioned... many Chinese cities are doing better than Hong Kong... but without its congestion or limited space issues.
They can't let HKers win against HK gov (supported by China) but they can't neither send in the PLA because it will be brutal.
They have Americans and Ukrainian Nazis on their side... how can they win?
This will create more laws in the US to help those poor freedom fighters from that evil Chinese empire, which will mean Apple and other companies will withdraw production from China... Trump will salivate at that hoping they will create jobs in the US but it is too expensive, so they will probably go to Bangladesh, or perhaps somewhere in Africa... but Chinese companies will step up to the plate... for a while the Chinese consumers will suffer, but those American companies will bribe and cheat and get their products in there... but I suspect the Chinese companies are at a point where they can probably develop better products anyway so I actually think this will be good for China... China will likely focus on their Silk Roads and the Russian North Sea Route and trade with the EU instead of the US and ultimately it will the the US that gets shafted over all of this.
It isn't "commie propaganda" or "brainwashing" that makes them think this, but the clear and obvious improvements arond them and the rapidly modernising state of the nation. People see it, and they approve.
I remember in the late 1990s a british reporter in Beijing was interviewing a CEO of some American car company based in China and the American pointed out the window... and there were thousands of cars going past the building they were in... and he said when he arrived in China less than ten years before the traffic outside was all bicycles. Without a single hint of guilt, he said that at that point the Chinese in big cities were converting to cars, but his companys goal was to have the same effect out in the countryside too and the smaller towns and villages and have everyone driving cars instead of push bikes...
Getting China and India to consume like the US does is what is killing this planet... the western disposable consumer society is horrendously wasteful and destructive and you could see it coming a mile away...
China has so many more tools in its warchest than simply sending in the troops, but they don't need to anything just yet. The HK gov has played soft-ball up to now, and hasn't wanted to wield the stick, but if these anarchist thugs continue and the HK economy takes a dive, they will be forced to act, and it won't be the CCP that makes the call but the HK elites who don't want to see a collapse of their little fiefdom.
The other irony is that 30 or more years ago this sort of wedge between a growing economy and the US would be economically fatal, but these days it is more a rite of passage... I think it will be good for China to break its trade ties with the US as will happen when HK ends up having to take real action... the west will claim it is hitler and stalin all rolled in to one, but the sanctions wont hurt China nearly as much as the west will hope it will, and lets face it people... be honest... the US is only 350-400 million people and most of them are not that wealthy any more... the US has a 22 trillion dollar debt and rising... it is in Chinas interests to look at other markets with more people... with people with money to spend, who are not mortgaged up to their eyeballs, and pay in real money that is not printed as it is needed and basically worthless when the brown stuff hits the whirling bits of plastic that shift air around the office...