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    Post  Hole 03/02/19, 11:36 pm

    Best part is they claim it has a range of 2.600km and that it harms US security. I didn´t know that the Atlantic is so narrow. Very Happy
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    Post  GarryB 04/02/19, 12:20 am

    Well actually a 2,600km range and base it in the north in the arctic or in the far east it would cover most of the areas they intend to put AEGIS class cruisers during WWIII to shoot down Russian ICBM warheads on their way to the US... if they could destroy ships then the US would be in trouble... the MK-41 launcher is interesting but not magical... if the ship is to be used to shoot down satellites and ICBM warheads in low earth orbit then they want SM-3 missiles which would be useless against cruise missiles and hypersonic missiles... but then the flight speed of these cruise missiles would require the Russians to know the US was about to mount an attack... though the positioning of AEGIS cruisers in various places at a time of heightened tension would be a clue...
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    Post  George1 15/02/19, 12:40 pm

    @Pavel Podvig
    Here is a slide from the MoD presentation 2/x

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    Could it be this guy? It's at 2:22


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    Post  Big_Gazza 27/01/22, 02:25 pm

    I think we can be certain that 9M729 is just a somewhat "modernised" 9M728.  The idea that it was a full-range land-launched variant of Kalibre LACM is just Murkan propaganda.

    The Murkan trash-regime simply wanted to dump the INF treaty (as it didn't include China), and they figured that a propaganda campaign to blame the Russians for "cheating" was the best way to make the poison pill more (publically) palatable for their Eurofaggot slaves whose security the Murkan decision would greatly undermine (an entire class of nuclear weapons eliminated from the European theater and the Murkans scrapped this pivotal landmark agreement just so they could start developing new MRBM/IRBMs for basing in places like Guam? Can one be any more criminally selfish? Suspect ).

    As usual, the Eurotrash begrudingly obeyed their Master like the pathetic bunch of spineless cuckolds they are.... How can anyone respect a bunch of nations that are so weak-willed that they will allow their leash-holder to deliberately dial-down their nuclear security in such a fashion without a official (and public) outcry???? Razz

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    Post  Tolstoy 04/10/23, 01:29 am

    This latest TASS article suggests that Ryabkov regrets that it didn't get much traction and US actions may soon undermine it. So the question is what happened to 9M729?

    https://tass.ru/politika/18889831

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    Post  kvs 04/10/23, 01:40 am

    Why should we be informed about Russian missile developments.

    If NATzO deciders can be kept in the dark, then that is a very good thing. Fear is the only thing that motivates these maggots.

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    Post  lancelot 04/10/23, 01:54 am

    Tolstoy wrote:what happened to 9M729?
    Nothing happened. This "weapon system" was something out of the figment of the US's imagination. Just an excuse they pulled out so the US could break the INF Treaty, just like they did for the ABM Treaty. For whatever reason the US seems to think it has more industrial power than Russia and China and that them getting out of these treaties will benefit them in some way. Good luck with that.

    Russia already has Kalibr inside containerized modules. It was developed for putting inside the Project 20386 frigates and the Project 23550 patrol ships i.e. Club-K.

    So putting the Kalibr in an Iskander launcher was probably never even considered.

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    Post  The-thing-next-door 04/10/23, 07:10 am

    Integrating a 2500km+ range missile with the Iskander launch vehicles makes no sense whatsoever because those TELs are at the wrong level in the structure of the armed forces for intermediate ranged missiles to be used effectively.

    It would however make sense if they re used the truck and integrated it into a different level of the armed forces structure.

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    Post  Big_Gazza 04/10/23, 12:40 pm

    Tolstoy wrote:This latest TASS article suggests that Ryabkov regrets that it didn't get much traction and US actions may soon undermine it. So the question is what happened to 9M729?

    https://tass.ru/politika/18889831

    I expect it is deployed as an evolutionary upgrade to the 9M728 on Iskander-K vehicles. The idea that 9M729 were full-range kalibre-equivalents was always a crock of sh!t intended only to give the US an excuse for exiting the INF treaty.

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    Post  GarryB 04/10/23, 05:05 pm

    They can launch serial production of ground launched Kh-101 and Kh-102s now that will basically cover all of Europe from Russian bases, so it really does not matter any more.

    Now they have scramjets working properly they wont need to be slow low flying things, they can be very very high flying very very fast things that will be relatively easy to spot but near impossible to defeat... a zoom climb and a nuke airburst in the upper atmosphere would send an EMP pulse that would put european air defence... such that it is to sleep for a couple of hours.

    They have EMP weapons with conventional explosives, imagine the power they could achieve with a relatively small nuke warhead...

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    Post  Sujoy 05/10/23, 12:25 am

    GarryB wrote:They can launch serial production of ground launched Kh-101 and Kh-102s now that will basically cover all of Europe from Russian bases, so it really does not matter any more.
    The 9M729 missile was never displayed in public. Only its TEL was displayed. Probably it doesn't even exist. The US made up a story.

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    Post  kvs 05/10/23, 12:53 am

    I think there is always a hedging when it comes to missile design. Outside of abnormal situations such as we saw around the time of the collapse of the USSR.
    After Russia got back up on its feet, it must have made INF "violating" missile designs because you can bet your last centavo that the USA had such designs.
    We saw the US announce an INF-violating missile around half a year after killing the treaty. It did not realize this missile in six months. But any long range
    cruise missile (e.g. 5,500 km and under) violates the INF treaty except if it is sea or air launched (showing Gorbie was a traitor). The US posturing spasm over
    this alleged cruise missile is a retarded joke. The "ABM" launchers it installed in Romania and elsewhere could launch INF violating cruise missiles as well.

    Russia needs a Pioneer replacement. Supposedly the Pioneer system was overkill and expensive according to people such as the Bulava designer, Yury Solomonov.
    I don't know what an affordable replacement looks like. A cruise missile such as the alleged 9M729 is a different class of missile. Russia needs something that
    can hit NATzO targets in a few minutes and not a few hours.

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    Post  GarryB 05/10/23, 01:00 am

    I seem to remember the Russians offered to show the missile they were talking about and none of the western media or western officials turned up.

    The US just wanted an excuse to rip up another agreement, they were interested in talking or negotiating anything.

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