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    US/NATO Armed Forces vs Russian Armed Forces

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    Post  lyle6 Sun Oct 31, 2021 11:39 pm

    Maintaining a heavily armored turret in an arms race against the anti-armor has always been a losing proposition. Glad they finally saw the light. Sucks for the HNrrep loader though... Razz
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    Post  kvs Mon Nov 01, 2021 12:10 am

    Everyone knows that Russia is 50 to 100 years behind the west. lol1
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    Post  Arrow Sun Nov 07, 2021 9:52 am

    https://www.airforcemag.com/re-engining-f-35-ge-aetp-boost-speed-payload-range/

    As you can see, the USA is still on the scene.  They develop new aircraft engines and this requires enormous technological advancement. The performance of the F 35 will be significantly improved thanks to the new engine.  As you can see. The USA will soon have 1000 F 35 at its disposal, while Russia has several Su 57s. Even if the F 35 gives way to all parameters of the Su 57, there are incomparably more of them.  So underestimating the US is a huge mistake.
    The US will also soon introduce a new strategic B21 bomber. So, contrary to appearances, a lot is going on with them as well.  They are also developing a new generation combat aircraft, the successor to the F 22. So the distance between the US air force and Russia and China will increase in favor of the US now
    When it comes to debts, the US for now has the dollar as the world currency so they can print $ in large amounts.  The rest of the world covers the cost of US armaments.So they will remain great powers for a long time.
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    Post  GarryB Sun Nov 07, 2021 3:56 pm

    I would love to see the US buy 10,000 F-35s, because in a real conflict with Russia fighter aircraft are not really going to play very much of a role, and the cost of operating 10,000 F-35s will burn their money faster than they can print it.

    It makes them less capable, not more capable.

    And it would take more than a new engine to fix that dog fighter... and I rather suspect hype about a next generation engine will be a pretext for charging more for this new engine too.... currently they are talking about the new F-35s costing 70-80 million each... but that is minus the 30 million dollar engine so the price hasn't changed... just the sales pitch...
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    Post  Hole Sun Nov 07, 2021 7:47 pm

    They can´t print money forever. The inflation is already out of control and they can´t raise rates because he whole FIRE sector (60%+ of the whole economy) would implode immediately. The whole country (state, businesses, people) are deep into debt. After the next implosion of the western financial system the Dollar will be toast. No more borrowing till kingdom come.

    Another important point: the country spend 500+ billion each year in the last 30+ years (a little less in the 90´s, much more in the last few years) and still most of their aircraft are 40+ years old. That tells you a lot how corrupt the system is. Most of the tanker aircraft are 60+, they have to spend 200+ billion alone in that field. With current prices they wont be able to replenish all this old birds.

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    Post  GarryB Mon Nov 08, 2021 3:28 am

    Indeed... lack of accountability means there is no punishment for wasting tax payers money, or for mismanaging it.

    Lots of money spent making the very rich richer, and no consideration as to whether this makes the US and the west safer... that money invested in education and healthcare and they could be a real super power on the top of its game, but their fight fire with fire attitude has left them morally and ethically corrupt and honestly more dangerous that the enemies they claim to want to save the world from.

    And their communication is terrible... for many years they have been saying Russia is a bigger threat to the US and the west than ISIS... well ISIS does not have a formidable array of nuclear weapons and mature and capable delivery systems that would ensure they could be used effectively... so in a sense that is true, but constantly equating a country you actually should have no ideological issues with who wanted to join HATO and expand the EU into a union that expands from the Atlantic to the Pacific... is nothing like a head chopping group of terrorists wanting to create new countries in the Middle East in direct opposition to western meddling in that region.

    As mentioned before when the Soviet Union collapsed the west lost all respect for Russia and the Russian studies field in the west was abandoned by the wests brightest and best, so you end up with hacks and dead end losers in the diplomatic roles who screw things up more than they understand... maybe western universities will rebuild their Russian studies departments with at least competent people and a bit of respect can return to relations... but I suspect that ship has almost sailed and Russia is more likely to be looking in other directions for cooperation, because cooperation with abuse and being dictated to is not a nice healthy environment to be working in.
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    Post  kvs Sat Jan 29, 2022 5:59 pm



    lol1 lol1 lol1 lol1 lol1 lol1 lol1 lol1 lol1 lol1

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    Post  Hole Sat Jan 29, 2022 8:29 pm

    In the desert the gas turbine gets plugged with sand.
    On snow the thing is too heavy and the tracks don´t get enough grip.

    M1 = only useful in show rooms ($$$)

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    Post  kvs Sat Jan 29, 2022 9:40 pm

    Hole wrote:In the desert the gas turbine gets plugged with sand.
    On snow the thing is too heavy and the tracks don´t get enough grip.

    M1 = only useful in show rooms ($$$)

    It is really a spectacular achievement. Weight + tracks should mean highly effective grip. It looks like the tracks spin up way too
    fast which gives the slipping effect since the inertia of the heavy tank takes some time (seconds and fractions of seconds matter
    here). So before the tank is moving much, the tracks have clogged with mud and are not gripping effectively. So some of the
    fail in the above video is due to the tank operator pushing the throttle pedal too hard. Unless the thing has the wrong gear ratio
    for the lowest gear.

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    Post  Isos Sat Jan 29, 2022 10:29 pm

    That's an evasive manoeuvre. yes sir

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    Post  lyle6 Sun Jan 30, 2022 4:41 am

    The ground doesn't look frozen enough. Soft soil plus snow would easily turn to mud slush after a few churns by the tracks. You might need the dozer blade to scrape the topsoil off to expose just enough of the frozen soil beneath.
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    Post  kvs Sun Jan 30, 2022 5:58 am

    lyle6 wrote:The ground doesn't look frozen enough. Soft soil plus snow would easily turn to mud slush after a few churns by the tracks. You might need the dozer blade to scrape the topsoil off to expose just enough of the frozen soil beneath.

    The treads can bite enough even into pure ice and climb such a slope. The problem appears to be the clogging of the treads via icy mud.
    It is a design fail more likely than operator fail. The driver probably cannot take the hill at a slower speed. The tread design is probably
    inadequate as well.

    I have not seen video of similar climbing with T-72s or T-90s. So maybe it is not so funny.

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    Post  TMA1 Sun Jan 30, 2022 7:36 am

    Need to stop being lazy and put grousers on the tracks. God forbid they ever use anything but super thicc rubber pads on the tank tracks.
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    Post  ALAMO Sun Jan 30, 2022 9:41 am

    This slope is fully covered by ice.
    You can't control anything on it.
    The whole story is propaganda, and not a very wise one.
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    Post  TMA1 Sun Jan 30, 2022 10:03 am

    ALAMO wrote:This slope is fully covered by ice.
    You can't control anything on it.
    The whole story is propaganda, and not a very wise one.

    I'd tend to agree to not stop to the level of usual trolls but sometimes it's just fun to throw shade at your opponent.
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    Post  ALAMO Sun Jan 30, 2022 10:26 am

    Here where I live, we have such sloped streets.
    Sometimes in winter, you can't do anything other than leave your car as it is, hoping it will not slide down the road Laughing



    But I understand that it can be hard to imagine by someone who has never seen a snow in real Wink

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    Post  TMA1 Sun Jan 30, 2022 10:28 am

    Oh I have. I wrecked my car during a snow flurry on Snoqualmie pass a couple years ago. Luckily I had the money on hand to get back home relatively quickly. What a weird adventure.lol

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