Iran–Russia strategic economic partnership

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

The country's leadership also is considering the acquisition of 100 aircraft of the American company Boeing.

Previously imposed U.S. trade sanctions against Iran remain in force, however, the Boeing Corporation can apply for a special exception to the rule. At the same time the representative of the American aviation concern stated that until a decision on the sale of aircraft to Iran will have to overcome many stages, reports the BBC.

I don't believe this for a millisecond.  There is ZERO chance that Khomeini would allow Rouhani to place an order with Boeing, even if he wanted to.  The US is simply untrustworthy and its political elite are still rabid Iran-haters looking for any opportunity to undermine her.  More likely, Iran is simply playing the game of pretending to be flexible and not ruling Uh'Murican companies out of the running, but the statement "overcome many stages" is likely diplomat-speak for "not a fucking chance Yankee swine pig-dog"....

Airbus will pickup all long and medium haul passenger jets, while i expect Russia will likely sell at least some SSJ100 for short-haul domestic routes, more if they include local assembly or licensed production.

i think various companies self-presented as sellers to Iran. Airbus, Boeing, UAC

Some 60% of Iranians Approve of Russian Anti-Terror Operation in Syria

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/military/20160205/1034252189/iran-poll-russia-operation-syria.html#ixzz3zGlGiYBf


This is very interesting, because traditionally Islamist countries disapprove foreign involvement in their region

"Iran, Russia to enforce $40bn deals".


http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2016/02/04/448706/Iran-Russia-to-enforce-40bn-deals-

Enforce... odd word to use... makes me suspicious about the translation...

this is good news for Iran and Russia...

Russia, Iran sign documents for opening $2.2 bln credit line — ambassador

According to the ambassador, Russia has a priority at the Iranian market in terms of investment

MOSCOW, February 10. /TASS/. Russia and Iran have signed documents for opening a $2.2 credit line within the visit of Iran's delegation to Moscow, Iranian Ambassador to Russia Mehdi Sanai said on Wednesday.

"Documents for financing two contracts on construction of thermal stations and a railroad worth $2.2 bln have been initialed," he said.

In November 2015, after the talks between Russia’s President Vladimir Putin and Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei and President Hassan Rouhani an intention to increase the trade turnover between the countries was announced. Putin declared determination to grant a $5 bln public export loan for financing joint projects. Russia and Iran also agreed a loan for financing the construction of a railroad and thermal stations in Iran during President Putin’s visit to Tehran.

Iran to start building Bushehr-2 NPP in March

According to the diplomat, Iran is planning to start the construction of the Bushehr-2 nuclear power plant in March.

"Iran is open for foreign investments but Russia has a priority at the Iranian market, in particular, regarding the Russian experience in the construction of the Bushehr NPP," the diplomat said.

"The construction is set to begin in March," he added.

In November 2014, Russia and Iran signed in Moscow a package of agreements on the construction of eight nuclear power units in Iran, including Bushehr-2.

The project is estimated at over $10 billion.

Tehran ready to sign tariff reduction agreement with Eurasian Economic Union

The ambassador also pointed out that Iran is ready to sign an agreement on export tariffs with the Eurasian Economic Union (EAEU) in the nearest future.

"We plan to sign an agreement on export tariff reduction with the EAEU in the nearest future," he said.


More:
http://tass.ru/en/economy/855648

Oak: delivery of SSJ100 in Iran requires the approval of manufacturers of the USA


http://ria.ru/economy/20160216/1375199128.html

Then sell Tu-204 and MS-21?


Those fuc..I mean pizd.. I mean US partners.

GunshipDemocracy wrote:Oak: delivery of SSJ100 in Iran requires the approval of manufacturers of the USA


http://ria.ru/economy/20160216/1375199128.html

Then sell Tu-204 and MS-21?


Those fuc..I mean pizd.. I mean US partners.

And we all know how that will go, based on a long history of US political/lobby shenanigans/withdrawing export permission...etc, as discussed on other threads, such as the Il-96.
By all means develop things with others, but there needs to be a version completely free of any US and European parts, as history so reliably shows.
Otherwise, you are held hostage to "sudden" various "issues", and broken deals once again that prevent you from selling your product on an equal footing.

The MS-21 and other planned airliners should be prioritised, and an import tax placed on foreign airliners, as local competitor designs become available, to support the Russian product, manufacturers, and work force. That way aeroflot and others are made to contribute as opposed to simply sending billions overseas to corporations and political entities that would seek to crush the Russian civil aviation industry.
It's so obvious, a child could see it.

wilhelm wrote:

GunshipDemocracy wrote:Oak: delivery of SSJ100 in Iran requires the approval of manufacturers of the USA


http://ria.ru/economy/20160216/1375199128.html

Then sell Tu-204 and MS-21?


Those fuc..I mean pizd.. I mean US partners.

And we all know how that will go, based on a long history of US political/lobby shenanigans/withdrawing export permission...etc, as discussed on other threads, such as the Il-96.
By all means develop things with others, but there needs to be a version completely free of any US and European parts, as history so reliably shows.
Otherwise, you are held hostage to "sudden" various "issues", and broken deals once again that prevent you from selling your product on an equal footing.

The MS-21 and other planned airliners should be prioritised, and an import tax placed on foreign airliners, as local competitor designs become available, to support the Russian product, manufacturers, and work force. That way aeroflot and others are made to contribute as opposed to simply sending billions overseas to corporations and political entities that would seek to crush the Russian civil aviation industry.
It's so obvious, a child could see it.

Not every child has some US funded stypendia in Harvard Business School, not every kid has such deep pockets as "liberast" govt lobbyists in Russia. I am afraid there is even worse factor. There are idiots (yes in 150mln Nation you can find some) who actually believe western = better.

Practically to make sure comparable total cost of ownership comparable (ideally lower) so also financing /service worldwide. So Gref&co are downshifters here.


As for planes - Tu-204 is quick stopgap solution. But MS-21 full license? I am not sure, coo production of modules? yes please, the broader cooperation more chances to sell to this country.


BTW IMHO Iran will not rush announcing deals with Russia otherwise "suddenly"political atmosphere will worsen and 100bln USD will stay " safe" in US.

GunshipDemocracy wrote:Oak: delivery of SSJ100 in Iran requires the approval of manufacturers of the USA


http://ria.ru/economy/20160216/1375199128.html

Then sell Tu-204 and MS-21?


Those fuc..I mean pizd.. I mean US partners.

Same fate awaits MS-21 coz of western suppliers/inputs....We will know in time if the sanctions on Russia have affected the programme or not.
Like I felt earlier, the idiots likely did not promote the Tu-204/214 to Iran and instead wanted to push their new kid on block the Sukhoi's SSJ...

There is enough room for Tu-204 to get into Iranian market but from what we hear, there is absolutely no weight being put behind Tu-204 promotion, which is really unfortunate. No one is even talking about the new and lighter weight (they shaved off like more than 3 tons I think) Tu-204SM which is a real shame.

http://www.tupolev.ru/en/civil_aviation/tu-204sm

With Tupolev promotion, Russia also need to promote a maritime patrol version of Tu-204 so that IL-38 successor in the form of Tu-204P or whatever designation is fully developed as a platform and brought online.

On trainers, I wish Russia dust up the MiG-AT and promotes it. But the engine has to be AL-55 be it on Yak-130. The AL-55 has been a punching bag for murican fanboys and all blame for the IJT failure has been put on the engine. The usual reasoning also include not even Russia wants it and uses it.

This year we will be able to see the beautiful Yak-152 trainer in air and dont know if Iran will be interested. Bangladesh is probably the first outside customer and China have its own version of the Yak-152 which came out of joint collaboration with Russia.

The Tu-204 is dead as a commercial airliner. No airline will buy it. Iran is already buying Airbuses. Not that it could "replace" the SSJ anyway, the Tu-204 carry twice the passengers. Even if Iran wanted the Tu-204SM, the PS-90A2 engines have American (and other western) components, so there.

Tu-204 can't be exported without US approval either. Current PS-90 versions use P&W FADEC components.
It seems that for the MS-21 and PD-14 Russians finally learned and will have a completely Russian-made version (with the possibility of using Western engines and avionics also).

From my understandung they replaced the american components on the lates of PS engines.

Dima wrote:
Same fate awaits MS-21 coz of western suppliers/inputs....We will know in time if the sanctions on Russia have affected the programme or not.
Like I felt earlier, the idiots likely did not promote the Tu-204/214 to Iran and instead wanted to push their new kid on block the Sukhoi's SSJ...

MS-21 now is supposed to be without western components isn´t it?

There is enough room for Tu-204 to get into Iranian market but from what we hear, there is absolutely no weight being put behind Tu-204 promotion, which is really unfortunate. No one is even talking about the new and lighter weight (they shaved off like more than 3 tons I think) Tu-204SM which is a real shame.

Agreed for both maritime version and passenger one. For countries with tight budget which want to have rugged reliable liner. BTW Boeing 737 and Airbus 320 are not really newer designs, aren´t they?


I can see one more option here: Iran could be a partner in production of Tu-204. this would make one more client buying Tu planes and off-load Tu factory which soon is going to need more capacity to work on bombers.

Dima wrote: This year we will be able to see the beautiful Yak-152 trainer in air and dont know if Iran will be interested. Bangladesh is probably the first outside customer and China have its own version of the Yak-152 which came out of joint collaboration with Russia.

Yak-130 won and there´s not much sense to loose capacity on 2 different lines. I am big fan of light fighter based on Yak-130 components. Or MiG LFI with vertical landing


Joint collaboration with Russia magically materialized L-15 which should be in fact Yak-130 light fighter/bomber version and Iranian Sageh or whatever

sepheronx wrote:From my understandung they replaced the american components on the lates of PS engines.

Really? That is good news.

Russia ready to grant loan to Iran — finance ministry

The only issue not being accorded is the legal implementation of the agreement

MOSCOW, February 24. /TASS/. Russia is ready to grant a loan to Iran, the country’s deputy finance minister Sergey Storchak said Wednesday.

"The degree of readiness [to grant a loan to Iran] is very high, with one of three issues we haven’t finally accorded yet being the legal implementation of the agreement, which is a separate matter," Storchak said.

Credit to Iran is not related to the agreement on freezing oil production, Deputy Minister of Energy Anatoly Yanovsky stated earlier at the Krasnoyarsk Economic Forum.

"These are completely different things. If we talk about credit, it is for specific investment projects of mutual interest to Iran, and Russia, and which are economically viable and self-sufficient in itself," he said.
Overview of the agreement

Last week Storchak said three issues are still open regarding two pilot loans to Iran - on railroad and electric power projects. He added that the two loans are considered as pilot "without any connection with the symbolic sum of $5 bln" (announced earlier as a potential volume of the loan to be granted to Iran - TASS).

In February 2016, Russia and Iran have initialed documents for opening a $2.2 credit line within the visit of Iran's delegation to Moscow. "Documents for financing two contracts on construction of thermal stations and a railroad worth $2.2 bln have been initialed," Iranian Ambassador to Russia Mehdi Sanai said.

In November 2015, after the talks between Russia’s President Vladimir Putin and Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei and President Hassan Rouhani an intention to increase the trade turnover between the countries was announced. Putin declared determination to grant a $5 bln public export loan for financing joint projects. Russia and Iran also agreed a loan for financing the construction of a railroad and thermal stations in Iran during President Putin’s visit to Tehran.

More:
http://tass.ru/en/economy/858504

Iran National Bank Hopes to Resume Cooperation With Russian Banks Soon

Due to the lifting of international sanctions against Tehran, the country's largest national bank, Bank Melli Iran, is eager to start working with major Russian banks again soon, according to the chief of its Russian branch.

MOSCOW (Sputnik) — Bank Melli Iran (BMI), the Islamic Republic’s national bank which is the largest in the Middle East, hopes to restore correspondence and cooperation with major Russian banks soon, now that the sanctions have been lifted from Tehran, BMI's Russian branch Mir Business Bank’s chief said.

Most of the large Russian banks have disconnected their relations with Iranian banks in the past few years amid Western sanctions against Tehran imposed over fears Iran was developing nuclear weapons. The sanctions were lifted earlier this year, after the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) released a report in January stating that it had found no evidence of nuclear weapons development in Iran since 2009.

"We have to restart our correspondent relationships with big banks. We have started this process now. Hopefully this relationship will be reestablished in a short period of time," Mohammad Hazzar told RIA Novosti.

When asked whether he thought it was possible to establish correspondent relations between Russian and Iranian banks this year, Hazzar said "it is in the process; hopefully, within the next month it will start."

According to Hazzar, BMI recently held negotiations with Russia’s Vneshtorgbank (VTB), Vneshekonombank (VEB), Gazprombank and Sberbank on the renewal of cooperation.

BMI participates in the Russia-Iranian $5-billion credit deal, which envisages funds for Iranian projects mainly connected with Russian exports and services. Transfers and settlements for these projects are expected to be done by VEB through BMI.

"Maybe we will have a mutual cooperation with VEB of implementing this credit line," Hazzar said in the interview.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20160406/1037555012/iran-russia-bank-cooperation.html#ixzz4526aOttw

Iran will give Russia priority in any industry it wants to invest in — official

More:
http://tass.ru/en/economy/871740

Russia, China stops Saudi resolution to blacklist Hezbollah at UN

Saudi Arabia tried to push for the adoption of a U.N. Security Council resolution to blacklist Hezbollah but Russia and China vetoed the effort , Gulf sources said.

The U.S., which considers Hezbollah a terrorist group, also “ignored” the resolution that was drafted by Saudi Arabia, they told As Safir daily on Friday.

This development comes after the Gulf Cooperation Council and the Arab League branded Hezbollah a terrorist organization.

The blacklisting was preceded by a Saudi suspension of funds worth $4 billion aimed at equipping and supporting the Lebanese army and security forces.

The Saudi decision came after Foreign Minister Jebran Bassil, a Hezbollah ally, declined to support Saudi resolutions against Iran during two meetings of Arab and Muslim foreign ministers.

Iranian, Russian space agencies discuss joint projects

More:
http://tass.ru/en/science/871562

Three good news in a row.  

Since Iran is ready to give preferential treatment to Russia, and a good gesture which can help a genuine healthy mutual cooperation in the years to come, Russia needs to market the Tu-204 and IL-96 series to Iran. Unfortunately, there is no sign yet that Russian Govt/agencies have done that.

Military hardwares deal is a bet, but what Russia also needs to promote is whatever civilian goods it has. Top rate military products is a nice thing, but a nations profile in the hearts and minds of majority population of the of world is formed based on commercial/consumer goods. And thats is exactly where Russia lacks/fail and among the prime reason why Obama delt a low blow saying "Russia doesn't makes anything". And I agree with Obama....rather than cursing him and treating his statement as sour grapes, Russia needs to take that as a challenge and turn that situation upside down with commercial end products.

Russia have solid R&D base which, as i understand, are often made use by foreign companies to develop their commercial products, but its their identity that gets to the end user/customer whereas no one bothers about the origins of the development/research.

Dima wrote:
Since Iran is ready to give preferential treatment to Russia, and a good gesture which can help a genuine healthy mutual cooperation in the years to come, Russia needs to market the Tu-204 and IL-96 series to Iran. Unfortunately, there is no sign yet that Russian Govt/agencies have done that.

Forget about these two aircraft, both have been abandoned by OAK and are produced a few units a year for government and air force. Russia must make all efforts possible to sell at least some dozens SSJ and MS-21 aircraft to Iran.

Dima wrote:Three good news in a row.  

Since Iran is ready to give preferential treatment to Russia, and a good gesture which can help a genuine healthy mutual cooperation in the years to come, Russia needs to market the Tu-204 and IL-96 series to Iran. Unfortunately, there is no sign yet that Russian Govt/agencies have done that.

Military hardwares deal is a bet, but what Russia also needs to promote is whatever civilian goods it has. Top rate military products is a nice thing, but a nations profile in the hearts and minds of majority population of the of world is formed based on commercial/consumer goods. And thats is exactly where Russia lacks/fail and among the prime reason why Obama delt a low blow saying "Russia doesn't makes anything". And I agree with Obama....rather than cursing him and treating his statement as sour grapes, Russia needs to take that as a challenge and turn that situation upside down with commercial end products.

Russia have solid R&D base which, as i understand, are often made use by foreign companies to develop their commercial products, but its their identity that gets to the end user/customer whereas no one bothers about the origins of the development/research.

10% of Russian companies export or look to export, and as NationalRus pointed out, the border situation on control of flow of goods isn't all that easy for Russian businesses so export of civil goods ends up costly and burdensome for the local producers and the end user who is looking for the products. Lets face it, there is little chance Iran will see Russian toothpaste, soap, handicrafts, clothing, etc all on the Iranian market. Maybe tools form Crimea or such, and maybe building materials along with food stuff would end up on the market, but that is about it. I have read on RI from people who live in Russia that has all kinds of Russian made goods on the market (as I mentioned above - toothpaste, shoes, clothing, etc etc etc) but you won't see that on international market anytime soon. Russian businesses lack marketing skills and capabilities to do such activities outside its borders. And as Svyatoslavich stated, Tu-204 series have been shut down more or less, even though I prefer the aircraft over SSJ-100 or MS-21 due to being all Russian and lack of foreign components, but oh well, there may be a chance still for SSJ-100 and MS-21 if they can somehow bypass any form of sanctions still in place for Iran.

I imagine the big ones for Russia will be exporting and maintenance of oil and gas industry equipment, processing of oil to petrol and natural gas processing in Iran as well. Along with other things like construction, mining and metalurgy. I would say automotive but I doubt Russian companies like Avtovaz would do well as Iran already has Khodro as an example that would be far too competitive. Unless Russia can get at least Solers to open a plant or modernize a plant in Iran to build UAZ and other vehicles. Maybe Kamaz could do well. Outside all of these, military will be the biggest winner.

i would like to point out for some members that we have this thread for Russia-Iran MILITARY deals and cooperation

https://www.russiadefence.net/t3742-russia-iran-military-cooperation