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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Sat Jun 29, 2024 8:22 am

    So, what happens if the reformist guy wins the presidential election in Iran?
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sat Jun 29, 2024 8:27 am

    We don't have any prophets here, so time will tell!

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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Sat Jun 29, 2024 8:50 am

    🇮🇷❗Reformist candidate Masoud Pezeshkian is leading in the early Iranian presidential elections.

    14 million votes have already been counted, Pezeshkian received over 5.96 million votes. His main rival Said Jalili has 5.56 million votes.

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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Sat Jul 06, 2024 6:26 am

    A moderately pro western candidate Pezeshkian has won the elections in Iran. Sad


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    Post  sepheronx Sat Jul 06, 2024 7:39 am

    Anyone with half a brain knows The IRGC and Ayatollah rules the country.  The presidential candidates are chosen by the ayatollah.

    They are mixture of figure head and more internal than anything. Chances are, he may just bring more rights to women.

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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Sat Jul 06, 2024 7:59 am

    More through info

    🇮🇷The presidential elections in Iran have ended.  They were won by former Minister of Health Masoud Pezeshkian.

    He won 53% of the vote, beating conservative candidate Said Jalili in the second round.

    Pezeshkian is half Azerbaijani and half Kurdish.

    He is considered a supporter of moderate reforms and improved relations with Israel and the United States.  He also advocates for women's freedom in Iran.

    In addition, Pezeshkian is a member of the Iranian-Turkish Friendship Society.

    At the same time, he is an admirer of the Koran and supports the power of the ayatollahs.

    Observers believe that under the new president there will be no sharp reversals in Iran’s foreign policy, which is moving closer to Russia and China.

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    Post  nomadski Sat Jul 06, 2024 8:26 am


    Someone poo poo in Iranian politics , long time ago ! Iranians live in political poo poo water !




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    Post  lyle6 Sat Jul 06, 2024 8:44 am

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:So, what happens if the reformist guy wins the presidential election in Iran?
    Nothing of significance. There's a reason why Iran conducts its most important business in the middle east using the IRGC. An arm that answers only to the supreme leader of Iran.

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    Post  GarryB Sun Jul 07, 2024 4:01 am

    Some would cry lack of democracy, lack of choice, lack of freedom.... but really most people don't understand politics and just pick people they think they would be mates with, or agree with on one or two very important things and don't disagree on anything they care about.

    What I am saying is that real democracy where everyone gets to vote on everything is stupid and would not work.

    Most politicians can't be bothered reading all the shit they are voting on and just rely on advisors to give them expert advice... whether they actually read it too is a good question.

    When you are making decisions on things you have one view on and don't understand everything about because you never looked at anyone elses view then you will make bad decisions.

    Sometimes politicians make hard decisions that turn out to be right, and other times they make what appear to be good decisions that turn out to be damaging.

    The problem is the half the time the greatest influence on their decisions is who gave them the money to get elected and keeps sending them nice little presents.

    Or perhaps the gifts are of a horrific nature with threats...

    The point is that rich powerful companies, and the rich and powerful people have more influence most of the time... they can give you a couple of hundred thousand dollars, or if you are an honest person they can give a bum in the street $50 to throw shit at you at your next speaking event... or maybe even $10K for someone to take a shot at you or a member of your family or friends...

    What I am saying is the ideas of Putin and Xi, where you can either be political or you can be rich, but not both is probably the best model for democracy there is.

    Not sure about the rest of the world but in New Zealand politicians really look after themselves... if you get into government for one or two terms you get a good retirement package and free flights for you and your family via Air New Zealand for life. All sorts of expense accounts and not having to spend your money on anything... all you have to do is sit through some very boring meetings and speeches...

    What I am saying is that a vote is not a good way to run a country and most of the time most politicians want to change the world and then they get into power and find most things have been tried and didn't work, or had consequences that were worse than what they were trying to fix.

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    Post  nomadski Sun Jul 07, 2024 11:11 am

    I watched Pe Pe Escobar on you tube . He had a glitter of hope in his eye , when he spoke about the new multi-polar world and the SCO as a vehicle to achieve this brave new world . Setting aside the idea of multi-polarity , it's theoretical possibility , he mentioned how meetings are held there between members , and how these differ to meetings say in EU . He said that in SCO , the talk is of pure economics ! It is all about business , without concentrating on political problems . He saw this approach as superior , not loosing the glitter of hope in his eyes .

    You criticised me once for picking problems with the Taliban . Although , I was the one , who initially suggested financial help by Russia towards Taliban , indirectly through Iran , as a way of mending the relations . Yet , I , instinctively could not stop myself from commenting . In the same way , I find it difficult not to comment , say about the sad state of political affairs in Iran .

    Putin has to look at the situation from the international relations point of view . Also one of non- interference in domestic affairs . He simply has to stay out of it , or does he really ? The election of new president in Iran , brought more than a simple congratulatory remark ! It said something like " ...joint efforts to solve problems .. " Also with the Taliban " ...joint efforts to combat terrorism . " These are statements dealing with more than simple economics !Or the price of wheat . Instinctively one knows that they must be said .

    I have said before that the West does apply a political economy in it's dealings with the world . And that the Easteners apply an economic policy . I think it impossible to ignore politics and SCO needs to apply political rules of conduct on it's members too . Standards based on what philosophy ?

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    Post  GarryB Mon Jul 08, 2024 5:16 am

    When new people come in to office I think it is rather important to emphasise the things that are going well and cooperation that is bearing fruit and making things better for both sides.

    It is not like he said the agreements on trade through the Caspian Sea and Iran to India must remain open or there will be war.

    Russia is not saying Iran is not democratic and they must change their politics and religion to match Russia and do as Russia demands... that is what the US essentially does, or they say you are commie or muslim or non christian so you will never be as good as us, but we will buy your stuff and you will be grateful.

    All he did was congratulate a new leader elected by the people of Iran... unlike a certain leader very close to the borders of Russia with which they currently are at war who is no longer the leader of the country despite how much he pretends.

    In the same way , I find it difficult not to comment , say about the sad state of political affairs in Iran .

    Every country has problems, but not all countries are actually looking for solutions because the people with actual power are not effected by those problems... or they even benefit from those problems.

    The super rich and therefore also the super powerful in the west see the increasing gap between rich and poor to be a good thing because if money is power then the power belongs in the hands of the successful and the smart and the good looking, rather than the unwashed stupid worker bee section of society whose only role is to make life comfortable for the rich and powerful.

    Why would the super rich want to fix something they benefit from every day... well I suspect that is the appeal of zombie movies amongst the masses...

    As the leader of Russia who has worked together with Iran to build ties and promote shared interests to benefit both sides is of course going to want to continue that cooperation during a period of change in leadership of either country. This is Putin talking about current cooperation and hoping it can continue and expand to the benefit of both countries. There were no threats or demands there.

    When talking politics then talk politics, but when talking economics the politics has no place.

    Saying I wont shop at this cafe because the owners are jewish or french or American is not acceptable. Of course saying I wont eat at this cafe because their chef is a pig and spits and does worse to the food is perfectly relevant and sensible... but it needs to be fact rather than a rumour spread by other cafes.

    Some shops are too expensive, while you might not like the service or product quality at other places.

    For instance India and China bought Russian oil... not because it was Russian, but because it was the cheapest and the type of oil they can process and sell.

    Initially there were discounts because it was a new trade route and new agreements had to be made, but now discounts are reducing, but they will continue to buy because it continues to be the cheapest.

    In comparison with western countries who will refuse to buy products from certain countries because the US has told them they cannot... Iranian and Venezuelan oil for instance. They don't buy Russian oil directly, yet will happily buy from third parties like China or India.

    BRICS is all about removing politics from trade, and also about helping other countries grow and develop rather than trying to stunt growth and development in other countries like the west does with its sanctions and tariffs and abuse of the WTO and other international organisations.

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    Post  nomadski Mon Jul 08, 2024 12:00 pm





    There are symbiotic relationships . Animals know this , the programme is written in their bones . Or more likely information is encoded in their DNA , like a spider that " knows , " how to make a web . Humans are divided into classes and as such are tending to become different forms or " animals . " Each has it's own economic system . Are different human classes symbiotic or antagonistic ? Who should we feed , the Cat or the Dog ? It seems , we have yet to have this information hard wired into our brains or DNA . We are yet not evolved into different species . But far into the future , as  in the film " the time machine , " we may evolve into different species . Not needing instructions on who to kill and devour . For now , our father or mother tells us or our teacher or religious educator . How about a BRICS / SCO political body ?

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    A joke : Single Jewish kid in Catholic School . Teacher asks class " ...who is the most holiest person in all the world ? " Jewish kid insists on answering " Sir , the holiest person in all the world is Jesus ! " Teacher rewards him with a coin  , but asks " ...but why Jesus ? Are you not a Jew ? " Jewish kid answers " Yes Sir , I really think Moses is the holiest person in the all the  world .......But you know business is business ! "

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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Tue Jul 09, 2024 5:55 pm

    Pezeshkian informed Putin by telephone that Iran is ready to sign a comprehensive strategic partnership agreement with Russia in October at the BRICS summit in Kazan.

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    Post  GarryB Wed Jul 10, 2024 5:12 am

    I think agreements and discussions with Russia will continue because agreements and discussions with Russia will be about deals and arrangements that benefit Iran and also benefit Russia.

    This new guy might want reforms and to change Iran in this way or that but the west wont suddenly be nice to Iran and drop sanctions and treat them as equals.

    Russia has no sanctions imposed on Iran and does treat it as an equal and with respect.

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    Post  kvs Wed Jul 10, 2024 12:19 pm

    Pandering on "progressive" points is a bad option for Iran. Iran has plenty of women's rights. That is why it's birth rate is so low.

    As for democracy, if you look at how legislation is written in Kanada and elsewhere you see what nonsense it is. The legislators leave
    the details to the judicial system. That's right, the "statutes" don't have enough detail and it takes legal cases to clarify those details.
    What is the f*cking point of these legislators? Just have the judicial system write the laws. So we have BS like the ban on folding blade
    knives which naturally applies to folding box cutters that you can buy at the hardware store. You can be arrested and charged with a
    serious crime in true kangaroo "justice" fashion. Those precious politicians are working "hard" to "lookout for your safety".

    No they are working hard to generate their lawyer buddies a cash flow.

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    Post  nomadski Wed Jul 10, 2024 2:09 pm


    I still think economics is a first step . Intelligent investment , such as the new silk Road , will allow economic Caravans to cross . Maybe in time new civilisations will grow . Especially modern towns , say in Afghanistan . People coming from every corner . A broader identity forming , national identity , regional identity . Peace and progress . But what to do in the meantime ? That is why I was beating about the Bush , with my previous post . How to solve internal/ external problems ? In the EU , they need a unanimous vote in some cases to pass a law . The EU has a big political body . But does the BRICS or SCO ?

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    Post  kvs Wed Jul 10, 2024 2:45 pm

    BRICS have to maintain a free association model and not the EU unitary state formation model. BRICS does not need parasite bureaucrats who engage
    in woke social engineering. Naturally, BRICS members need independent governments that maintain historical social values and not submit to woke
    degeneracy. The world is facing a choice between sanity and total rot. Let the precious west sink in its own shit.

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    Post  GarryB Wed Jul 10, 2024 3:42 pm

    The difference is that the EU requires all members to agree, but it speaks with one voice.

    With BRICS, they are not dictating to others or imposing anything on anyone.

    That means if countries within BRICS decide to create a BRICS currency for trade amongst BRICS countries, they don't all need to agree. The ones that want such a currency can go ahead and create it and those countries that agree can use the currency amongst their nations for trade. For instance if India is not interested then India does not have to accept that currency as payment for anything.

    Eventually more countries may join that currency and as it develops it might become more appealing to other members as an extra currency.

    Right now international currencies include the Euro and the US dollar but such currencies are not ideal for most countries due to the fact that both currencies are used as weapons and methods of control... not to mention you reveal information on trade to predatory countries that want to hurt you.

    Over time having a new currency that has some backing behind it... perhaps gold, maybe a mixture of valuable items might be a useful thing for all BRICS countries to use rather than their own currency or the currency of the country they happen to be trading with at the time.

    BRICS has not demands... you don't have to use this or that currency, you don't have to follow this or that religion, and you don't need to be a democracy... China and North Korea and Vietnam and Cuba are all welcome and wont be bullied or pushed to become democracies by other members, who also wont be pushed to become communist.

    Interesting the recent SCO meeting in Astana didn't have English translations for everything... the SCO rules dictate the language of the host nation and the member nations but it does not require english be used... which surprised a few western reporters covering the meeting... hahahaha... there was no english translation channel on their ear pieces.

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    Post  kvs Wed Jul 10, 2024 4:10 pm

    The BRICS "currency" is a trade instrument instead of US type fiat. It is supposed to be backed by gold and not usable on the street by individuals but
    only for trade between countries. The US dollar is a paper token that can be used to bribe people since it is regular fiat money. So the BRICS
    "money" can't be used to engage control and spread corruption.

    Russia has a problem with Indian rupees because they can't be used outside of India. This can be solved with a more generally usable trade exchange
    instrument that does not flood a country with another currency for domestic transactions. India can retain controls over its domestic currency.

    The theme with BRICS is and should remain independence and autonomy. It is the model for the whole planet. The US dollar is a tool for colonial
    control.

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    Post  nomadski Wed Jul 10, 2024 8:06 pm



    And suppose China and Vietnam are both part of SCO / BRICS . They start disagreements over oil or fishing in South China Sea . Or imagine a million other problems . Then why should even SCO survive this ? Economic development without a political framework , will at best be temporary . I ask because the present economic arrangements and political frameworks of international bodies have failed . Benefiting a minority , and failing in doing even that . The ancients constructed magnificent stone monuments , for their vast empires ,  that they thought would last forever . Within their walls , they wrote on tablets of gold , the rights of man . They thought it would last forever !



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    Post  GarryB Thu Jul 11, 2024 6:35 am

    And suppose China and Vietnam are both part of SCO / BRICS . They start disagreements over oil or fishing in South China Sea . Or imagine a million other problems .

    SCO and BRICS is not about fixing problems to everyones satisfaction, the islands and fishing in the south china sea might never be resolved to all parties satisfaction, but SCO and BRICS is about trade and mutual growth and development... rather than competition and greed.

    Perhaps the best resolution is to share the resources, but it is something they can discuss, but it is a tiny problem in a sea of potential trade and development and growth.

    Then why should even SCO survive this ?

    If minor disagreements like this can divide people then there is no future for such petty little babies... cry to your mommy... maybe she will make things better.

    SCO also has defence aspects and include mutual support when members are threatened or challenged. BRICS is really just about trade and cooperation and development. Commerce and also education and growth.

    Economic development without a political framework , will at best be temporary . I ask because the present economic arrangements and political frameworks of international bodies have failed .

    The present international bodies are dominated by the west and are not interested in seeing the third world join the first or the second world... remember the first world is the west and the second world is the enemy... the commies and now democracies that are not accepted parts of the west that will never be let in because they are the second world. The third world is resources, but the second world has resources and technology as well, but neither can join the west because there is simply not enough energy and resources and wealth for everyone to live such wasteful lives as western people do.

    Within their walls , they wrote on tablets of gold , the rights of man . They thought it would last forever !

    Perhaps they were as hypocritical as the west is today with their universal declaration of human rights, which they violate every second of every day.

    The right to privacy is ignored, the innocent till proven guilty ideas are just ideas... essentially they seem to think these rights only apply to some Americans, and even then that is not true either.

    The west will kill anyone who gets in their way and there will be no trial and no reporter will care or they will join you...

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    Post  nomadski Thu Jul 11, 2024 7:21 pm





    Very Happy

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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Sat Jul 13, 2024 6:46 pm

    Iranian leader on peace and cooperation: key partners - Russia and China

    ➖In his article for the Tehran Times, the new President of Iran, Masoud Pezeshkian, emphasized the importance of strategic partnerships and peace:

    ▪ Friendship with China and Russia: China and Russia have consistently supported Iran in difficult times, and this friendship is highly valued.

    ▪ Strategic partnership with Russia: Russia is a valuable strategic ally and neighbor of Iran. The Pezeshkian administration intends to continue expanding and strengthening bilateral cooperation.

    ▪ Peace for Russia and Ukraine: Iran strives for peace for the peoples of Russia and Ukraine and will support initiatives aimed at achieving this goal.

    ▪Priority of cooperation in international organizations: Iran will continue to give priority to cooperation with Russia within the framework of BRICS, SCO and EAEU.

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