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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Fri Jun 17, 2016 7:04 pm

    sepheronx wrote:
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    sepheronx wrote:I tend to agree that debt is bad.

    That said, guess the euro bonds are part of that too.

    You really saw nothing wrong with her little rant?

    I really didn't read all of it.  Just the base point which I agree with.  Whatever else she has to peddle I am not interested in as you know how much I despise the woman.

    Edit: I decided to read the rest of it and yeah, it is only pure speculations on her end.  If they decided to raise deficit by 3 - 5% this year, that still isn't 30% that she proclaims.  If it was raised 3% this year, it is 15% then for public debt.  Which is still massively low.

    She and Kurdin & co are either traitors or just morons. Dunno what´s worse. About this case is clear manipulation of data . I do not know why Putin keep those Vth column there, he must have reasons we never know

    Adrem: sure debt is bad but lack of growth. Ad to this offshore companies who can participate in Russian state tenders, using US consultancies or sw companies, no barriers to stop flight of capital offshore is not an error it is crime in wake of war against Russia.

    Good that Putin doe snot yet let Kurdins´SOBs to push their agenda. Otherwise it is prescription for social unrest soon and then actions of liberal maydowns ....







    Russia's international reserves for the week rose by $5 billion
    http://www.sdelanounas.ru/blogs/79138/


    KiloGolf wrote:
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:I´d say Japanese are more going towards nanotechnology, gentics, robotics and aerospace than TV, thay still invest heavily n science and technology. So Koreans and  Chinese took over less complicated markets.

    How do you develop an OLED based or LED back-light TV then?
    Science and nanotech my friend. And In fact Koreans are now ahead of the Japanese in that regard.

    That´s why Lg  and Samsung are buying out Japanese OLED nano start-ups right? Japan in terms of AI, robotics, machinebuilading, airspace or new materials will be no match for Korea. With all respect due to Koreans going fast up.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Fri Jun 17, 2016 7:17 pm

    Russia and Vietnam signed an agreement on integration of payment infrastructure.

    http://www.sdelanounas.ru/blogs/79168/


    National payment card of "Mir" at the end of 2016 it will be possible to pay in Vietnam. Russia and Vietnam signed an agreement on integration of payment infrastructure between the NPS and the national payment system of Vietnam, BanknetVN. This "Izvestia" said a source close to the Central Bank-controlled National system of payment cards (nvqs). Nvqs confirmed that the agreement signed with BanknetVN. According to official representatives of the NPCs, in June, a similar contract will be signed with CJSC "Armenian Card" (the operator of the payment system of Armenia ArCa).

    According to a source close to the NPCs, BanknetVN (includes 44 Bank) reached an agreement on the organization of the ability to withdraw cash from ATMs Vietnamese banks on the cards "the World" and, on the contrary, in Russia — on cards of banks-members of BanknetVN.
    The interviewee said that now the NPS is negotiating with the payment systems of India (the EN Card), Belarus (BelCard), Armenia (Armenian Card), Kazakhstan (Tengri-card"), Kyrgyzstan (ELKART), as well as China Union Pay) and Japan (JCB) to provide the opportunity of payment for goods/services in these countries until the end of 2016. The future plans of the NPCs — EU countries.
    — As soon as the agreements with Japan and China will be signed, it will be possible to confidently say that the card "World" has acquired the international status, — said the source. — Thus, the national Russian card will cover the Asia-Pacific region.
    In a press-service of the NPCs said that together with the Central Bank are working on the possibility of cooperation with EAEU countries (Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan).
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    Post  Rmf Fri Jun 17, 2016 8:29 pm

    japan went for plasma tv and it was right plasma was offering better picture , but lower price less energy consumption and led tv won although it was worse.
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    Post  Vann7 Fri Jun 17, 2016 10:04 pm

    Rmf wrote:japan went for plasma tv and it was right plasma was offering better picture , but lower price less energy consumption and led tv won although it was worse.

    Plasma TV had higher contrast and more vibrants colors and did not have the angle view limitations of LCDs. Simply was better picture hands down. the problem however ,was the Plasma TV was technology not yet refined in durability. much more complex monitors , the screen was not thin like LCD ,was bulky like old TVs and heavier , while LCD were very light and Plasma TV
    had a Lamp inside that have to be replaced every 2 years. and to make things worse , the first plamas proved to be very bad for airports ,commercial use , since the logo of any company displayed all the time ,24 hours could burn the screen. So it was a very promising technology
    but not yet ready for consumer use.

    One of the best monitors you can buy today are the Sony Oled screen High Dynamic range monitors. What is high dynamic range? you will see it in this video a comparison.

    http://www.displaydaily.com/content/videos/20972-sony-shows-oled-4k-hdr-monitor

    Simply real sun light or Studio lights could have an intensity that average Monitors do not emulate for its limitations in dynamic range. Oled HDR TV's fix that.
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    Post  KiloGolf Fri Jun 17, 2016 10:16 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:That´s why Lg  and Samsung are buying out Japanese OLED nano start-ups right?

    Well, Koreans were bold, no only they developed the tech, partially on their own (I mean papers were out there since early 00s globally) but they were even bolder so as to have it launched on the first Galaxy S circa 2009, commercially. And establish themselves in a market (smartphones) that had no position whatsoever!

    What they buy now I guess is the competition and IP, lots of sweet delicious IP pirat
    They threw the Finns, Swedish, Canadians and Japanese out of the smartphone market in a matter of just a few years.

    Now Huawei is the one to look out (since last year here in EU).
    Massive batteries on them nice smartphones, cheap, done. Happy customer.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Fri Jun 17, 2016 11:20 pm

    Italy's Leonardo-Finmeccanica aircraft manufacturer and the Russian Helicopters firm will build 17 helicopters for the Russian oil company Rosneft, the company said Friday in press release.

    http://sputniknews.com/business/20160617/1041541517/russia-italy-deliver-rosneft-halicopters.html

    so Russian companies are sold to Arabs and Russian helicopters replaced by Italian?



    KiloGolf wrote:
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:That´s why Lg  and Samsung are buying out Japanese OLED nano start-ups right?

    Well, Koreans were bold, no only they developed the tech, partially on their own (I mean papers were out there since early 00s globally) but they were even bolder so as to have it launched on the first Galaxy S circa 2009, commercially. And establish themselves in a market (smartphones) that had no position whatsoever!

    What they buy now I guess is the competition and IP, lots of sweet delicious IP pirat
    They threw the Finns, Swedish, Canadians and Japanese out of the smartphone market in a matter of just a few years.

    Now Huawei is the one to look out (since last year here in EU).
    Massive batteries on them nice smartphones, cheap, done. Happy customer.

    smartphones keep evolving ... and delivering this kind of goodies is neither confrming hi tech country´s superiority nor a birth right. Germans are outta smartphones but would you say they are backwards with regards to Koreans? neither would I
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    Post  KiloGolf Sat Jun 18, 2016 12:53 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:smartphones keep evolving ... and delivering this kind of goodies is neither confrming hi tech country´s superiority nor a birth right. Germans are outta smartphones but would you say they  are backwards with regards to Koreans? neither would I

    Oh yeah, very much so. Germans are lagging behind in battery tech and computing/communications and their automotive industry's electrification is a decade behind the Asians. Bosch and co will try to snatch the battery management and systems edge, but it remains to be seen if they will complete with the emerging Chinese. My guess is they won't survive this without losses. They will loose most of their mark there. EU protectionism can only take them that far.
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    Post  Project Canada Sat Jun 18, 2016 4:57 am




    Putin: Russia ready to lift sanctions first, if certain that EU will follow suit

    Russia could lift the sanctions it has imposed on the EU, but to make such a concession, it would need to be certain that reciprocal measures would follow and that it wouldn’t be “once again deceived” by its Western partners, Russian President Vladimir Putin said.

    not sure if a good or bad idea..,
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    Post  kvs Sat Jun 18, 2016 5:03 am

    Project Canada wrote:


    Putin: Russia ready to lift sanctions first, if certain that EU will follow suit

    Russia could lift the sanctions it has imposed on the EU, but to make such a concession, it would need to be certain that reciprocal measures would follow and that it wouldn’t be “once again deceived” by its Western partners, Russian President Vladimir Putin said.

    not sure if a good or bad idea..,

    Putin should dial back the appeasement. EU-tard leaders need to stew in their own shit for a few years instead of having Putin sing sweet
    music in their ears.
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    Post  sepheronx Sat Jun 18, 2016 6:12 am

    You guys seriously need to read the articles before posting.

    Speaking at the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum (SPIEF) on Friday, Putin announced that Moscow might lift the sanctions that were put in place as a counter-measure to anti-Russia restrictions.

    “We must be sure that these unilateral measures taken by Russia will be followed by reciprocal steps, which won’t be – as one famous classic has said – a one step forward, two steps back,” he added, referring to a well-known phrase coined by Vladimir Lenin.

    The Italian PM, in turn, has announced that he will urge his European colleagues in the 28-member bloc to thoroughly discuss their next move with regard to anti-Russia sanctions.

    Putin also talked about how resolving the Ukrainian conflict could lead Russia to lift anti-EU sanctions.

    “If at some stage we see that almost everything [to resolve the Ukrainian crisis] has been fulfilled, then we will be ready to make the first step, including [sorting out] various restrictions in the sphere of trade and economics,” he said.

    Yet, Russia’s European partners should not hold Moscow solely responsible for fulfilling the Minsk agreements on the peace process in Ukraine, the state leader pointed out, “especially regarding those issues that are beyond our competence.”

    Meaning Putin is putting conditions on the lifting of sanctions. They would do it first if: EU agrees to lift sanctions themselves, they force Ukraine to peace, and something to guarantee that sanctions are lifted on them (Russia).
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    Post  Vann7 Sat Jun 18, 2016 6:40 am

    Here is just confirmation of what i said earlier. that what
    [/b] what we witness in the world today is a war of influence. [/b]
    Americans try to persuade Europeans to give away all they have if they want to continue
    being part of the "American world " and avoid negative retaliations or consequences. but also
    try to persuade Russian citizens by telling them Russia produce nothing and Americans have everything they need.

    Seph* Pay attention to this video..  It will clearly show you how this "War of Influence" works in real life example. is very well understood by Americans the leadership they have in business and they exploit this to their advantage to embarrass Russians and convince them to join their side..




    That video , right there , you see how Americans use their leadership in technology
    as a tool to brainwash Russian students ,into follow Americans and become a 5th column.
    This is why i said , Russia major problems it faces , is their poor leadership in the world in comparison with americans.  The US government use a lot this weakness of Russia ,as a propaganda tool ,to recruit Russian students into the American orbit.

    then McFaul goes and ask Russian students. Did you get what i am saying?
    yes he is telling Russians how superior is America to Russia. that is so much better ,
    that they need to join their side and stop sponsoring Putin and Russia. and become
    a "freedom fighter" for them.

    This is how US embassies  brainwash students to join their NGOs.
    This is why @Seph. i really believe ,that Putin is not aware of how Americans create
    the negative /destructive influence they have over Europe and the world. Most people will think that is the lies and money. but is not that. Money is a temporary influence , but not a life time one ,unless you offer them a life time job ,a house and a good place to live . a real influence
    will be to give people the things they really enjoy and like by being a leaders on it.

    So until MR putin do not takes seriously the OBLIGATION that Russia needs to leads in the world
    ,he will continue again and again provoking and endless confrontation with Americans,that will never end ever ,until Putin takes Russia to a leadership role.

    how Americans literary buy the support of Europeans. But Europeans salaries are even higher in some places ,and quality of life too , than in America. Canada quality of life is higher than in America, but Canada is not a very influent nation at all ,they produce nothing or lead in anything other than hockey ,So it can't be money. it have to be something else. Qatar for example have the highest standard of living in the world, the average
    citizen earns $150k a year. and their roads and shopping centers are full of gold. So what it is if is not money the ultimate influence?

    Leadership is the ultimate influence in the world. And Americans leads in technology ,entertainment ,military and economy and international laws and politics.  American leadership is what makes Europe to follow so destructive policies . and Russia LACK OF leadership is what makes it possible for Americans to start sanctions on Russia and twist the arm of Europe
    into obedience.  

    So right there in that video.. U.S. ambassador Michael McFaul
    show Russian students. why america is better.
    1)Apple Smartphones
    2)Windows Pc
    3) Computers.

    he is clearly trying to influence Russian students , to become liberals and pro USA.
    So if MR Rasputin understood how Americans creates 5th column in the world ,then mr Putin
    will really take seriously the need to become leaders too. As Japan ,France and Germany but also Italy are in their own way. Japan have the cars that most people likes to buy ,and the best consoles and anime popular too.  France the capital of fashion ,perfum and produce high quality technology too. and one of the countries in europe with highest standard of living. Germany ,produce the most wanted luxury cars BMW, and leaders in Mechanical Tools , and communications equipment ,leaders in Pharmaceutics too.  can you see this Seph?
    Italy world leader in classic and modern aquitecture , produce very fine sport cars and have the most impressive tourist places. and have one of the best zones of Europe that riches likes to live. for its warmer weather and very wealthy properties . George Clooney himself ,told Italy was his favorite place in the world to live.  So thats influence.

    So if only Mr RasPutin , knew how Americans brainwash people into joining their side ,
    then Putin will not be doing many things he does today that are totally retarded.
    Will NOT be financing pensions of world war 2 veterans. in other nations so incredibly stupid.
    Reducing the space program budget. So wrong ,it have to be increased. Spending so much
    in Sports .. WRONG.  and on building ice breakers and on its navy.


    he really needs to stop thinking in terms of Gasprom profits ,and more in terms of
    Influence. Putin can build all Russia with streets and all the toilets in gold and win all the olympics every year , and still Russia will NOT have  the influence it needs to defeat United States exxeptionalism world order. So Putin really needs to become  a leader and stop being a follower. It needs to take its space program ,as serious as it takes its nuclear deterrence modernization program and its National Security.  by clearly dominating in space ,Russia will automatically attract the best scientist and minds to Russia. Because Space is the ultimate frontier for humanity development.  leading in space ,and leading in Manned landings etc.  Russia cannot allow Americans to land first in the moon or mars or become irrefutable leaders in space again. neither space x.  Putin needs to be very ambitious in space and on its semiconductor industry too and start thinking to lead and not just compete.  in creating its own internet will be nice too. because you will see how Russia will be disconnected from the internet sooner or later it will be a matter of time.

    i Assure you ,once Russia become clear cut leaders and dominating in space , and a few other
    Important things that people really Like. Then McFool and any other Americans will have no Argument to convince any Russian citizen to lose hope for his country. and become a 5th column.


    Today Putin told ,that United States is the only Super power.  No
    So how can Putin convince anyone to take Russia seriously and defend their independence
    if even Putin downplays Russia own role in the world?  No

    This is sad beyond anything. Russia is totally in submission to Americans.
    And on top of that Putin does not know how to reverse the problems he created .
    he believe by being polite and nice , he will convince Americans to not be leaders. No
    Putin needs a completely new and different team of advisors and shoot in the head the ones he have. He will do well to hire former American high ranked politicians to his staff. because i honestly do not see how is possible for any Russian advisor ,to understand the problems
    Russia is creating. my prediction is that Putin will be humiliated more times , and it will become
    so pathetic ,that it will lose the support of even Russian citizens. Only a miracle , will save
    Russia from becoming isolated from Europe . Something like Europeans become so incredibly annoyed by American wars and the muslin massive migration into Europe ,that they abandon the American Imperialism project and form an alliance with Russia.

    Perhaps we are looking at the wrong place. and expecting too much from Russia.
    with its so outdated leadership. China might be really the one that will totally take the world
    by storm leading in where it matters. You only need to look at Jack MA ,the most successful
    millionaire of CHina, the guy do not have a defeatist aptitude of Putin ,and truly amazing the man how optimistic he is and he is influenting a lot the chinese government. and bill clinton and Obama even have been trying to recruit him.  This is the problem of Putin Seph. Leadership.
    Putin have a problem of leadership ,that somehow balance it ,with his patriotism and desire
    to create a greater Russia. But Mr Putin do not understand that there will be no second best
    for americans. they will never accept that. he not even speak English fluently something that he should be doing and he try to influence Americans to stop its Cold war. Putin unfortunately is
    terribly advised in how to influence Americans to stop their cold war .

    Putin conferences lately looks more like he is crying and complaining and now even
    downplays Russia  by saying USA is the only superpower.  No  wanna see how leadership and optimism talks?

    Jack MA could be an amazing President for China , even though he could be
    seen as liberal.



    China could truly become the next super power.they however will need to work on the freedoms
    and become more open. which is what Jack MA have told had to fight to manage get the business he wanted.

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    Post  sepheronx Sat Jun 18, 2016 8:06 am

    McFail hasn't convinced anyone. Even look at the comment section in Youtube which is usually full of ranting idiots, is actually far convinced that he is an idiot.

    As one guy said - all made in China. None of that is made in USA and even someone else posted that if it wasn't for Russian, Chinese, Indian and other students from other countries, Sillicon valley would be nothing.

    Iphones? Made in China
    Laptops used in both USA and Russia? - China
    Windows? An OS that is losing ground now. Made in multitude of countries now. Programmers are contracted as well for its development.

    McFail doesn't really push anything that is interesting. We should also show successful Samsung products to him, and LG ones as well that say "Made in South Korea". Better quality automobiles from South Korea. TV's and every day appliances made in Korea. And then what would be the point? It wouldn't come to anything.

    I would have countered it and said: "McFail, the laptop you are looking at, using an Intel processor? Is it multicore? Who do you think created Multicore intel CPU design? Yes, an ex Elbrus employee" Or "Windows OS? You mean an overbloated operating system that is now failing hard all thanks to Windows 10? Where do you think the idea of the DOS came from? Do you think that they didn't steal knowledge from it?

    Then I would proceed to show him companies like Micron, MCST, Baikal electronics - Angstrom T and then explain to him about RD-180 engines. Maybe even go further to talk about the ISS and its various Russian modules.

    The problem is Vann, maybe someone like you would be easily convinced. Most people in Russia are not. There will always be people who are convinced of course, but that means very little. And all he is doing is enticing young people to say "Oh, is that so? OK, let us prove you wrong". Usually, such tactics have an opposite effect.

    And I suppose you got the video from this link:
    Michael McFaul Is the Reason I Tell People I'm From Canada (Video)
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    Post  Vann7 Sat Jun 18, 2016 8:54 am

    sepheronx wrote:McFail hasn't convinced anyone.  Even look at the comment section in Youtube which is usually full of ranting idiots, is actually far convinced that he is an idiot.

    As one guy said - all made in China.  None of that is made in USA and even someone else posted that if it wasn't for Russian, Chinese, Indian and other students from other countries, Sillicon valley would be nothing.

    Iphones? Made in China
    Laptops used in both USA and Russia? - China
    Windows? An OS that is losing ground now.  Made in multitude of countries now.  Programmers are contracted as well for its development.

    McFail doesn't really push anything that is interesting.  We should also show successful Samsung products to him, and LG ones as well that say "Made in South Korea".  Better quality automobiles from South Korea.  TV's and every day appliances made in Korea.  And then what would be the point?  It wouldn't come to anything.

    I would have countered it and said: "McFail, the laptop you are looking at, using an Intel processor?  Is it multicore? Who do you think created Multicore intel CPU design? Yes, an ex Elbrus employee"  Or "Windows OS? You mean an overbloated operating system that is now failing hard all thanks to Windows 10? Where do you think the idea of the DOS came from? Do you think that they didn't steal knowledge from it?

    Then I would proceed to show him companies like Micron, MCST, Baikal electronics - Angstrom T and then explain to him about RD-180 engines.  Maybe even go further to talk about the ISS and its various Russian modules.

    The problem is Vann, maybe someone like you would be easily convinced.  Most people in Russia are not.  There will always be people who are convinced of course, but that means very little.  And all he is doing is enticing young people to say "Oh, is that so? OK, let us prove you wrong".  Usually, such tactics have an opposite effect.

    And I suppose you got the video from this link:
    Michael McFaul Is the Reason I Tell People I'm From Canada (Video)


    The point that even if all those things were manufactured in China , those things
    were Invented in AMerica. see the difference? Is American technology. That as i posted
    earlier Russian Girls are ready to get naked in public just for one American technology.
    That example alone should tell you , where the American power comes. From its leadership
    in technology and entertainment and its major edge in Space ,since they travel to mars with rovers there and Russia is happy to be taxi to the ISS and nothing else.

    When Americans have so much influence in the world ,that even Russian Girls
    get naked for an iphone ,you should realize ,how important is that Russia becomes
    a leader too in the world ,and start doing things that awe the world and not just better nukes.
    and pay pensions of veterans .  Russia is not going to impress anyone in Europe with cheap
    gas discounts . Putin Do not Understand that Russia lack of leadership is the only Reason
    that Russia is in a Cold War with Americans. Because if Russia was a clear leader in the world
    at very least in space ,and was landing there with human in mars now , you bet ,that Americans will see, they can benefit A LOT from Russia leadership in space and that it will be best for their interest to be friend of Russia and learn from them how to master space travel.. see?

    When Putin Spend 52 billions dollars in Sochi alone. but only 1.5 billions dollars in space every year.and then later throw the the garbage a lot of money in financing Veterans of world war 2 in Baltics and Israel.  it  only shows his total disconnection with the world and the reality he live. Russia simply do not know where its priorities should be.  and rest on its past glories to uplift
    its image today in the world. This is wrong. Putins tells Europe to remember how Russia defended them 70 years ago.   If Russia was a leader, and Putin had a clue ,Putin will not have a need to "Remember" Europeans how great Russia was in the past. Europeans will be instead
    fighting in line to be part of the Russian world and have a chance to travel to the moon or mars their nation with Russia. See?  Is an influence problem . nothing more and nothing less.

    Americans Neocons  only respect leadership and power and nothing else. And Russia only
    influence americans negatively ,with its nukes. and this will only convince americans that Russia needs to be destroyed. So see the contradiction? That what putin believe will save Russia ,is what encourage its American partners to really want to destroy them. Before they take control of the world ,they will need to disintegrate Russia.  Nothing of this will be happening had Russia was a nation like Japan that influence a lot americans society with their business.

    If Russia saved the money it waste in Financing Pensioners of foreign nations , in Olympic Stadiums and in maitaining a very large old NAVY fleet . then Russia space program could have a similar budget of the american space program. ~12 billions a year. this means if Putin knew its priorities better, he will easily have 10x times more funding for space. and will be sending rovers to mars and moon and saturn moons and totally owning and dominating in space.

    Russia could even become a major nation in space tourism . that truly will be prestigious
    for Russia. but putin is busy complaining why its western partners do not respect Russia.
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    Post  Project Canada Sat Jun 18, 2016 9:07 am


    @Vann

    Putin may not be perfect but he did a lot of positive things in Russia that nobody in the early 2000s can afford to do, complaining about his shortcomings won't change the situation however, lets just hope that he will realize the points you presented and intensify the creation of new innovations in Russia's economy or if not him, his next successor.
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    Post  sepheronx Sat Jun 18, 2016 11:20 am

    It isn't up to the government or Putin to make these technologies. That would be classified as "central planning" economic model which isn't ideal. You cant stop some floozies who have no self respect but to show off breasts or whatever it is you are complaining about for some cheap item. Let them. That is their own problem. Woman also fall for drug addicted two bit actor or singer as well. Some woman (white) flaunt themselves to a black guy just because he is "different" or "Dangerous" or whatever else.

    Russia has a movie industry, and a music industry as well as a slowly growing video game industry and tech industry and so on so forth. But it is up to the people as well to make it. It is up to the people to start companies and be compelled to do it as well. Yotaphone is an example as such. Russia isn't really a marketing genius of a country, that is for certain. They have the technology, know-how and skills but there is almost 0 in terms of marketing skills, and this is evident. But what can be said though is that if you are certain you have those skills, may I suggest opening up a marketing company in Russia? I for one do not have those skills as I am struggling to get my website desired traffic. And that is just a website.

    On contrary to belief, high budgets don't really get people anywhere these days. Innovation does. Hollywood, contrary to how much is spent, is on a decline simply because few movies actually do well, and the return can be great, but money spent is absolutely ridiculous. Add to that, there is so much rehashing that there is a lot of people just absolutely pissed off on Hollywood. Recent Ghostbusters movie is an example of that. As well, Apple's first designs like iPhone and what not was impressive. Now time has gone by and new iPhones are pretty much nothing. There isn't anything to them that is different besides its shitty OS. Guaranteed that they spent more on marketing than they did in any design since the first iteration of iPhone. But what still gets them sold is the name behind it and that is pure marketing.

    At this point, you expect any other leader would change this. They wouldn't or couldn't. Simply because it isn't up to 1 guy to control every aspect of a nation of roughly 147M people. People have responsibilities as well. Putin is making it easier to do business in the nation, but as mentioned, the ball is also in the hands of the people as well. Russian products in terms of entertainment is growing outside of Russia, particularly in China and CIS countries. But there is so much control of information that rarely does few of these make it here in the west. Even China's movie industry struggles outside of its own or Chinese named products.
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    Post  Hannibal Barca Sat Jun 18, 2016 12:42 pm

    Vann7 what you search for described by the so called global influence indexes. Probably the best know report is the one that I attach:


    http://www.globalpresence.realinstitutoelcano.org/en/data/Global_Presence_2016.pdf

    PS Oh and as a side-note I agree that it's all it matters.
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    Post  sepheronx Sat Jun 18, 2016 5:41 pm

    Ivanov believes that it is not necessary to hurry with the abolition of anti-Russian sanctions
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    Post  sepheronx Sat Jun 18, 2016 5:56 pm

    Over $15 bln worth of deals signed at SPIEF 2016 — organizing committee More: http://tass.ru/en/economy/883343
    T. PETERSBURG, June 18. /TASS/. Within the framework of the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum (SPIEF 2016) 332 formal agreement for around 1 trillion rubles ($15.44 bln) were signed, Adviser to the Russian President, Deputy Chairman of the Organizing Committee - Executive Secretary, Anton Kobyakov said on Friday at a press conference of the results of the forum.

    Also:

    Cancellation of sanctions may cause the bankruptcy of producers of cheese
    Which is a problem of course and I don't see sanctions being lifted anytime soon.
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    Post  kvs Sat Jun 18, 2016 7:25 pm

    sepheronx wrote:Ivanov believes that it is not necessary to hurry with the abolition of anti-Russian sanctions

    The price increases stopped in March of 2015. So it is stupid for Ivanov to even bring this "damage" up as it just feeds the anti-Russian
    propaganda narrative.
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    Post  Vann7 Sun Jun 19, 2016 4:27 am

    Project Canada wrote:
    @Vann

    Putin may not be perfect but he did a lot of positive things in Russia that nobody in the early 2000s can afford to do, complaining about his shortcomings won't change the situation however, lets just hope that he will realize the points you presented and intensify the creation of new innovations in Russia's economy or if not him, his next successor.

    MAke no mistake , i don't hate Putin. He is a Good President with some exceptional abilities
    in diplomacy and in creating unity in the nation ,this is really good for Russia. Putin Position will be better as the one of LAvrov or something like a minister of nation unity and solve sectarian
    problems ...etc.. Lavrov also do a good job in diplomacy . The problem however is that Putin is not a businessman ,he is totally disconnected from that.. the man not even use internet , how he expect to understand how the world thinks,how Russians think? what his society wants ,what they like? In the world of Business , image is everything. People perceptions ,but also of course that what you sell works as advertised. which also means Image. Company Image.

    He try to create patriotism through Sports, and nothing wrong with that. but all that is not
    as effective as if Russia was a leading nation in technology or entertainment or space
    and had their country infrastructure very high.
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    Post  Austin Sun Jun 19, 2016 4:39 am

    Russia strikes over $15bn worth of deals despite sanctions at SPIEF 2016

    https://www.rt.com/business/347301-spief-forum-main-highlights/
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    Post  Vann7 Sun Jun 19, 2016 5:56 am

    sepheronx wrote:They have the technology, know-how and skills but there is almost 0 in terms of marketing skills, and this is evident.  But what can be said though is that if you are certain you have those skills, may I suggest opening up a marketing company in Russia?  I for one do not have those skills as I am struggling to get my website desired traffic.  And that is just a website.

    On contrary to belief, high budgets don't really get people anywhere these days.  Innovation does.  Hollywood, contrary to how much is spent, is on a decline simply because few movies actually do well, and the return can be great, but money spent is absolutely ridiculous.  Add to that, there is so much rehashing that there is a lot of people just absolutely pissed off on Hollywood.  Recent Ghostbusters movie is an example of that.  As well, Apple's first designs like iPhone and what not was impressive.  Now time has gone by and new iPhones are pretty much nothing.  There isn't anything to them that is different besides its shitty OS.  Guaranteed that they spent more on marketing than they did in any design since the first iteration of iPhone.  But what still gets them sold is the name behind it and that is pure marketing.

    At this point, you expect any other leader would change this.  They wouldn't or couldn't.  Simply because it isn't up to 1 guy to control every aspect of a nation of roughly 147M people.  People have responsibilities as well.  Putin is making it easier to do business in the nation, but as mentioned, the ball is also in the hands of the people as well. Russian products in terms of entertainment is growing outside of Russia, particularly in China and CIS countries.  But there is so much control of information that rarely does few of these make it here in the west.  Even China's movie industry struggles outside of its own or Chinese named products.

    Simply Putin needs to look at Japan , that all he needs to do. at the positive things they do.
    Look at Japan ,how they compete VERY WELL with Americans. and even defeat them in many business. Sony Playstation beats Microsoft Xbox One. and Sony brand is sony brand. is a class on its own. they are a world wide leader in technology and electronics.

    In that meeting of Mcfaul with Russian students.. contrary to what you think. he was right.
    he told did you know what i mean? yes , he was saying America is better than Russia in technology that everyone love to have. and he is right. And he was taking advantage
    of americans business and development clear leadership to convince Russian students ,to abandon their loyalty to their motherland ,and join their side. And promote the american way.

    So american government knows very well how to influence people for real,but Putin doesn't know that. He sees things in terms of numbers. in terms of Good economy or bad. He wants GazProm to become a monopoly in the world. but also to become a world leader in organic food. then Putin will be happy with that.  And this is serious mistake. is Horrible.  

    For a country like Russia , that have so many powerful enemies ,having a good economy
    is not enough. This is what mr Putin don't understand
    Russia needs to be powerful too. and what is Power?  Power is Leadership and influence.
    And cheaper energy bills is definitively something that every nations wants.. something
    that will give Russia influence. But is not something that will make people feel in love with Russia. see?

    And here is were Mr Putin get it all wrong. My Turning Russia into the world biggest energy exporter ,and world biggest natural food exporter. Is not going to help Russia become
    an influential nation , that it needs to be ,for the rest of the world to take Russia seriously.
    So yes do the business all you want ,and get all the money you can. But Russia priority in their
    nation development have to be ,to make the world fall in love for Russia. Thats what Russia needs. So that it no longer its enemies wants to destroy her.

    So im glad ,Russia was banned from the olympics in brazil. and everyone knows United States is behind it.  that way Mr Putin will see that no longer can count in sports as a way to advertise Russia image in the world , and will perhaps get a clue (with some luck) and at any other thing , that he could try to influence the world ,things Americans love and respect. And that THEY WILL NOT BAN

    mmm.. what that could be? mmm
    what things Americans respect from Russia?  so hard.. mmm.
    any ideas?

    perhaps.. this?

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    yes. indeed.

    This is were Putin need to spend all his money, all his salary ,everything. needs to be
    throw there. Space is something everyone love ,admire and will love to see conquered. This is where Russia needs to look and invest heavily. and Fuck Sports. they are only useful for a week
    of glory ,but im sure everyone already forgot of Sochi ,just a year later. but no one will forget
    the first man in space.  the first man in moon ,the first man in mars?

    If Putin knew ,what the world thinks ,what humanity more admire, then he will be building rockets with his own hands , and have a space budget at least 10x times higher and not reduce it. Rolling Eyes  and really push very hard ,as if Russia existence depend on it , in creating the first
    space tourism agency. using something like a space shuttle. how many people you think will love to travel around the moon orbit it one time and return to earth in a luxury space shuttle and land later ,in an airport ,like any other plane does? Really? This will be Spectacular , it will paralize world media. and this is how you defeat Americans destructive leadership in the world.
    by making Russia a very attractive nation. Even the billionaire elite who wants to destroy Russia will be fighting this time for a ticket to the moon orbit and return. Naturally such travels will be
    for very rich people ,but with time ,technologies will be created to make space travel more and more cheaper.

    instead of what Russia is today.
    Not sexy.. says the European commissioner. You really think Europeans love to be invaded by 2millions of muslins? they need to eat that shit,because thats what their american masters tells them to do. or else lose their relation with the american world will end and will become isolated.
    I assure you seph.. if Russia was clearly leading in space and landing in the moon or mars with humans , they will TOTALLY be opposed to fight with Russia and will instead seek to become allies. Because they will see for the first time ,it really needs Russia and that Russia is a leader and have a place in the world.  

    To cut the space budget is a terrible mistake. , to focus on turning Russia into a gas monopoly
    and organic food monopoly ,and only that. is a mistake. Russia needs to be an attractive nation
    for the already developed nations in the world ,and not just attractive to Asia ,and why the west ?  so that they no longer sabotage Russia security ,economy and peace.

    but if they want to give up in space ,then they can try the entertainment industry ,or semiconductor industry or even Sports cars , Influence is where Russia needs to fight. in the things people more like to have or more amaze them. or in the things ,that people spend their hard earned money ,after breaking their bones in their jobs. if Russia industry can produce the things people more like ,then Russia will become a very influential nation in the world. very attractive  , a very respected one.

    Then it will not have to worry about NATO anymore ,because it will not exist. Europeans will leave NATO if they see that no longer needs the American Business at all to become a development nation if they have Russia.

    the ultimate influence will be Mastering space travel. imagine how much "Stealing the show"
    Russia will do traveling to the Orbit of any of this places and with manned missions?
    or even better landing too in mars moons?  Cool

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    Or creating business that rival Apple ,Intel or microsoft,it will be not as awe as
    as dominating space ,but still will be very good. but something even better will be Entertainment industry. US and EUrope love that. and spend a LOT of money on it.
    What dominates the video game entertainment industry?
    Which countries dominate video game entertainment industry ?
    1)USA , 2)Japan,3)Europeans 4)South Korea 5)CAnada.

    China is doing a lot of business too ,in the art department , many of the games released
    hire Chinese studios to produce the game art.

    Video Games is creating a revolution in technology ,that will have never been possible
    if it wasn't strong. like Virtual Reality head sets. that also can be used in the military industry
    or in space. but also promoting music industry too. and for the first time , Movies are made
    after sucessfull games ,and not the other way.


    How much money the video game industry makes world wide?
    100 BILLIONS $$$. per year. try to digest that. This surpass the defense industry ,Energy industry,music industry and hollywood. in terms of influence that is.

    RUssians private developers have some games here and there. but not really jumping in the market in a serious way. Even Poland or Canada is stronger than Russia in the video game entertainment industry. And to make things worse the CIA are now infiltrating on it ,to also demonize Russia. painting Russia and CHina as the enemies.  and they as the good guys ..lol1

    in battlefield games you need to kill Iranians,chinese and Russians.
    In Metal gear solid latest games you kill soviets because of their repression of the poor
    afgans. imagine that , not mentioned NATO invasion of Afganistan or IRAQ. lol

    Putin's vision of Russia is totally ignoring what society more love and likes , he is still to attached to the soviet glorious past and not looking a modern world ,what is doing.  and his enemies are not ignoring it. while Putin complain of how unfair the west is ,with Russia ,and how is not taken seriously, Americans are busy influencing things ,positively and negatively. This is a major problem. That Russia is not doing much to influence things. he really believes that things will be better ,once Russia no longer depends on Europe and get his economy moving again. No  and thats a short sight view of the problem he faces. of Russia not projecting a major leadership on anything in the world. that really matters other  than its military.

    On a positive note.. at least Putin understand he cannot isolate itself from the world.
    So he is always open to Europe and even to Americans. This is good. and is the only reason
    that have allowed Russia to not become totally isolated and even get some support from Europe in ending the economic sanctions in Russia.

    about promoting a website , Youtube is a good place for any promotion. Russia is on the headlines every day ,but not for the right reasons ,instead of how Russia "agression" . So you
    can name any video with the name of Russia.. this or Russia that. and show the technology they working. Promoting anything is like elections in politics. You need to call the attention that you exist and that you have something to offer. in your case information.

    What Putin could do ,to help shape the economy of Russia to a modern one .,,

    Is pick a bussiness ,develop with Russia government money and once the business running
    and making profits to sell it ,to any Russian investor of their trust that is patriotic and keep the business in Russia. Russia government could start a Game Developing company ,and release one game that is decent , lets say game for children , that every Russian family will love to buy for their childrens and after that sell the company so others continue running it and create real games that compete with any other in the west. Movie industry does not produce as much money with all the piracy ,so i will stay away from it ,unless is cheap movies . Music too ,is not making a lot of money now. other than live concerts. Still Music industry is important because it helps dramatically to promote fashion and culture or any idea. it create followers and fans.
    Russia needs to create fans too ,and not just have a boring economy that nobody cares or feel proud of it.



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    Post  sepheronx Sun Jun 19, 2016 7:29 am

    Holy shit Vann, you are beyond help.  You have pretty much 0 idea how business works.  Get a hint, it isn't 1 guy.  There is a book, called something like Good Samaritans on economics, and essentially it is all about how these countries you adore was all about protectionism.  Sony moved its HQ to US BTW.

    No, McFail wasn't correct.  I already mentioned technology and development.  If you want to be a complete dolt and ignore it, be my guest.  Reason why you are on my ignore list, dunno why I bother to look at what you say.

    If you are all mighty in knowledge, go hit up Putin an email and explain why you think he is doing things wrong.  Better yet, go over to Russia and explain to all of them why they don't make anything regardless how much you are wrong.  Go ahead and try.

    Not only is your drivel beyond understanding or even comprehensible, it really doesn't prove anything nor does it really have anything to do with this thread, which I think you are either trolling or seriously believe your own delusion.  Might I suggest you go read up on some development news, like from sdelanounas.ru or something?  It might clear your head.

    If you really want to learn economics, first thing is don't try to make it look like Japan is a model worth copying.  Go read up on zerohedge and others.  They will explain to you why Japan is a ticking time bomb.

    Japan: A Future Of Stagnation
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    Post  Viktor Sun Jun 19, 2016 1:24 pm

    Nice thumbsup

    Ulyukayev proposed to raise the retirement age after 2018
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    Post  kvs Sun Jun 19, 2016 3:38 pm

    The problem with ZeroHedge and other libertarian organizations is that they misrepresent Keynes' ideas. He was not
    advocating GDP growth through consumer and corporate debt. He was advocating that during boom times governments
    should accumulate funds (reserve funds) which they should spend during recessions. This is a "macroeconomic governor"
    proposal which is totally valid. Few governments follow this advice. During boom times they cut taxes and during recessions
    they impose austerity. They are doing the exact opposite of what Keynes recommended.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Maynard_Keynes

    In the 1930s, Keynes spearheaded a revolution in economic thinking, challenging the ideas of neoclassical economics that held that free markets would, in the short to medium term, automatically provide full employment, as long as workers were flexible in their wage demands. He instead argued that aggregate demand determined the overall level of economic activity and that inadequate aggregate demand could lead to prolonged periods of high unemployment. According to Keynesian economics, state intervention was necessary to moderate "boom and bust" cycles of economic activity.[7] Keynes advocated the use of fiscal and monetary policies to mitigate the adverse effects of economic recessions and depressions.

    Neoclassical economics, aka monetarist economics, is what was imposed on Russia during the 1990s. It is pure voodoo
    economics that only leads to economic decline and poverty. It is peddled by the west to weaken potential colonies so that
    they can dominate them.

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