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    Post  Werewolf Mon Sep 01, 2014 10:18 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:
    Austin wrote:Kick Russia Out Of SWIFT, UK Demands

    I know, I was reading this too.  Little they seem to know, is that they would be shooting themselves in the foot and forcing out the USD in future trades.

    The ironic thing about this current crisis is that these international entities purpose for Russia's entry in to these institutions was to make Russia weaker internally, and more dependent on neo-liberal financier cabals. By kicking Russia out they're actually doing Russia a favor, forcing Russia to be independent, Russia should now move to nationalize their central bank and start lending out 0% credit for internal consumption, and re-enacting capital and exchange controls to fight inflation.

    That is one big critic point on behalf of kreml that is under the private bank. One thing that is truelly to critize is that there were no real attempts to federalize the damn private status of the russian central bank which is also ankerd in the constitution and central banks private status agreement between Russia and the CB, that one for another can not stand and held responsible...meaning a true private bank status that they can not pay off, reduce or be bound even in war time to reduce the states debts,interests or whatever. There are lot of people in kreml who are on the payroll of the CB to prevent that and that is one factor the finance department,putin and organisations and responsibles for controlling of state loans and budgets have been critized for.

    IF they actualy manage to federalize it and change the constitution that would mean quite alot and make Russia almost immune to any actions during peace,cold war and hot war on financial side.
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    Post  Cyberspec Tue Sep 02, 2014 8:01 am

    Not sure if this has been posted already, but it's of HISTORIC significance...

    Arrow Putin breaks ground on Russia-China gas pipeline, world's biggest

    Russian Economy General News: #2 - Page 18 HNQa0LwoZak

    ...

    the most important bit...basically, the gas designated for European markets can be diverted to the Asian market....the delusional idiots in the EU have managed to lose their most important energy source

    “Once we create a gas pipeline network here in the Far East and Siberia, we will be able to connect European pipeline system to the East. And this, in terms of export opportunities and expanding Russia’s ‘gasification’, is very beneficial.

    Depending on the situation in world markets, we can more effectively implement gas flows- either more to the West or to the East,” Putin told students at North-Eastern Federal University earlier on Monday.

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    Post  dino00 Tue Sep 02, 2014 11:53 am

    Forecast for 2014-17 downgraded by Russian Economic Ministry

    http://in.rbth.com/economics/2014/09/02/forecast_for_2014-17_downgraded_by_russian_economic_ministry_37995.html
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    Post  sepheronx Tue Sep 02, 2014 2:51 pm

    dino00 wrote:Forecast for 2014-17 downgraded by Russian Economic Ministry

    http://in.rbth.com/economics/2014/09/02/forecast_for_2014-17_downgraded_by_russian_economic_ministry_37995.html

    Gah! I hate these so called experts. I have been hearing about Russia having to diversify economy since forever now. Hell Austin has been harping about it for years on mp.net and here.

    But, in all that time, how many posts have I mentioned with links, showing new factories producing more than oil and gas? A lot. Or how about the new agricultural businesses? A lot. I dont think these experts even read the news or follow sites that have listings of this development. As well, in same token they say that the sanctions and ukraine conflict will make it hard to diversify... are they for real? Did they not heard of import substitution? Let me help them: if you are forced to produce end product at home, then that means you are producing and end product that isnt oil and gas, which means you diversified your production/economy.

    Not federal governments fault that private central bank is causing issues.
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    Post  Werewolf Tue Sep 02, 2014 3:03 pm

    Believe only the statistics you make yourself.
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    Post  sepheronx Tue Sep 02, 2014 3:08 pm

    EU is treading on a fine line. They are gonna push Russias financial sector in new round of sanctions. I am surprised that Putin doesnt go on to state that trying to damage their economy is an act of war, and cornering a hurt animal will only make it agressive, like Germany prior to WW2. So let EU know that their methods will not be tolerated and they will be blamed for any conflicts in the future. As wrll, I would make it clear to them that what they are doing will only entice Russia to work against EU and work with their enemies like Iran.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Tue Sep 02, 2014 6:12 pm

    sepheronx wrote:
    dino00 wrote:Forecast for 2014-17 downgraded by Russian Economic Ministry

    http://in.rbth.com/economics/2014/09/02/forecast_for_2014-17_downgraded_by_russian_economic_ministry_37995.html

    Gah! I hate these so called experts. I have been hearing about Russia having to diversify economy since forever now. Hell Austin has been harping about it for years on mp.net and here.

    But, in all that time, how many posts have I mentioned with links, showing new factories producing more than oil and gas? A lot. Or how about the new agricultural businesses? A lot. I dont think these experts even read the news or follow sites that have listings of this development.  As well, in same token they say that the sanctions and ukraine conflict will make it hard to diversify... are they for real? Did they not heard of import substitution? Let me help them: if you are forced to produce end product at home, then that means you are producing and end product that isnt oil and gas, which means you diversified your production/economy.

    Not federal governments fault that private central bank is causing issues.


    It's been known for years that Russia is highly self-reliant (and sanctions will only help  Wink ), and has the ability to manufacture everything under the Sun and even has the sufficient amount of raw materials/natural resources to maintain that self-reliance for centuries.
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    Post  navyfield Tue Sep 02, 2014 8:43 pm

    Cyberspec wrote:Not sure if this has been posted already, but it's of HISTORIC significance...

    Arrow Putin breaks ground on Russia-China gas pipeline, world's biggest

    Russian Economy General News: #2 - Page 18 HNQa0LwoZak

    ...

    the most important bit...basically, the gas designated for European markets can be diverted to the Asian market....the delusional idiots in the EU have managed to lose their most important energy source

    “Once we create a gas pipeline network here in the Far East and Siberia, we will be able to connect European pipeline system to the East. And this, in terms of export opportunities and expanding Russia’s ‘gasification’, is very beneficial.

    Depending on the situation in world markets, we can more effectively implement gas flows- either more to the West or to the East,” Putin told students at North-Eastern Federal University earlier on Monday.


    that pipe doesnt look big ....
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    Post  Mike E Tue Sep 02, 2014 9:27 pm

    What do you expect? These pipes aren't built for transporting cargo for crying out loud...
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    Post  Mindstorm Tue Sep 02, 2014 9:31 pm

    http://kremlin.ru/news/46530

    ЧЖАН ГАОЛИ wrote:Хочу подчеркнуть, что китайская сторона категорически против санкций США и Запада в отношении России, против «цветных» революций, против попыток сдерживать развитие России. Я уже сказал господину Миллеру и господину Сечину, что мы будем делать всё от нас зависящее.

    Наше сотрудничество существенно расширяется, в том числе в торговле сельхозпродукцией
    .


    В.ПУТИН wrote:Что касается ограничений в торговле, в экономической деятельности, то в конечном итоге ущерб от этого будут нести прежде всего те, кто проводит такую политику. Надеюсь, что здравый смысл восторжествует, и мы все войдём в нормальный режим сотрудничества. Но это в значительной степени зависит от таких профессионалов, как Вы, и в Китае, и в России, и у наших партнёров.



    Enough said..... Cool


    The worse mistake someone can do in chess is to apply a know "move" taking into account only short terms, only apparent, advantageous exchange of pieces ; this stance work almost always against inexperienced or not proficient players but become suddenly the exact recipe for an assured defeat ,in the long run, against a master opponent....

    Incidentally, in the international theatre, that "long run" coincide also with a "then-days" expected sharp decrease of dollar's share in global trade exchanges, a sudden plummet of reserve gold value and the busting of the "shale oil/gas" bubble , partially already revealing itself in its cold volumetric figures and with effects ,both for the energetic and financiary sectors that will make appear the last recession ,triggered by the subprime lending, a true walk in the park for any nation with an high percentage of State Debt and an high rate of exposure for the effect of pasted unconventional and highly shortsighted measures of aid to theirs economies ....such as very massive quantitative easing operation by part of a certain institution Razz ....

    Who is aware to don't have much time before the natural evolution of the geopolitical events will drammatically demolish its position in the world, has always attempted (usually through an increase of aggressive and sabotating foreign policy)to change, for what possible , the status-quo to at least slow-down the process.

    That aggressiveness and the urge to change existing equilibrium ,through induced caos, can be hardly named a sign of strength.....instead it clearly show the exact contrary.

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    Post  dino00 Tue Sep 02, 2014 10:19 pm

    I realy hope Russia has better chess players than Brzezinski...
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    Post  Werewolf Tue Sep 02, 2014 10:49 pm

    Mindstorm wrote:http://kremlin.ru/news/46530

    ЧЖАН ГАОЛИ wrote:Хочу подчеркнуть, что китайская сторона категорически против санкций США и Запада в отношении России, против «цветных» революций, против попыток сдерживать развитие России. Я уже сказал господину Миллеру и господину Сечину, что мы будем делать всё от нас зависящее.

    Наше сотрудничество существенно расширяется, в том числе в торговле сельхозпродукцией
    .


    В.ПУТИН wrote:Что касается ограничений в торговле, в экономической деятельности, то в конечном итоге ущерб от этого будут нести прежде всего те, кто проводит такую политику. Надеюсь, что здравый смысл восторжествует, и мы все войдём в нормальный режим сотрудничества. Но это в значительной степени зависит от таких профессионалов, как Вы, и в Китае, и в России, и у наших партнёров.



    Enough said..... Cool


    The worse mistake someone can do in chess is to apply a know "move" taking into account only short terms, only apparent, advantageous exchange of pieces ; this stance work almost always against inexperienced or not proficient players but become suddenly the exact recipe for an assured defeat ,in the long run, against a master opponent....

    Incidentally, in the international theatre, that "long run" coincide also with a "then-days" expected sharp decrease of dollar's share in global trade exchanges, a sudden plummet of reserve gold value and the busting of the "shale oil/gas" bubble , partially already revealing itself in its cold volumetric figures and with effects ,both for the energetic and financiary sectors that will make appear the last recession ,triggered by the subprime lending, a true walk in the park for any nation with an high percentage of State Debt and an high rate of exposure for the effect of pasted unconventional and highly shortsighted measures of aid to theirs economies ....such as very massive quantitative easing operation by part of a certain institution  Razz ....

    Who is aware to don't have much time before the natural evolution of the geopolitical events will drammatically demolish its position in the world, has always attempted (usually through an increase of aggressive and sabotating foreign policy)to change, for what possible , the status-quo to at least slow-down the process.

    That aggressiveness and the urge to change existing equilibrium ,through induced caos, can be hardly named a sign of strength.....instead it clearly show the exact contrary.  


    Nice to see you posting in Political/Economical threads.
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    Post  Austin Thu Sep 04, 2014 12:51 pm

    Interview with Rosneft Chief Igor Sechin


    Rosneft President Igor Sechin: 'Russia Didn't Initiate the Ukraine Crisis'
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    Post  Mike E Thu Sep 04, 2014 10:54 pm

    One hour later the West will call him a "Putin Puppet"!
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    Post  AlfaT8 Mon Sep 08, 2014 2:29 am

    Russia’s Gazprom to fall under new EU capital ban – sources
    Russia's Gazprom Bank and oil producer Gazprom Neft will fall under new sanctions approved by the European Union on Friday, Reuters cited an EU diplomat as saying. The sanctions reportedly include a new ban on raising capital in the 28-nation bloc.

    The sanctions were agreed against Russia for its alleged role in the Ukrainian crisis, the diplomatic source said.

    According to The Financial Times, which managed to obtain a document outlining the sanctions, all Russian state-controlled companies with assets of more than one trillion rubles (US$27 billion) that receive more than half their revenue from “the sale or transportation of crude oil or petroleum products” will be hit by the ban.
    http://rt.com/business/185504-gazprom-sanctions-eu-ban/
    Sepheronx, all yours.
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    Post  sepheronx Mon Sep 08, 2014 2:56 am

    AlfaT8 wrote:
    Russia’s Gazprom to fall under new EU capital ban – sources
    Russia's Gazprom Bank and oil producer Gazprom Neft will fall under new sanctions approved by the European Union on Friday, Reuters cited an EU diplomat as saying. The sanctions reportedly include a new ban on raising capital in the 28-nation bloc.

    The sanctions were agreed against Russia for its alleged role in the Ukrainian crisis, the diplomatic source said.

    According to The Financial Times, which managed to obtain a document outlining the sanctions, all Russian state-controlled companies with assets of more than one trillion rubles (US$27 billion) that receive more than half their revenue from “the sale or transportation of crude oil or petroleum products” will be hit by the ban.
    http://rt.com/business/185504-gazprom-sanctions-eu-ban/
    Sepheronx, all yours.

    They are biting the hands that are keeping them warm, powered and capable of producing byproducts. In this case, Gazprom can obtain loans through its own bank and move investments elsewhere (growing nations are a better investor anyway). Gazprom has already moved its stock exchange listings to Singapore so gaining alternative capital wont be a major issue.
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    Post  sepheronx Mon Sep 08, 2014 3:13 am

    sepheronx wrote:
    AlfaT8 wrote:
    Russia’s Gazprom to fall under new EU capital ban – sources
    Russia's Gazprom Bank and oil producer Gazprom Neft will fall under new sanctions approved by the European Union on Friday, Reuters cited an EU diplomat as saying. The sanctions reportedly include a new ban on raising capital in the 28-nation bloc.

    The sanctions were agreed against Russia for its alleged role in the Ukrainian crisis, the diplomatic source said.

    According to The Financial Times, which managed to obtain a document outlining the sanctions, all Russian state-controlled companies with assets of more than one trillion rubles (US$27 billion) that receive more than half their revenue from “the sale or transportation of crude oil or petroleum products” will be hit by the ban.
    http://rt.com/business/185504-gazprom-sanctions-eu-ban/
    Sepheronx, all yours.

    They are biting the hands that are keeping them warm, powered and capable of producing byproducts. In this case, Gazprom can obtain loans through its own bank and move investments elsewhere (growing nations are a better investor anyway).  Gazprom has already moved its stock exchange listings to Singapore so gaining alternative capital wont be a major issue.

    You know who can get hurt from this? naftogaz, as Gazprom owns 50% of the company.  So effectively, Naftogaz will get hit and guess what? More money in Ukraine lost.  Thanks to EU masterminds.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-09-07/europe-goes-all-will-sanction-rosneft-gazprom-neft-and-transneft?page=1

    Zerohedge does not really go into the concept though that Russia could also obtain the funds through themselves ($500B in foreign reserves, which Russia is contemplating on pulling and moving it elsewhere/investing back at home, which will damage UK and US economy pretty badly too), and the fact that there is more than just China.  Japan, believe it or not is interested in Russian energy, same with India (whom they can get the capital from as well) and add in other Asian countries like South Korea and Indonesia.  All these countries more or less want energy as they are growing.  And this growth demands the energy needed and Russia is in over abundance.

    Then there is also the fact that Gazprom (and companies) and Rosneft will have to look into diversifying their industries in order to obtain more revenue. (Gazprombank is a great concept as they own a lot of assets).

    edit: that last part about the companies diversifying their business is grasping at straws. It is what could happen if worst comes to worst to obtain other capital. Which technically, would make sense since these companies are worth near or over $100B.
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    Post  sepheronx Mon Sep 08, 2014 4:40 am

    Man, I need to learn to read a little closer.

    This is ban on capital for Gazprombank working in these countries (so obtaining loans or possibly assets) and Gazprom Neft. So the oil backarm of Gazprom, the one that does not rely on EU.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Mon Sep 08, 2014 7:44 am

    sepheronx, lots of new Sino-Russian deals that are worth 10's of billions of USD, many include developing Russia's Far East:

    Rostec goes East

    State Corporation is actively developing joint projects with Chinese partners


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    China ranks fourth in terms of total cumulative investment in Russia (8.4% of the total capital invested in our country in 2013). In the structure of mutual export and import a significant share of engineering products, equipment and vehicles. Strategic cooperation with Chinese partners  - one of the most important activities Rosteha. Enterprises and holdings of the State Corporation actively develop joint projects with colleagues from China.

    In co-operation in the field of technology and dual-use civilian involved 14 holding companies and key organizations Rosteha: "Russian Helicopters", JDC, "Roselektronika", "Schwabe" KRET, United instrument-making corporation, "Aircraft Equipment" , "PT Himkompozit" "Stankoprom", "RT-Auto", "PT Global Resources" , "RT-Invest" , AVISMA, "Rosoboronexport" .

    Cooperation concerns the supply of helicopters, jointly developed electronic and optoelectronic products, titanium and aluminum semi-finished products, automotive engineering, the development of coal deposits in the Far East, the procurement of Chinese tires, the development of long-term heavy helicopter.

    China appreciates the Russian helicopters. Russian cars are widely exploited in this country.  In June 2014 "Russian Helicopters" completed supply 52 Mi-171E helicopters to China. This is the final game in the execution of the contract concluded "Rosoboronexport" in 2012. Mi-171E operated successfully in China in regions with difficult terrain and harsh climatic conditions. Machines deliver medicines, humanitarian supplies and construction materials. Holding "Helicopters of Russia" and the Ulan-Ude Aviation Plant have received many appreciative reviews for trouble-free operation of helicopters in the aftermath of emergencies.

    Civil multipurpose helicopter Ka-32A11BC production Arsenyev Aviation Company in fireproof version ensures security of the city of Ordos. In commercial helicopters operated by Sino-Russian Helicopter Technology Company Ltd, airline Citic General Aviation and many others.

    In June 2014 holding company "Helicopters of Russia" and the Chinese company Lectern Aviation Supplies have signed a contract for the supply of heavy transport helicopter Mi-26TC. Under the contract, the helicopter will be delivered in 2015. It will be used in the interests of forestry, Shandong Province. Now commercial companies in China operate three helicopters Mi-26TC. One Mi-26TC helicopter is in the park Qingdao Helicopter. Two more Mi-26TS uses Chinese Flying Dragon.

    Russian Economy General News: #2 - Page 18 Mi-26ts_020714_2

    Back in October 2008, the heads of the governments of Russia and China signed a memorandum of understanding on the development of heavy civilian helicopter AHL . We are actively continuing the negotiations and consultations on the draft experts "Helicopters of Russia" and the Chinese helicopter company Avicopter.

    United Engine Corporation (UEC) is collaborating with Chinese companies on various types of aircraft engines in the joint development and production of gas turbine units for natural gas pumping stations under construction in China pipelines.

    In August 2014 during the International Forum " Engineering Technologies - 2014 " signed an agreement on cooperation between the DCS and the Chinese company "Harbin Guanhan Gas Turbines» (HGGT) in the conversion of aircraft engine propulsion terrestrial applications for the energy, oil and gas industry. It provides for cooperation in the field of conversion engines D-30KU / KP in industrial gas turbine engines GTD-type 6RM and GTD-8RM, as well as looking for opportunities to sell them.

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    As part of the project for gasification of provinces in China can supply up to 80 gas turbines of 25 MW total cost of about $ 600 million. Cooperation is also possible in the creation of the engine for wide-body aircraft, engines for medium, light and heavy helicopters.

    In the aviation industry is developing partnerships with Chinese companies and the largest producer of titanium products AVISMA. Corporation supplies China titanium and aluminum semi-finished products for the aerospace, engine-building and other industries. One of the largest contracts for the sale of titanium and aluminum semi- AVISMA signed with AVIC Beijing , one of the branches of State Aviation Industry Corporation of China (AVIC).

    Signed an agency agreement is the fifth since the beginning of cooperation between the companies, it will be valid for three years - until May 2017.

    Another area of extensive cooperation between the two countries  - aircraft on-board systems and components for civil aviation.

    At the forum " Engineering Technologies 2014 " in Zhukovsky, a meeting of the Working Group on-board equipment of the Russian-Chinese subcommittee on cooperation in the field of civil aviation and civil aviation, which was attended by subsidiaries KRET : UKBP, NIIAO, CBSI, MIEA, EOKB " signal "and KPKB.

    Holding "Aircraft Equipment" plans to take part in a joint project between Russia and China on the establishment of wide-body aircraft. Holding ready to deliver products in a joint Russian-Chinese project.

    Not only air, but also road transport is in the zone of mutual interests.  AvtoVAZ interacts with several companies from China, such as Ling Long, Mahle China and Toyota Tsusho Corporation (supplier from around the Asian market, including China). They supply AvtoVAZ car tires, valves, motors and other parts for automobile production. AvtoVAZ is interested in establishing a close cooperation by Chinese companies, which will create a joint venture in Russia.

    Energy - a priority.  "PT Global Resources" in cooperation with Chinese corporation "Shenhua" will implement the project on joint development Ogodzhinsky coal deposit located in the Amur region (in 2019, it is planned coal production of 30 million tons per year), construction coal marine terminal "Port Faith" in the Primorsky Territory, the development of related industrial and logistics infrastructure and power generation.

    In turn, the "PT Himkompozit" developing cooperation in the field of technical upgrading of China's coke production, technology development of high-tech production of chemical products.

    State Research Institute of Chemistry and Technology of Organoelement Compounds, holding "PT Himkompozit" partnering with "Vinca", "Meilan" and others in the development of technology and the creation of production of organosilicon compounds. With technical assistance GNIICHTEOS over the past few years, China has built eight plants for the production of modern silicone products.

    The possibility of mutual deliveries of finished products and components, joint research and development, creation of joint ventures and industrial cooperation with Chinese companies "Roselektronika" , "Schwabe" Joint instrument-making corporation, "Stankopromom" .

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    Rosteh supports not only technological cooperation, but also a cultural exchange between the two countries . Goskorporatsiya assist in opening the National Art Museum of China exhibition of works by the People's Artist of Russia Vasily Nesterenko, titled "Russia: Past and Present." The opening was attended dignitaries from the Chinese side, and journalists, as well as Russian Ambassador Andrei Denisov in China and vice-chairman of China Association for International Friendly Contact Deng Rong. In a solemn ceremony on behalf of the State Corporation Rosteh the gift was handed over to China by Deng Xiaoping portrait, painted by the artist.

    http://rostec.ru/news/4514485
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    Post  Mike E Mon Sep 08, 2014 8:34 am

    Magnum, thanks for the info...

    Russia is collaborating with its neighbors more and more, and the West is oblivious to the fact that they are motivating Russia to do this further... It will be very interesting to see if they will come back to Russia and China etc...
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    Post  GarryB Mon Sep 08, 2014 11:19 am

    It will be very interesting to see if they will come back to Russia and China etc...

    It will be interesting if Russia lets them back...

    The US and west believe it is indispensable... I wonder if that was ever true?
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    Post  NickM Mon Sep 08, 2014 12:15 pm

    http://en.itar-tass.com/russia/748233


    Asians account for most of crimes committed in Russia — minister



    Russian Interior Minister Vladimir Kolokoltsev has declared Friday that citizens of the CIS states account for most of the crimes committed on the territory of Russia.

    "In the first half of this year the foreign citizens committed around 24,500 crimes on the territory of Russia; citizens of the CIS accounted for 86% of these crimes," the Russian minister said at conference of Interior ministers of the CIS states being held in Kyrgyzstan.

    The minister underlined the importance of consolidated state measures in the field of law enforcement and coordinated efforts for crime prevention. “Prevention of trans-national crime remains one of the most important tasks set forth to the Russian Interior Ministry," Kolokoltsev said.

    Kolokoltsev praised a proper level of cooperation between Russian law enforcement bodies and their colleagues from Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan and Kazakhstan “who are making joint efforts to cut short the activity of international terrorist and extremist organizations.”
    The Russian minister called on his CIS colleagues to keep under strict control search operations for suspects, wanted for crimes committed on the territory of adjoining states, as well as measures taken to establish the whereabouts of citizens reported missing.

    Kolokoltsev praised good results achieved in the first stage of a joint search operation "Rozysk" (search). "More than 4,500 citizens, who escaped from prosecution, have been detained on the Russian territory. The whereabouts of more than 2,200 people reported missing, have been established. The results of the joint operation have confirmed its effectiveness and the need to conduct such operations on a regular basis," he said.
    Commenting on the problem of border cooperation, Kolokoltsev said that more close cooperation was necessary, whereas in recent months such contacts had slightly narrowed. The minister praised cooperation between the Russian Interior Ministry and the Interior Ministry of Azerbaijan as a positive example.
    Taking part in the conference, held in Cholpon-Ata on September 4-6, are delegations from Azerbaijan, Armenia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Moldova, Russia, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan. No delegation from Ukraine arrived.
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    Post  GarryB Mon Sep 08, 2014 12:40 pm

    the west... the US in particular likes to use economics as a weapon.

    The current sanctions against Russia will be opening the eyes of many small countries who would have to cave under such sanctions and do as they are told.... perhaps a lesson not to become too deeply tied to the west in case they decide to use it against them.

    Fortunately now there are alternatives to the west and the more the countries explore their options the more useful and fruitful those other options will become...

    the west is shooting itself in the foot...
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    Post  sepheronx Mon Sep 08, 2014 9:29 pm

    http://www.naturalhomes.org/naturalliving/russian-dacha.htm

    This is a good link regarding about how much of homegrown food there is going on in Russia. This shows that Russians will more than likely never face the issues again of the 90's (bread lines and empty shelves.
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    Post  Mike E Mon Sep 08, 2014 9:32 pm

    GarryB wrote:the west... the US in particular likes to use economics as a weapon.

    The current sanctions against Russia will be opening the eyes of many small countries who would have to cave under such sanctions and do as they are told.... perhaps a lesson not to become too deeply tied to the west in case they decide to use it against them.

    Fortunately now there are alternatives to the west and the more the countries explore their options the more useful and fruitful those other options will become...

    the west is shooting itself in the foot...

    The West like to use economics as a weapon..... Against themselves!

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