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    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12

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    Post  Karl Haushofer on Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:19 pm

    Major general Vladimir Eremeev is among the dead.

    https://lenta.ru/news/2018/03/06/general_mo/
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    Post  gaurav on Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:22 pm

    Mini WW2 loss .. always Russia ..

    MAGA MAKE Antonov Great Again from Putin ..

    RECORD Breaking 27 Russian officers wiped out

    AN-26 crash

    At the An-26 in Syria, 27 Russian officers were killed, including Major-General - the Russian Defense Ministry
    03/06/2018 22:59:24
         *** There were no civilians on board
         
          (Added 4th paragraph)
         
          Moscow. March, 6. INTERFAX-AVN - In the wake of the An-26 crash in Syria, 27 officers, including a major general, were killed, the Russian Defense Ministry reported.
          "As a result of the tragedy, 27 officers were killed, one of them in the rank of Major-General, as well as ensigns and servicemen of the contract service," the Defense Ministry said.
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    Post  Karl Haushofer on Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:22 pm

    So what know? It appears that Russia paid a terrible price today for flying these outdated aircraft.

    Will Russia learn? And why is it that every time something catastrophic like this has to happen before action is taken?

    It happened in 1941 too. Stalin was at sleep while the Germany was invading USSR. His sleep cost USSR millions of lives.

    And now? Will the sleep continue after losing these officers?


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    Post  Karl Haushofer on Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:23 pm

    gaurav wrote:Mini WW2 loss .. always Russia ..

    MAGA MAKE Antonov Great Again from Putin ..

    RECORD Breaking 27 Russian officers wiped out

    AN-26 crash

    At the An-26 in Syria, 27 Russian officers were killed, including Major-General - the Russian Defense Ministry
    03/06/2018 22:59:24
         *** There were no civilians on board
         
          (Added 4th paragraph)
         
          Moscow. March, 6. INTERFAX-AVN - In the wake of the An-26 crash in Syria, 27 officers, including a major general, were killed, the Russian Defense Ministry reported.
          "As a result of the tragedy, 27 officers were killed, one of them in the rank of Major-General, as well as ensigns and servicemen of the contract service," the Defense Ministry said.

    Shoigu's head should roll.
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    Post  Karl Haushofer on Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:25 pm

    Russia's central bank is using its currency to buy US dollars instead of safe planes to Russian army.
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    Post  Vann7 on Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:26 pm

    Vladimir79 wrote:

    It clearly stalled out, the question is why?  



    Yep.. it was too slow.. that looks more like a pilot error..
    The plane was even far from the landing road. and in the wrong angle ? So either the pilot fall asleep ,
    or he mistakenly lower too much the speed .

    and in the last second the plane lose energy and collapse.. So it was not a manpad.. or a missile.
    Looks pretty much like Pilot error..  and Russia military that will need to retrain the pilots ,how to land
    in Syria airbase, Poor people inside..  The tower control , even when i dont know Russian , was yelling
    at the pilot what it seems to be ,you are too low or raise the nose .. or something of the like.  and
    the pilot did nothing.  So looks as if the pilot very amateur mistake..  perhaps the plane was too heavy
    with cargo and the pilot mistakenly lower the speed too much..and bang.

    People that have some experience with realistic simulations of planes flight , knows..that in landing ..
    there is a limit minimum speed ,that you can't cross to early. and if you go below it.. the Plane will lose control and fall like a Rock.  And this minimum speed for landing and angle of landing is not the same always ,depend on how
    heavy is the plane ,how much people and cargo ,if it is full or empty.  To save the plane he had to accelerate the plane dramatically and lift the nose to abort the landing and retry the landing from a correct angle..

    So is really rare ,why he didn't raise the nose.. when he was so far from the landing road. Maybe he was very inexperienced or controls got stuck and could not lift the plane angle. he could even saved people if he land on the wing first ,so it takes most of the impact. I have seen videos of 747 Boeign Pilots ,landing with all engines broken ,on its belly.. sliding and saving most people in the plane.. So this landing seemed as if the pilot fall asleep. Because
    he not even tried to save the plane.



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    Post  Karl Haushofer on Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:32 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:
    Karl Haushofer wrote:
    Vladimir79 wrote:
    gaurav wrote:
    MikeTerrible wrote:People here thinking it was shot down. Very stupid. Plus, iets a 30 year old antanov....

    Mann absolutely correct .
    Everyone is thinking it was shot down. no mann very old airframe .. almost fully spent aircraft
    still in active duty what do you expect . We need Russ gov to regularly check RDF for updates/policy guidance .Only then they will start spending on aviation platforms and get them on active duty in Russian army.

    It clearly stalled out, the question is why?  
    Why are Russian roads more dangerous than Finnish roads even when there is a similar climate in these countries? It's the mentality of people.

    Are they? How do you know? Which roads? From where?

    I also figure you never figured out the difference between Finland and Russia. Hint: size and population.

    Guarantee you there are more paved roads in Russia than Finland. Also guarantee you that those are also newely paved roads.

    Road fatalities per 100,000 vehicles per year:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-related_death_rate

    Russia: 53.4
    Finland: 4.4
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    Post  gaurav on Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:39 pm

    Aircraft should be capable enough to do what the pilot is trying to do even with overload ..(slight overload) ..
    This plane was just not responding to anything .. any pilot cmds ..it was falling like a rock from start ..
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    Post  Vann7 on Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:47 pm

    gaurav wrote:Aircraft should be capable enough to do what the pilot is trying to do even with overload ..(slight overload) ..
    This plane was just not responding to anything .. any pilot cmds ..it was falling like a rock from start ..

    if he manage to get close to the base.. it means the controls did worked.. and the pilot was in control of the plane.
    He simply enters in the wrong angle at the base and fly too slow. So looks like a real amateur mistake..because he does not do anything when told to lift the plane.. or maybe engines lost all power in the last few seconds..

    For now is clear it was not shot down as some believed.. which was not impossible ,knowing how hostile NATO is
    against Russia lately. it remains to be seen if it was pilot error as if look ,poor training.. or if plane lost all fuel about the time he was about to land.
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    Post  Neutrality on Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:54 pm

    The amount of verbal diarrhoea in this thread is crazy. Some guys here are complete loonies.

    "WW2 mini loss" , "Stalin was sleep while USSR was being invaded".

    If you need the proper medication, please seek your closest physician.
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    Post  JohninMK on Wed Mar 07, 2018 12:54 am

    The sad list. Heavy with mid level officers and NCOs (the guys who do the work) this looks like it could be most of some kind of command team, 5x Sen Lieut, 8x Captain, 6x Major, 1x Colonel, 1x Major General .

    Did it have the range to have come direct from Russia?

    Russia not wasting any time getting it out. Yandex translated, sorry if it got names wrong..

    RBC became known the names of most of the victims in the crash of An-26 in the terminal area Hamim in Syria. The authenticity of the list of personnel An-26 confirmed RBC three sources in the Ministry of defense. In total on the plane, according to the Ministry of defence, there were 39 people, at the moment the surnames of 31 victims are known.

    1. Major Smirnov S. G.
    2. Senior Lieutenant Safronov D. V.
    3. Senior Lieutenant of Panov M. A.
    4.Lieutenant Altunin K. N.
    5.Senior Lieutenant of Osipkin A. W.
    6. Sergeant Epifanov
    7. Major-General G. V. Eremeev
    8. Captain first rank A. M. Savchuk
    9. Captain first rank M. A. Moiseev
    10. Colonel S. V. Fedun
    11. Major Morozov A. L.
    12. Sergeant Glushkov, S. V.
    13. Warrant Officer Gregory M. A.
    14. Captain K. A. Gorban
    15. The Captain Of Aidarkhanov E. S.
    16. Junior Sergeant Belov A. I.
    17. Sergeant Z. M. Bogatyrev
    18. Major Macnev M. I.
    19. Captain Dusting AA
    20. Captain Sainciuc S. V.
    21. Major E. V. Chagin
    22. Lieutenant Grabowski S. V.
    23. Captain Trufanov A.V.
    24. Major Kukushkin D. I.
    25. Senior Lieutenant Shevchenko A. A.
    26. Corporal Kolomoitsev I. K.
    27. Major Mikryukov V. V.
    28. Captain of medical service, Rasputin N. B.
    29. Sergeant E. A. Seriynkov
    30. Junior Sergeant Chabdarov B. R.
    31. Senior Lieutenant of Levchuk G. S.

    Earlier, the defense Ministry said that among those killed in the plane crash in Syria was a major-General. Sources RBC reported that it was General-major Vladimir Eremeev. In addition, according to the TV channel "Tsargrad" major Smirnov was at the helm of the An-26.

    Antonov an-26 Russian VKS was wrecked on 6 March with landing at the airfield Hamim in the Syrian province of Latakia. The plane hit the ground, not reaching the runway about 500 m, reported the defense Ministry. All were on Board the aircraft were killed.

    More information on the RBC:
    https://www.rbc.ru/society/06/03/2018/5a9eebb59a794777455ebd1a
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    Post  JohninMK on Wed Mar 07, 2018 1:33 am

    A heads up.

    The video out there that has been purported to show this crash is actually from last year. So any conclusions drawn from it are not relevant here.

    There is no video of this crash yet seen.
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    Post  BKP on Wed Mar 07, 2018 1:44 am

    ^^ Good god. Okay, well, many may hate it stated plainly, but this a real f**kin' disaster. I am no hater. In fact, if anything, I'm a Russia supporter/borderline cheerleader. Russia has made very good progress in a lot of areas in recent years, but it now simply must get a better handle on passenger aircraft safety. Any way you cut it this comes up bad. If it's due to pilot error or inexperience, then why was such a pilot chosen to transport this officer-stacked cadre? Same applies if the plane is now too old or is just inherently unreliable. Same applies if it was poorly maintained. If they simply can't afford to significantly improve the situation right now, then why aren't groups like this broken into more flights to reduce risk? Why are such choices being made?? And, as I said, these things always seem to happen at particularly bad times. This just deflated the f**k out of me. Depressing.
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    Post  kvs on Wed Mar 07, 2018 1:57 am

    The risk of plane crashes is not zero. There is nothing to indicate that this was a "special case" crash. If Russia wants to avoid
    losing lots of key people, then it needs to spread the risk by flying them in stages or on different aircraft. I do not believe this
    crash is such an epic disaster as the people in this thread make it out to be. The whole command staff did not get obliterated.
    It is sad and tragic, but you takes your chances when you fly.

    I should remind people that most aircraft deaths are in western "high tech" aircraft.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Mar 07, 2018 2:27 am


    Was this "local" flight in Syria or were they coming in from Russia?

    If it was Syria then they have some excuse but if they were coming in all the way from Russia on this rust bucket then someone fucked up royally, they might as well start using crop dusters for moving officers around
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    Post  GarryB on Thu Mar 08, 2018 12:38 am

    For now is clear it was not shot down as some believed.. which was not impossible ,knowing how hostile NATO is
    against Russia lately. it remains to be seen if it was pilot error as if look ,poor training.. or if plane lost all fuel about the time he was about to land.

    You don't know how much I wish you had been the pilot Vann... you would have saved the day... or died trying like the actual pilot did.

    RIP to the crew and passengers, and apologies to any who are offended by the vulture trolls who use such tragedies to push their agenda that Russia should bankrupt herself and buy all new crash proof planes and vehicles and Putin needs to be replaced by someone less soft on Russias enemies like Uncle Joe Stalin...

    He would sort everyone out by killing half the population to make the other half behave... scratch that will save lives...
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    Post  franco on Sat Mar 10, 2018 9:33 pm

    555th air group of the Russian Air Force at the air base Khmeimim February 23, 2018

            28 combat aircraft of the Russian Federation Air Force in the photo on February 23, 2018: 7 Su-24M, 5 Su-25, 4 Su-30SM, 5 Su-34, 6 Su-35 and Su-57. 10 transport and special aircraft: 3 IL-76MD, 2 Tu-154M, IL-62, IL-22, A-50U, AN-72, AN-26 and 9 helicopters.

    First time I have seen a name for the Air Group at Khmeimim
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    Post  JohninMK on Sat Mar 10, 2018 10:20 pm

    franco wrote:555th air group of the Russian Air Force at the air base Khmeimim February 23, 2018

            28 combat aircraft of the Russian Federation Air Force in the photo on February 23, 2018: 7 Su-24M, 5 Su-25, 4 Su-30SM, 5 Su-34, 6 Su-35 and Su-57. 10 transport and special aircraft: 3 IL-76MD, 2 Tu-154M, IL-62, IL-22, A-50U, AN-72, AN-26 and 9 helicopters.

    First time I have seen a name for the Air Group at Khmeimim

    A snapshot on who was there on the 23rd Feb. Plenty of empty but clearly in use stands on the aprons.

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    Post  Cyberspec on Sun Mar 11, 2018 10:27 am

    Another drone attack reported....this time it seems only a single armed drone which was shot down on approach

    http://www.iarex.ru/news/56411.html?utm_source=warfiles.ru
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    Post  JohninMK on Sun Mar 11, 2018 4:49 pm

    Very interesting piece of gear at an unusual location. Is this anti IAF? If so is a Tor around the corner?


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    9S932-1 intelligence and control module / 1L122-1E radar. (Probably inside Al-Dumayr AB).


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    Post  JohninMK on Sun Mar 11, 2018 4:51 pm

    Looks direct from the factory and straight off the boat!


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    5th Corps 9P138 / ZIL-131, E. #Ghouta.


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    Post  Cyberspec on Sun Mar 11, 2018 10:43 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Very interesting piece of gear at an unusual location. Is this anti IAF?

    I'd say so. If I remeber correctly the base was targeted back in Feb. The pro-gov sources were reporting the downing of several missiles/bombs


    If so is a Tor around the corner?

    interesting....hard to say for sure
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    Post  medo on Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:27 am

    JohninMK wrote:Very interesting piece of gear at an unusual location. Is this anti IAF? If so is a Tor around the corner?


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    9S932-1 intelligence and control module / 1L122-1E radar. (Probably inside Al-Dumayr AB).


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    This one looks like Barnaul-T command complex and it usually work with MANPADs. Most probably they install there some Igla-S with some goodies on it like night sights, electronic planshetes, etc to effectively use them.
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    Post  calm on Mon Mar 12, 2018 11:21 am

    Rough reconstruction of SSO battle with IS on Uqayribat front, for which Denis P. was awarded with medal(Hero of Ru) by Putin last year.
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    Post  ultimatewarrior on Mon Mar 12, 2018 2:36 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Looks direct from the factory and straight off the boat!


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    5th Corps 9P138 / ZIL-131, E. #Ghouta.


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    Isn't 9P138 36 barrels? I count 40 barrels on this one.

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