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We have seen a variety of "second hand" vehicles for SAA with VDV markings in the past. I think at least some of these markings are not authentic.
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Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #11
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We have seen a variety of "second hand" vehicles for SAA with VDV markings in the past. I think at least some of these markings are not authentic.
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Would VDV, I assume Russian airborne troops from the sign, have this gear?0nillie0 wrote:JohninMK wrote:Battered and used gear. What's the sign on the door?
We have seen a variety of "second hand" vehicles for SAA with VDV markings in the past. I think at least some of these markings are not authentic.
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Fuel tankers being the prime targets.
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JohninMK wrote:Would VDV, I assume Russian airborne troops from the sign, have this gear?0nillie0 wrote:JohninMK wrote:Battered and used gear. What's the sign on the door?
We have seen a variety of "second hand" vehicles for SAA with VDV markings in the past. I think at least some of these markings are not authentic.
No, too heavy.
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Normally I would agree that such vehicles would be too heavy for the VDV, but in Afghanistan the VDV did use some heavier vehicles from memory, including upgraded BMP-2Es because of their better protection and the fact that they did not perform any air assaults with armour except the initial attack in 1979.
Actually to be honest I have not read that much about their operations in Afghanistan... did they have heliborne formations... I don't honestly know.
Actually to be honest I have not read that much about their operations in Afghanistan... did they have heliborne formations... I don't honestly know.
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GarryB wrote:Normally I would agree that such vehicles would be too heavy for the VDV, but in Afghanistan the VDV did use some heavier vehicles from memory, including upgraded BMP-2Es because of their better protection and the fact that they did not perform any air assaults with armour except the initial attack in 1979.
Actually to be honest I have not read that much about their operations in Afghanistan... did they have heliborne formations... I don't honestly know.
They used heliborne but nothing heavier then a Mi-8 to my knowledge. The Mi-26 was developed for this but it only can carry 20t while that Smerch is 44t. Not even sure if either system was used in Afghanistan.
PS; see you elsewhere still trying to educate the masses
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What I meant was that for airborne operations they need air portable vehicles and equipment, but when they are operating in theatre like Afghanistan, or in this case Syria they often use whatever equipment is there including heavy stuff that could never be air dropped by any means.
I remember seeing BMP-2Es with VDV markings in Afghanistan and I also vaguely remember seeing T-62s with extra armour and VDV symbols in photos that could not and would not be air dropped and would not normally form part of VDV equipment... but as they didn't use their air mobility heavier vehicles were clearly used on occasion.
Just to be clear...
I remember seeing BMP-2Es with VDV markings in Afghanistan and I also vaguely remember seeing T-62s with extra armour and VDV symbols in photos that could not and would not be air dropped and would not normally form part of VDV equipment... but as they didn't use their air mobility heavier vehicles were clearly used on occasion.
Just to be clear...
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GarryB wrote:What I meant was that for airborne operations they need air portable vehicles and equipment, but when they are operating in theatre like Afghanistan, or in this case Syria they often use whatever equipment is there including heavy stuff that could never be air dropped by any means.
I remember seeing BMP-2Es with VDV markings in Afghanistan and I also vaguely remember seeing T-62s with extra armour and VDV symbols in photos that could not and would not be air dropped and would not normally form part of VDV equipment... but as they didn't use their air mobility heavier vehicles were clearly used on occasion.
Just to be clear...
Maybe off topic, but...
Actually, VDV is consisted of two types of units/formations, airborne and airmobile.
Airborne units are airdropped, they employ paratroopers and BMDs and BTR-Ds, 2S9 Nonas, 2S25 Sprut-SDs and so on, while airmobile units are not airdropped, they are more like regular mechanized infantry units, but they are deployed to combat zones by the use of different air mobility assets like transport helicopters/aircraft, thus they can use heavier equipment like T-72 tanks and BMPs.
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De-escalation zones to be set up in Homs, East Ghouta, and Idlib – MoD
BEIRUT, LEBANON (8:40 P.M.) – Head of the Main Operational Department of the Russian General Staff Sergei Rudskoi stated that several new de-escalation zones were set to be fully introduced in the future, speaking from a press briefing at the Russian Defence Ministry, in Moscow, Monday.
Rudskoi said that the boundaries of in the zones “to the north of the city of Homs and in the region of East Ghouta” had been defined during the consultations, with the specifications of the a similar zones in Idlib province underway.
He added that in July alone, “Over 2,000 militants were neutralised as well as about 20 tanks and infantry fighting vehicles, more than 40 pickup trucks with large-calibre machine and anti-aircraft guns were destroyed.”
Commenting on the Syrian government forces progress, Rudskoi noted that SAA “took control over the Syrian-Jordanian border in the provinces of Essaouira and Damascus,” adding that “6,500 square kilometres of territory to the east of the ez Zelaf have been cleared of militants.”
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https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/de-escalation-zones-set-homs-east-ghouta-idlib-mod/
BEIRUT, LEBANON (8:40 P.M.) – Head of the Main Operational Department of the Russian General Staff Sergei Rudskoi stated that several new de-escalation zones were set to be fully introduced in the future, speaking from a press briefing at the Russian Defence Ministry, in Moscow, Monday.
Rudskoi said that the boundaries of in the zones “to the north of the city of Homs and in the region of East Ghouta” had been defined during the consultations, with the specifications of the a similar zones in Idlib province underway.
He added that in July alone, “Over 2,000 militants were neutralised as well as about 20 tanks and infantry fighting vehicles, more than 40 pickup trucks with large-calibre machine and anti-aircraft guns were destroyed.”
Commenting on the Syrian government forces progress, Rudskoi noted that SAA “took control over the Syrian-Jordanian border in the provinces of Essaouira and Damascus,” adding that “6,500 square kilometres of territory to the east of the ez Zelaf have been cleared of militants.”
Source:
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/de-escalation-zones-set-homs-east-ghouta-idlib-mod/
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Two new maps of Syria and who controls what territory. First map is when the Russians arrived and the last map is today.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFhDdYmWAAAwQO6.jpg
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Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #11
PapaDragon Tue Jul 25, 2017 12:06 am
Your post is more descriptive this way. And really drives the point home:
franco wrote:Two new maps of Syria and who controls what territory. First map is when the Russians arrived and the last map is today.
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Yeah, some Russian quagmire it turned out to be.
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Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #11
miketheterrible Tue Jul 25, 2017 3:23 am
kvs wrote:Yeah, some Russian quagmire it turned out to be.
I've noticed online the lack of the comments on the people harping about "Afghanistan 2.0" for Russia. Guess they couldn't figure out why Russia was so successful here.
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Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #11
Walther von Oldenburg Wed Jul 26, 2017 10:13 pm
Was there really so little territory under SAA control? The pocket in Homs in particular looks too large.
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Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Was there really so little territory under SAA control? The pocket in Homs in particular looks too large.
The West was anticipating Syria would fall by New Years as the Government forces were on the ropes. I too have also read that 19,000 km2 was under Government control when the Russians arrived. No matter how you cut it, quite a change.
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Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Was there really so little territory under SAA control? The pocket in Homs in particular looks too large.
No, both maps are wrong.
On that new map, there are no rebel pocket in Qalamoun, Manbij is in SAA hands SAA is in Afrin, east Daara is wrong, no IS/Nusra pockets on Lebanon border. Suwaida is wrong too. They just draw those maps like that....
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calm wrote:Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Was there really so little territory under SAA control? The pocket in Homs in particular looks too large.
No, both maps are wrong.
On that new map, there are no rebel pocket in Qalamoun, Manbij is in SAA hands SAA is in Afrin, east Daara is wrong, no IS/Nusra pockets on Lebanon border. Suwaida is wrong too. They just draw those maps like that....
But you are wrong for insinuating that the territorial gains by the SAA between September 2015 and July 2017 are not even worth mentioning.
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I have posted multiple maps of SAA gains in past 2 years. In my post above i wasn't insinuating anything.
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Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #11
JohninMK Thu Jul 27, 2017 11:34 am
Had to happen!
RussianDefence.com @Russian_Defence 8h8 hours ago
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To scrutinise heavy platform in real combat, with UBP #Armata in mind, #Russia is to apparently send BMO-T to #Syria http://vestnik-rm.ru/news-4-20773.htm …
RussianDefence.com @Russian_Defence 8h8 hours ago
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To scrutinise heavy platform in real combat, with UBP #Armata in mind, #Russia is to apparently send BMO-T to #Syria http://vestnik-rm.ru/news-4-20773.htm …
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Tartous
that is a lot of ammunition on that satellite image
that is a lot of ammunition on that satellite image
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Tartous : Russian warships, submarines and destroyers reach the coast of Tartus for maneuvers in 30/7
what are they doing? Navy parade in Syria?
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KiloGolf wrote:
Tartous : Russian warships, submarines and destroyers reach the coast of Tartus for maneuvers in 30/7
what are they doing? Navy parade in Syria?
[/quote]Almost certainly a parade, like St Petersburg
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Almost certainly a parade, like St Petersburg[/quote]JohninMK wrote:KiloGolf wrote:
Tartous : Russian warships, submarines and destroyers reach the coast of Tartus for maneuvers in 30/7
what are they doing? Navy parade in Syria?
This can only mean one thing, Tartous will become a proper Naval Base
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