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Bulgarian pilot in Mig 29 (R-60) vs F-16 block 50 (AIM 9X). Winner : Mig 29
Bulgarian pilot in Mig 29 (R-60) vs F-16 block 50 (AIM 9X). Winner : Mig 29
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MiG-29 vs F-16/F-15
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Here’s why the MiG-29 could defeat the best western fighters in close air combat, despite its limitations
As Koeck recalls “Inside ten nautical miles I’m hard to defeat, and with the IRST, helmet sight and ‘Archer’ (which is the NATO designation for the R-73 missile) I can’t be beaten. Even against the latest Block 50 F-16s the MiG-29 is virtually invulnerable in the close-in scenario. On one occasion I remember the F-16s did score some kills eventually, but only after taking 18 ‘Archers’ (Just as we might seldom have got close-in if they used their AMRAAMs BVR!) They couldn’t believe it at the debrief, they got up and left the room!”
Moreover with a 28 deg/sec instantaneous turn rate (compared to the Block 50 F-16’s 26 deg) the MiG-29 could out-turn them: in fact the Fulcrum retained an edge over its adversaries thanks to its unmatched agility which was reached combining an advanced aerodynamics with an old-fashioned mechanical control system.
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Mig-29 and Indian AirForce
http://bharatrakshak.wikia.com/wiki/MiG-29
http://bharatrakshak.wikia.com/wiki/MiG-29
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Thx very much for this useful news. In fact the duel between Mig-29 and F-15/F-16/F-18 is pointless, as the Mig-29 was always ahead regarding dogfights, it is useful to add the myth of BVR is senseless, then the WVR still prevail in aerial combats, then manoeuvrability is a critical issue. Against the F-16, the last versions of Mig-21 could be enough. Do not forget that Syrian Mig-21 bis downed successfully several israeli F-16 A that is more manoeuvrable than F-16C.Austin wrote:Mig-29 and Indian AirForce
http://bharatrakshak.wikia.com/wiki/MiG-29
In 1991 to down few iraqi Mig-29, US had to outnumbered Iraqi air force, meanwhile many US aircrafts were likely downed by iraqi air force. In Serbia, most of the Mig-29 during 1999 were unable to fly because of lack of spare parts, lack of training pilots*, and lack of funds, US had to outnumbered serbian air force too.
But the Mig-29 could be challenged by the following aircrafts : EAF Typhoon, Saab Grippen, and the french Dassault Rafale.
With instantaneous turn rate at 28°deg, I wonder whether the Mig-29 is enough to challenge the F-22. The F-22's instantaneous turn rate is 28°deg too, hence with its upgrade avionic Mig-29 could still nowadays be a redoubtable challenger for the F-22.
*Serbia did not lack of very competent and skill pilots, but the context in that period, high serbian responsibles did not invest into training their pilots. Serbian pilots did have only few hours of training per year, if I remember 20 hours/year. At this step U could not ask a pilot to do miracles, meanwhile US fought serbian air force in optimal conditions. Hence it is easy to pretend that their flying crates aka the F-15, F-16 or F-18 to be superior than the Mig-29.
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Most of that information is about MiG-29SMT or downgraded german MiG-29.
MiG-29M2 and MiG-35 would take things to a much greater challenge level for opponents and opposition...
MiG-29M2 and MiG-35 would take things to a much greater challenge level for opponents and opposition...
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To GarryB.
Nevertheless still redoubtable, still among the best fighters in the world.GarryB wrote:Most of that information is about MiG-29SMT or downgraded german MiG-29.
As this information is still classified it would be interesting to know the Instantaneous Turn Rate of the Mig-35. I know that the F-22 would not exceed 28° degres, and even the less manoeuvrable F-15 managed to take out the Raptor in exercises, what would be the result with an opponent aircraft as the Mig-29 ? I know that the SU-30's ITR is around 35° degres making this aircraft the most manoeuvrable aircraft in the world. Nevetheless, in my view, the Mig-35's ITR would be better.GarryB wrote:
MiG-29M2 and MiG-35 would take things to a much greater challenge level for opponents and opposition...
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Austin wrote:JANES: Airshow China 2016: Russia unveils new AESA radar for MiG-35 fighter
http://www.janes.com/article/65271/airshow-china-2016-russia-unveils-new-aesa-radar-for-mig-35-fighter
Russia's Fazotron-NIIR Corporation (a subsidiary of the KRET Concern) has developed a new active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar for the Mikoyan MiG-29/35 ('Fulcrum') multirole fighter.
The radar, the Zhuk-AMEh, was unveiled at the Airshow China 2016 aerospace exhibition, held in Zhunhai from 1 to 6 November.
The Zhuk-AMEh can track up to 30 targets and can simultaneously attack up to six aerial and four ground targets, a Russian defence industry source told IHS Jane's at Airshow China.
"The jam-resistant radar works even in the harshest climatic conditions and contested areas. The Zhuk-AMEh can detect enemy targets in air-to-air and air-to-ground modes synchronically, identify and track both single and group targets, attack several objects with high-precision munitions, transfer acquired data to other aircraft, and conduct electronic warfare," the source said.
"The receivers and transmitters of the Zhuk-AMEh have been manufactured by LTCC [low-temperature co-fired ceramic] technologies," the source continued, adding, "They are installed on lightweight ceramic plates that allow the AESA a width reduction of 10 cm [with power sources and control elements]. The radar is comprised of three units, namely the AESA radar, a processing unit, and a composer."
The capabilities of the Zhuk-AMEh have been improved by 50% compared with previously developed variants of the Zhuk radar. "At present, a MiG-29 fighter can detect an aerial target at 180 km," the source said, "while the Zhuk-AMEh increases this range to 260 km."
The source added that the new radar weighs about 100 kg and has received a certificate that enables it to be exported.
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Now they outclass F-15s and F-16. Hope they will adapt PakFa's missiles for the mig-35. I've read the new izdeliye 180 will have 200 km range. The 260km estimation is for 3-5m² rcs target, F-15's RCS is 15-20m², so they could use them at their max potential. If they could put the Meteor for export version it will give a terrible aircraft.
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Isos wrote:Now they outclass F-15s and F-16.
Probably not the former. USAF Eagles and Strike Eagles are getting RMP right now.
I wouldn't dismiss AN/APG-82(V)1 like that.
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Probably not one nor the other would be decisive at all, the hype about the type of radar antenna a plane got is a typical idola fori to say it in Francis Bacon's term.KiloGolf wrote:Isos wrote:Now they outclass F-15s and F-16.
Probably not the former. USAF Eagles and Strike Eagles are getting RMP right now.
I wouldn't dismiss AN/APG-82(V)1 like that.
F-15 has bigger radar than Fulcrums and smaller than Flankers and Foxhound, as soon as they both keep the pace in their respective upgrades equation wouldn' t change so much.
In the other hand, F-15C frames are all very, very old and the same could be said of the 90% of F-15E in US service while the Mig-35 are still to be produced.
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As far as I am aware the new R-37M or RVV-BD in the export designation are to be used on all new Russian fighter and interceptor aircraft... so PAK FA, Su-35 and MiG-35.
A 280km range AAM able to engage 9g targets would be a potent weapon against enemy forces... particularly AWACS and tanker aircraft as well as troop transports and JSTARS like aircraft...
A 280km range AAM able to engage 9g targets would be a potent weapon against enemy forces... particularly AWACS and tanker aircraft as well as troop transports and JSTARS like aircraft...
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marcellogo wrote:Probably not one nor the other would be decisive at all, the hype about the type of radar antenna a plane got is a typical idola fori to say it in Francis Bacon's term.KiloGolf wrote:Isos wrote:Now they outclass F-15s and F-16.
Probably not the former. USAF Eagles and Strike Eagles are getting RMP right now.
I wouldn't dismiss AN/APG-82(V)1 like that.
F-15 has bigger radar than Fulcrums and smaller than Flankers and Foxhound, as soon as they both keep the pace in their respective upgrades equation wouldn' t change so much.
In the other hand, F-15C frames are all very, very old and the same could be said of the 90% of F-15E in US service while the Mig-35 are still to be produced.
Cs will serve into 2030s, and Es into 2040s tho. Cs were produced, at least these still around, from 1982-1985, which ends up being more or less similar to the age of many Su-24s, Su-27s and MiG-31s around.
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marcellogo wrote:Probably not one nor the other would be decisive at all, the hype about the type of radar antenna a plane got is a typical idola fori to say it in Francis Bacon's term.KiloGolf wrote:Isos wrote:Now they outclass F-15s and F-16.
Probably not the former. USAF Eagles and Strike Eagles are getting RMP right now.
I wouldn't dismiss AN/APG-82(V)1 like that.
F-15 has bigger radar than Fulcrums and smaller than Flankers and Foxhound, as soon as they both keep the pace in their respective upgrades equation wouldn' t change so much.
In the other hand, F-15C frames are all very, very old and the same could be said of the 90% of F-15E in US service while the Mig-35 are still to be produced.
Yes but their RCS is huge. Mig achieved a big reduction of the rcs on the Mig-35 compared to the mig-29. So their capabilities are pretty much the same if they are opposed. High speed High altitude, they will detect each other at longer distances than their missile's range. So the first to shoot is the one with the missiles which have longer range.
R-37M is a very big missile, I don't think Mig-35 could carry lot of them ... However they can target fighters, it wasn't the case of the R-33 I think.
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The MiG-35 has been pictured in models with 2,000ltr fuel tanks and 1,500kg bombs so an AAM that might be 600 or 700kgs should not be too big a problem.
Most photos I have seen of advanced MiGs often show an R-27ER or R-27ET on the inner pylon as a longer range missile plus R-77s and R-73s so i suspect the R-33M might go on the inner pylon for use against important long range targets like AWACS or JSTARS...
Most photos I have seen of advanced MiGs often show an R-27ER or R-27ET on the inner pylon as a longer range missile plus R-77s and R-73s so i suspect the R-33M might go on the inner pylon for use against important long range targets like AWACS or JSTARS...