Russian Navy: Status & News #3

wilhelm wrote:First of all, Singapore and Taiwan both operate variants of the La Fayette Class, as does France. None of these are "Gulf navies

GarryB wrote:Russia should impose extra sanctions on those countries that put pressure on Spain... Spain has already lost fees of profit on fuel and Sailors spending money in their ports.

Perhaps Russia should double overflight fees for European airlines crossing their airspace to Asia...

2) why but why again 100mm if Russia  already is using 76mm and 57mm on light ships?

100mm guns offer far more in terms of range and effect on target and are useful against a much wider range of targets than any 76mm gun.

In terms of ammo you can have a much wider variety of rounds for the larger calibre... including EMP rounds and guided rounds and air burst rounds to defeat incoming Anti ship missiles and other threats.

An EMP round would be a useful way of dealing with a large number of incoming subsonic anti ship missiles for instance.

par far wrote:

GarryB wrote:Russia should impose extra sanctions on those countries that put pressure on Spain... Spain has already lost fees of profit on fuel and Sailors spending money in their ports.

Perhaps Russia should double overflight fees for European airlines crossing their airspace to Asia...

2) why but why again 100mm if Russia  already is using 76mm and 57mm on light ships?

100mm guns offer far more in terms of range and effect on target and are useful against a much wider range of targets than any 76mm gun.

In terms of ammo you can have a much wider variety of rounds for the larger calibre... including EMP rounds and guided rounds and air burst rounds to defeat incoming Anti ship missiles and other threats.

An EMP round would be a useful way of dealing with a large number of incoming subsonic anti ship missiles for instance.

Malta has done the same, hopefully Russia is taking names of these countries.


http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20161027/local/no-russian-warship-will-be-refuelled-in-malta.629234

Skandalwitwe wrote:Problem is Russia asked neither Spain nor Malta...who cares about that drought-ridden rocklets.

franco wrote:A look at the new 20386 Corvettes;

https://thaimilitaryandasianregion.wordpress.com/2016/07/01/project-20386-small-patrol-ships-corvettes/

According to this article 16 Redut SAM, 8 Uran ShSM and 8 Club-K ShSM or SSM missiles. And size wise at 3500 t, is almost as big as the 11356 and only 1000 t less then the 22350. If so explains the lack of further orders for the 22350 and not bothering to finish the 11356 with Russian engines.

franco wrote:A look at the new 20386 Corvettes;

https://thaimilitaryandasianregion.wordpress.com/2016/07/01/project-20386-small-patrol-ships-corvettes/

According to this article 16 Redut SAM, 8 Uran ShSM and 8 Club-K ShSM or SSM missiles. And size wise at 3500 t, is almost as big as the 11356 and only 1000 t less then the 22350. If so explains the lack of further orders for the 22350 and not bothering to finish the 11356 with Russian engines.

PapaDragon wrote:

franco wrote:A look at the new 20386 Corvettes;

https://thaimilitaryandasianregion.wordpress.com/2016/07/01/project-20386-small-patrol-ships-corvettes/

According to this article 16 Redut SAM, 8 Uran ShSM and 8 Club-K ShSM or SSM missiles. And size wise at 3500 t, is almost as big as the 11356 and only 1000 t less then the 22350. If so explains the lack of further orders for the 22350 and not bothering to finish the 11356 with Russian engines.

That article is quite obsolete. (good pics though)

At most they can fit on Club-K container.

Lack of orders for 22350 is due to engines, they will simply not be ready for couple of more years. They just completed testing stand for turbines.

11356 is sold to Indians because by the time they are done they might as well move on to 22350 (I still disagree with this sale)

Engines for 20380/20385/20386 on the other hand are, as of recently, available from local source. Hence the orders for this ship.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:

franco wrote:.

That article is quite obsolete. (good pics though)

At most they can fit one Club-K container.

Lack of orders for 22350 is due to engines, they will simply not be ready for couple of more years. They just completed testing stand for turbines.

11356 is sold to Indians because by the time they are done they might as well move on to 22350 (I still disagree with this sale)

Engines for 20380/20385/20386 on the other hand are, as of recently, available from local source. Hence the orders for this ship.

The deal you speak of has to do with different ships no?. They will build 2 more locally for India and 2 within India.

PapaDragon wrote:


I don't know really. They did say that engines for Indian ships will be built in Russia. They were pretty specific about it actually, so that is new.

JohninMK wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:


I don't know really. They did say that engines for Indian ships will be built in Russia. They were pretty specific about it actually, so that is new.

At the time there was an announcement that India and Ukraine were 'comfortable' doing a deal where Ukraine supplied the engines for the first two for certain and I assume probably the two Indian built ships as well.

"Earlier today, at 06:50 on November 9 the search and attack group consisting of anti-submarine ships The Severomorsk and The Vice-Admiral Kulakov spotted a diesel submarine of the Dutch Navy (presumably Walrus), which was trying to approach the Northern Fleet’s aircraft carrier group for surveillance purposes."
Northern Fleet's anti-submarine ships forced the submarine to leave the area where Russia's Admiral Kuznetsov aircraft carrier was at the moment.
"The crews of two anti-submarine ships, The Severomorsk and The Vice-Admiral Kulakov, easily identified the submarine that was 20 kilometers away using the standard onboard hydroacoustics systems and data obtained from anti-submarine helicopters Ka-27 PL. Despite the submarine’s attempts to evade surveillance a stable hydroacoustic contact was established with it. The ships kept track of the submarine for more than an hour and forced it to leave the area of the aircraft carrier-led group," Konashenkov said.
According to the ministry, the submarine's maneuvers in the Mediterranean were dangerous and could have led to grave navigation consequences.
"The clumsy attempts to carry out dangerous maneuvers in the direct proximity of the Russian group of warships could have led to grave navigation consequences," he said.
The ministry official also said the Russian Navy’s aircraft carrier group regularly discovered NATO’s submarines on its way to the Mediterranean.
"Throughout its voyage, a Northern Fleet detachment regularly discovered NATO’s submarines along the route. Actions by USS Virginia, which was trying to spy on the Russian vessels, were recorded in early November," Konashenkov said.
"It is noteworthy that these large-displacement submarines are not meant for conducting surveillance," he noted.

Probably the main reason they have been taking their time... they have likely been listening for NATO all the way