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    Yak-152 Trainer Aircraft

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Mon May 29, 2023 2:41 pm

    As far as I could understand neither klimov nor kamov or the manufacturer of the Kazan Ansat were anymore interested in the turboshaft version of the VK-800. Possibly also because it was a lot oversized for both the Kazan Ansat and the Ka-226.

    I see that engine more of interest for an unmanned aircraft however.

    The baikal is also smaller than the An-2,so the Vk-800 is perfect for it (and also for the new twin to replace the L-410).

    By the way, 2 years ago they were also speaking about the prototype of the UTS-800, another potential aircraft trainer, that would have been powered by one VK-800 turboprop engine.

    https://vpk.name/en/535763_demonstration-of-a-promising-uts-800-training-aircraft-at-the-army-2021-forum.html

    I do not know if both yak-152 and UTS-800 make sense.

    Probably that had been discussed because of the problems with the diesel engine of the yak-152 and the lack (at that time) of a smaller turboprop that could be used on it.

    What Russia needs now is not 2 basic trainers, but an intermediate trainer with a single engine turbofan, to be used after the yak-152 and before the yak-130.

    Basically an equivalent of the L-39 or or the Italian M-345 (Which is used as intermediate trainer before the Italian pilots go on the M-346 (the Italian copy/parallel development of the Yak-130).

    GarryM wrote:The VK-1600V is for the Ka-62...


    Yes, the 1400 hp VK-1600V (takeoff power, with up to 1750 hp in emergency mode) is for the Ka-62, replacing the French engines.
    Furthermore as posted in the other thread there is also a turboprop version planned and in the official presentation from 2 years ago also the plans for a 1200 hp derated version of the turboprop VK-1600S (to replace the 1100 hp Honeywell turboprop used on the SibNIA An-2 modernisation) were shown.

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    Post  lancelot Mon May 29, 2023 7:22 pm

    There is a design. The KB SAT SR-10. The Russian government just needs to give them an AL-55 engine so they can modify the prototype so the design can use that engine instead of the obsolete AL-25 it currently uses. And fund its serial production.
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Mon May 29, 2023 8:27 pm

    lancelot wrote:There is a design. The KB SAT SR-10. The Russian government just needs to give them an AL-55 engine so they can modify the prototype so the design can use that engine instead of the obsolete AL-25 it currently uses. And fund its serial production.

    Yeah but till now no news.

    Last November (2022) Maxim Mironov, General Director of the Modern Aviation Technologies Design Bureau (SAT), announced that the SR-10 aircraft project was frozen but that they only wait a managerial decision in order to prepare the aircraft for serial productions and that they could do that in about a year (well it did not mention it, but of course this is as long as Saturn provides them with the engine)

    https://k-ur.info/novosti/dajdzhest-novostej/15558-proekt-novogo-otechestvennogo-reaktivnogo-samoleta-v-razrabotke-kotorogo-prinimalo-kamenskoe-upkb-detal-poka-zamorozhen

    It would be also the only forward swept wing aircraft currently in production, which is also cool.

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    Post  GarryB Tue May 30, 2023 4:07 am

    I do not know if both yak-152 and UTS-800 make sense.

    If the Yak-152 is using the VK-600V and the UTS-800 is using the VK-800 then they should be different enough to be worth considering both shouldn't they?

    My understanding was that the VK-800 was going to make the Ka-226 better at higher altitude operations with its extra power on the ground.

    Just looking at the link the thing going for the UTS-800 is the engine is ready while the engine for the Yak-152 is not, but you made it sound like the VK-800 is not even going ahead with your first comment.

    They are very different engines, perhaps the UTS-800 might be a light strike platform maybe, but seems very over powered for the role of prop trainer... what they probably need is a 200hp light cheap engine for the DOSAAF flight training role rather than a more powerful formula 1 hot rod.

    What Russia needs now is not 2 basic trainers, but an intermediate trainer with a single engine turbofan, to be used after the yak-152 and before the yak-130.

    What they need is a decent turbofan for a single engined trainer (say SR-10) and also a twin engined trainer (Yak-130) like the Al-55 or something.

    Yes, the 1400 hp VK-1600V (takeoff power, with up to 1750 hp in emergency mode) is for the Ka-62, replacing the French engines.
    Furthermore as posted in the other thread there is also a turboprop version planned and in the official presentation from 2 years ago also the plans for a 1200 hp derated version of the turboprop VK-1600S (to replace the 1100 hp Honeywell turboprop used on the SibNIA An-2 modernisation) were shown.

    So retrofit to An-2s using foreign engines and also new versions of the An-2 to replace newer US engines... perfect.

    So things are actually starting to look good for light aircraft and medium drones...
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    Post  franco Fri Aug 04, 2023 12:30 pm

    The General Director of PJSC Yakovlev spoke in an interview with RIA Novosti about the search for a new engine for the Yak-152 aircraft. The fact is that, before the introduction of economic sanctions against the Russian Federation, a German power unit was installed on this training model.

    Now the partnership with RED Aircraft GmbH has been terminated unilaterally. But the RED A03 engine, officially presented in 2010, was developed with the money of one of the Russian holdings.

    The German V-shaped diesel power unit is its main value. Plus, it is considered the most powerful engine in the world running on this type of fuel.

    Now PJSC Yakovlev is urgently looking for new suppliers of engines for the Yak-152. Such aircraft are necessary for the training of pilots, primarily military ones.

    There is information that several Russian companies are ready to start producing a piston engine. But first it needs to be developed. Who can do this is still kept secret.

    Closest to the creation of a new engine for the Yak-152 CIAM named after P.I. Baranov. A promising APD-A demonstrator engine is already ready there. It was created on the basis of a car engine for Aurus Senat.

    So far, the new engine has not been tested in the air, but the Yak-52 aircraft with it has already successfully completed jogging and even flying up.

    https://bibimot-ru.translate.goog/7091-pao-jakovlev-ischet-novyj-dvigatel-dlja-uchebnyh-samoletov-jak-152.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en

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