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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Mon Jul 06, 2020 5:28 pm

    The US is grasping for straws in finding more alleged Russian wrongdoing to impose more sanctions in an election year. Iran would have nothing to lose by paying any1 to kill GIs anywhere. While waiting for the US to leave, the Talibs r focusing on Afghan mil. & police- as is, they kill GIs for free if they get in the way.
    The US could even pose as Russians bribing the Talibs in a false flag op.
    Or they could pay them to kill more ISIS or drug dealers/farmers that won't cooperate with them, but the job wasn't done right or at all.

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    Post  GarryB on Tue Jul 07, 2020 8:28 am

    The US is grasping for straws in finding more alleged Russian wrongdoing to impose more sanctions in an election year.

    I would agree if it was Trump with the stupid story, but it is not... it is deep state that clearly wants US soldiers on the ground in Afghanistan... maybe there are materials that can be mined there to replace the stuff they have been buying from China for making batteries and stuff.

    This is an attempt to hurt Trump and to get him to go against his policy of withdrawing US troops from countries where US defence has no interest... just US big business wants bodies there to support their interests but they don't want to hire ex military contractors... they want US taxpayers to subsidise them as usual like Elon Musk...

    In fact Trump would be better off if he could get US soldiers out of Afghanistan and therefore claim he did deliver on his promise to bring the troops home.

    Iran would have nothing to lose by paying any1 to kill GIs anywhere.

    Iran can't print money like the US does... most of the Afghans would take a potshot at GIs even without the promise of cash... Americans think GIs spread peace and democracy where ever they go, but the reality is that they can be more heavy handed than the US police when it comes to shooting people.

    Russia doesn't need to offer money either... even Syrians in US occupied territory are starting to realise the US doens't give a shit about them and while Syrians in government occupied areas are getting rebuilt and normal life returned, the people in US occupied Syria are basically on their own... those US troops are there to steal oil and everyone else can get stuffed.

    While waiting for the US to leave, the Talibs r focusing on Afghan mil. & police- as is, they kill GIs for free if they get in the way.

    The whole point of blaming Russia for bounties is to stop the withdrawal... and when the withdrawal stops the Taleban will understandably get upset because the US is again breaking its promise to leave so they will feel they need to not deliver on their part of the deal to not target US forces... the first attack of course will be blamed on Putin because he was paying for it to happen even though there is no evidence, but that doesn't matter... the only reason the Taleban would kill Americans is because they are being paid to do it... American troops are bringing peace and democracy to the region why else would they kill them other than money... the US does everything for money and the Taleban are obviously the same as the US.

    The US could even pose as Russians bribing the Talibs in a false flag op.

    Most of the cases of Russia interfering in US and EU elections has proven to come from western Intel funded organisations that claim they were testing to see if it could be done...

    Or they could pay them to kill more ISIS or drug dealers/farmers that won't cooperate with them, but the job wasn't done right or at all.

    The US is already funding war lords and turning a blind eye to illegal drug cultivation... not to mention most of the funding they handed over the Pakistan the last few decades ended up going to terrorists in Afghanistan...

    Memo Raises Fresh Doubts on Russia Bounty Intel
    BountyGate: Scapegoating Systemic Military Failure in Afghanistan

    The more I think about it the funnier it becomes... the US intervention there was supposed to get Osama Bin Laden... so why are they still there? To build peace and prosperity? to fix a country they have spend trillions of dollars and the better part of 50 years trying to destroy... the old saying is that when an enemy is making a mistake... for what ever reason... don't interrupt them... staying in Afghanistan is a mistake the Soviets didn't make though the Brits have been there about 6 times now... I am sure they will leave when their masters instruct them to... US taxpayer money is not helping Afghanistan and dead American soldiers are not helping America be strong again, but a few companies in the US are making lots and lots of money in Afghanistan from the conflict there... it seems GI lives don't matter...
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:54 pm

    the US intervention there was supposed to get Osama Bin Laden... so why are they still there?
    the goal was to defeat the Talibs who sheltered him & prevent Afghanistan becoming a base for future anti-Western jihadists. The hidden agenda, besides the resources, was to keep an eye on Iran, Pakistan, other Stans (that can be used to destabilize S. Russia), & outflank/prevent China from getting the spoils. It's all part of the new Great Game for control of Eurasia.
    The US neocons thought that having the Northern Alliance on their side would help a lot, but they been proved wrong. Now it's a "bleeding wound" just like it was for the USSR.
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Jul 08, 2020 5:54 am

    the goal was to defeat the Talibs who sheltered him & prevent Afghanistan becoming a base for future anti-Western jihadists.

    No it wasn't... it was a revenge mission to kill OBL... defeating the Taliban is like defeating the Muj or the VC or the Chinese in Korea... it is pointless and not an achievable goal. It is a goal set by someone who does not ever want to leave...

    The hidden agenda, besides the resources, was to keep an eye on Iran, Pakistan, other Stans (that can be used to destabilize S. Russia), & outflank/prevent China from getting the spoils.

    Strategically it is a valuable location, but also vulnerable and easy to isolate for opponents.

    If Russia was actively working against the US like the US likes to claim they have a wide variety of light portable anti armour weapons they could supply to all sorts of factions in Afghanistan that could obliterate all sorts of vehicles being used there, and anti aircraft and anti tank missiles that could do the same... it is rough terrain... walking is not an option...

    The US neocons thought that having the Northern Alliance on their side would help a lot, but they been proved wrong. Now it's a "bleeding wound" just like it was for the USSR.

    Except unlike the USSR, the deep state obviously does not have any children serving in the US armed forces because they don't care about how many body bags come home... even without Russian special forces training their enemies how to ambush and kill them like US and UK and French and even Japanese and German special forces did in the 1980s.

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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Wed Jul 08, 2020 6:41 am

    No it wasn't... it was a revenge mission to kill OBL...
    Not only- the US wasn't happy with Taliban opposing the pipeline & threatened "a carpet of bombs" before 9/11/01; after he escaped, G. Bush said he didn't care much for him. The CIA had a team to track him down all those years but only after the Pakistani intel allegedly decided to turn him in, they conducted a raid.
    Until August, they claim, the US government saw the Taliban “as a source of stability in Central Asia that would enable the construction of an oil pipeline across Central Asia.” It was only when the Taliban refused to accept US conditions that “this rationale of energy security changed into a military one.”..
    “At one moment during the negotiations, the US representatives told the Taliban, ‘either you accept our offer of a carpet of gold, or we bury you under a carpet of bombs’.”.. there was open discussion of the need for the Taliban to facilitate a pipeline from Kazakhstan in order to insure US and international recognition. The increasingly acrimonious US-Taliban talks were broken off August 2, after a final meeting between US envoy Christina Rocca and a Taliban representative in Islamabad. Two months later the United States was bombing Kabul.
    The wider objective, according to Mr. Naik, would be to topple the Taliban regime and install a transitional government of moderate Afghans in its place—possibly under the leadership of the former Afghan King Zahir Shah.

    https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2001/11/afgh-n20.html

    https://www.globalpolicy.org/the-dark-side-of-natural-resources-st/water-in-conflict/48661-afghanistan-and-the-new-great-game.html

    He had his fun:
    https://strana.ua/news/278143-v-ssha-voennyj-pokonchil-s-soboj-posle-vozvrashchenija-iz-afhanistana.html

    https://asiatimes.com/2020/07/the-man-who-drove-the-us-out-of-afghanistan/?mc_cid=87ca57e387&mc_eid=5455568640


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    Post  JohninMK on Thu Jul 30, 2020 12:25 am

    The US have made some announcements re their forces in Germany.

    The US military said on Wednesday it would move its headquarters out of Stuttgart, Germany to Belgium, as it outlined broader plans to shift around 12,000
    Trump announced plans last month to cut the number of US troops in Germany to 25,000, faulting the close US ally for failing to meet NATO’s defence spending target and accusing it of taking advantage of America on trade.

    Of the 34,500 US military personnel in Germany, some 6,400 will be sent home while nearly 5,600 others will be moved to other NATO countries, US Defence Secretary Mark Esper announced Wednesday.

    A key aim of the rotation is to reinforce NATO’s southeastern flank near the Black Sea, Esper said.

    Some could also go to Poland and the Baltic states if Warsaw follows through on an agreement already sketched out by the two sides, Esper said.

    US officials said some of the moves will begin in months and would likely send air and ground forces to countries that already have an American troop presence.


    https://geopolitics.news/europe/us-to-withdraw-11900-troops-from-germany-about-half-to-be-redeployed-in-europe/

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    BREAKING: No more fighters at Spangdahlem AB, Germany. Defence Secretary Esper announces F-16s moving to Italy.




    General Wolters, the EUCOM and SHAPE commander, added that there are now discussions about relocating U.S. Africa Command (AFRICOM) and Special Operations Command-Africa (SOCAFRICA), which are both presently situated in Germany, out of the country, as well.
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    In addition to these other force posture announcements, the Pentagon said 2,500 personnel presently based at RAF Mildenhall in the United Kingdom would not be leaving there, despite previous plans to do so. The movement of those forces, including KC-135 aerial refueling tankers and special operations units, which had been slated to go to Spangdahlem, had already been pushed back to at least 2027 previously.


    https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/35181/pentagon-details-trumps-plan-to-pull-nearly-12000-troops-out-of-delinquent-germany

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