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    Is USA in the brink of a racial/civil war?

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    Post  Hannibal Barca on Sun Jul 17, 2016 9:48 pm

    Given the recent developments many questions arise. Discuss and contribute.
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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Mon Jul 18, 2016 11:04 am

    Between what parties would the civil war be fought? America has a rather long history of solving it's internal political conflicts by non-violent means.

    So, for a civil war you need a political organization that
    1. Sees no other way to win other than by military means
    2. Can muster a military force large enough to actually fight a war.

    Do I see potential for civil war in USA? At least not in 40-50 years.
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    Post  Khepesh on Mon Jul 18, 2016 12:04 pm

    I don't see the conditions for civil war at this time, certainly not between the states again, and not a civil war between ethnic groups, or at least not a clearly defined civil war, more like mass civil disturbances such as LA in the early 90s, and these can be repressed. More likely is that the increase in mass surveillance and the ever faster transition of the American police forces into a "security army", could in time become an unbearable imposition to ever growing parts of all society, whether poor Black or comfortable White, and generate the conditions for rebellion against the entire state apparat. But this is more likely to be unorganised and sporadic, as the state will, due to the mass surveillance, be able to infiltrate any organisations they see as a threat. Possibly they could see real "home grown terrorism" from individual, or very small groups of dissafected Americans from all backgrounds, thousands of people like Oklahoma bomber Timothy Mcveigh. IF it got to such a situation, which would be very dangerous and becoming chaotic, a military coup may occur, and then civil war between various parts of the state apparat, and then armed civilians looking to defend their communities from the various parts of the warring state, and the break up of America as we know it. But this is all looking into a very cloudy crystal ball.
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    Post  Hannibal Barca on Mon Jul 18, 2016 11:16 pm

    This guy seems to share my thoughts

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-18/its-beginning-look-lot-race-war-america
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    Post  eric1 on Wed May 10, 2017 11:24 pm

    The only civil war I am aware of at present is between nationalist factions within the military and intel community and globalist factions in those same institutions. It is currently a covert civil war. The globalist "elites" have been trying to foment racial unrest in the US particularly between the black community and the white community, but so far it hasn't really gotten anywhere.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Wed May 10, 2017 11:28 pm


    We can all agree that reality in media and reality in reality are two very different things...
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    Post  kvs on Thu May 11, 2017 12:06 am

    eric1 wrote:The only civil war I am aware of at present is between nationalist factions within the military and intel community and globalist factions in those same institutions. It is currently a covert civil war. The globalist "elites" have been trying to foment racial unrest in the US particularly between the black community and the white community, but so far it hasn't really gotten anywhere.

    Civil wars require politicians and elites to use the rabble to win power. As long as none of the US power elites resort to street fighting there
    will not be any civil war. I simply do not see a US Civil War level of division among the US power elites.

    BTW, the US civil war was about economics interests and not BS like freeing the slaves. The North was not going to allow the South to secede
    and take important territory and resources with it. The South was not going to live by the economic model of the North. Slavery was just an
    aspect of this.
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    Post  ATLASCUB on Thu May 11, 2017 12:39 pm

    NO. Not even close.

    The collapse of the dollar however, leading to a great depression, leading to a geopolitical reshuffle with Russia and China having a substitute for the by then collapsed U.S financial system does present such an opportunity.

    Liberal Western states splitting from the rest: that is, California, New Mexico, Oregon, Washington....I can see that Western corridor pushing to leave the Union. The demographics, as well as the ideological make-up of those states is favorable for partition. North/South, black/white of the civil war is no longer a problem for the Union. Mexican hispanics along with liberal whites + asians and some native indians might under such chaos - in the states I mentioned. Those states are becoming detached from the rest of the U.S culturally. Kvs also makes a strong point about the role of the elites.

    A flipped Mexico would also help but you can never ever ever ever ever trust the Mexicans to engage in political confrontation with the U.S. The Mexican leadership wouldn't even know where to begin - no personal accustomed to such politics. Cuba on the other hand is an expert at it - after years of experience of course. Cuba is in no position to significantly influence such a situation as it could hardly influence the millions of mexicans in the U.S (no cultural connection). It has a better chance at influencing liberal whites receptive to socialism much more so than mexicans hehe + it will take time for another Castro to pop up. Takes about 50-80 years - in Cuba's case.
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    Post  kvs on Sat Feb 23, 2019 5:12 pm

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNKsGw61UNY

    The US appears to be degenerating into a PC totalitarian toilet. If a critical mass of Americans do not abide with the agenda of
    the elites, then we can see some sort of armed strife and the ensuing brutal repression by forces of the elites. America has had
    a long history of the oligarchy raping the proles (see the movies "Heaven's Gate" and "Matewan").
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    Post  calripson on Mon Oct 05, 2020 5:36 pm

    https://www.rt.com/usa/502542-lafayette-nfac-black-militia-video/

    Odd times in the USA. I was at Gettysburg on Fourth of July weekend. There were dozens of guys with AR-15s and body armor walking around (all white). I thought it was odd that they had no identifying insignia. They were joined by about a hundred bikers (Pagans a notorious violent gang). They were there to provide security. Local cops weren't about to say boo. Contrast that with the video above. Now, I don't know if any of these people have military training nor how many are undercover Feds, but they have the firepower to overwhelm the police in all but the largest cities. America does not have paramilitary forces like Russia utilizing armor and no experience in dealing with this type of thing. Imagine the chaos even a few dozen trained people could cause.
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    Post  Begome on Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:36 pm

    America does not have paramilitary forces like Russia utilizing armor and no experience in dealing with this type of thing.
    Doesn't the USA have the National Guard as an "inland army"? Not trying to refute you, just curious as I don't know that much about it...
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    Post  kvs on Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:56 pm

    What paramilitary forces in Russia? OMON is not paramilitary. There are no paramilitary forces in Russia. The US National Guard are a good approximation
    to what Russia has.

    Paramilitaries are like Azov in Ukraine. Zealot scum that are fully unprofessional and commit atrocities.

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Mon Oct 05, 2020 9:04 pm

    Begome wrote:
    America does not have paramilitary forces like Russia utilizing armor and no experience in dealing with this type of thing.
    Doesn't the USA have the National Guard as an "inland army"? Not trying to refute you, just curious as I don't know that much about it...

    National Guard is an inland armor, however, they still need the governor's approval to deploy should the need arise.

    The Marines and Army require permission from congress to be deployed and conduct military operations on domestic soil.
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Oct 06, 2020 5:03 am

    The thing is that these white guys with body armour and rifles are probably also in the national guard.... or would have been if it wasn't for all the wars the US is involved in these days making national guard service a chance to go to Iraq or Afghanistan... it is a good way to play with guns and get paid for it, while living in your own home and keeping your monday to friday job...

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