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    Post  George1 Mon Feb 19, 2018 1:50 pm

    Ukraine bans deliveries of D-436 civil aircraft engines to Russia

    D-436 engines are currently mounted on An-148 airplanes and Be-200 amphibious aircraft


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    Post  GarryB Tue Feb 20, 2018 6:36 am

    Ukraine bans deliveries of D-436 civil aircraft engines to Russia

    D-436 engines are currently mounted on An-148 airplanes and Be-200 amphibious aircraft

    Good... Russia should make all its own engines and not send any money to the Ukraine for anything.

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    Post  Odin of Ossetia Wed May 30, 2018 11:48 pm





    Ukraine Admits to a Fake Story About Anti-Russian Journalist's Killing "to save his life."


    https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/russian-journalist-reported-killed-in-ukraine-shows-up-alive/ar-AAy1vRM?li=AAggFp5&ocid=SKY2DHP


    It is OK for them to lie for a cause.

    Not the first time this took place.

    More fairy tales about the UPA? Should anyone still believe these liars? They like to make themselves look good, and their victims look bad.


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    Post  George1 Fri Jun 08, 2018 5:12 am

    What If Kiev Attacks During World Cup? PUTIN: 'They'll Rue the Day' (Video)

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    Post  George1 Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:13 pm

    Ukrainian president signs law terminating Friendship Treaty with Russia

    The parliament upheld the president’s decision not to extend the Treaty on December 6

    KIEV, December 10. /TASS/. Ukrainian President Pyotr Poroshenko has signed a law terminating the Treaty on Friendship, Cooperation and Partnership with Russia, as he himself wrote on Twitter.

    On December 6, Ukraine’s Verkhovna Rada (parliament) upheld the president’s decision not to extend the Treaty.

    On September 24, Ukrainian Foreign Ministry notified the Russian Foreign Ministry that the document would be terminated on April 1, 2019.

    Meanwhile, Poroshenko wrote on Facebook that the decision "not to extend the Treaty on Friendship and Cooperation between Ukraine and Russia should be considered not just as an episode but as part of our strategy to finally break with our colonial past and pivot towards Europe." According to the Ukrainian president, "visa-free travels, the Ukraine-EU Association Agreement and a tomos of autocephaly for the Ukrainian Church are also part of this strategy, as well as the country’s withdrawal from the CIS [Commonwealth of Independent States], the decision to enshrine Ukraine’s plans to join NATO and the EU in the Constitution, the creation of a strong professional army and the support of the Ukrainian language."

    At the same time, Poroshenko has ordered the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry to complete an inventory of agreements with Russia. "We will continue to assess the utility of those agreements," the Ukrainian president pointed out. He also instructed the government to take immediate steps to establish an inter-agency coordination body "to work on a comprehensive claim concerning the damage caused by Russia’s military aggression."

    Poroshenko stressed that the Treaty on Friendship with Russia had not been terminated earlier so that the country could "take advantage of its provisions to prepare numerous lawsuits to be filed with international courts."

    According to the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry, there are more than 300 Ukrainian-Russian agreements and other documents.
    Treaty on Friendship

    Russia and Ukraine signed the Treaty on Friendship, Cooperation and Partnership in May 1997. The document, which entered into force in April 1999 for a term of ten years, could be automatically extended for ten-year periods provided the parties did not object. The document enshrines strategic partnership between the two countries and mutual obligations not to use one’s territory to harm the other’s security, as well as recognizes the inviolability of existing borders.

    In October 2018, the period expired for the parties to announce their plans either to extend the treaty for another ten-year term or denounce the document. Ukraine chose to do the latter.


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    Post  PhSt Wed Nov 13, 2019 11:19 am


    Lol not sure if serious or is just a trap




    A Ukrainian Billionaire Fought Russia. Now He’s Ready to Embrace It.

    KIEV, Ukraine — In the last five years, more than 13,000 people have died in a de facto war between Ukraine and Russia — a fight, many here say, to shake off the shackles of a colonial master and to move closer to the West.

    A crucial figure in the effort was a billionaire named Ihor Kolomoisky, who spent millions of dollars to field and equip fighters and helped stop the Russian advance in 2014.

    But Mr. Kolomoisky, widely seen as Ukraine’s most powerful figure outside government, given his role as the patron of the recently elected President Volodymyr Zelensky, has experienced a remarkable change of heart: It is time, he said, for Ukraine to give up on the West and turn back toward Russia.

    “They’re stronger anyway. We have to improve our relations,” he said, comparing Russia’s power to that of Ukraine. “People want peace, a good life, they don’t want to be at war. And you” — America — “are forcing us to be at war, and not even giving us the money for it.”

    His comments appeared to reflect, at least in part, his self-interested frustration that Western diplomats and the International Monetary Fund have been leaning on the president to prevent Mr. Kolomoisky from regaining control of the bank seized from him and a co-owner in 2016 amid allegations of a multibillion-dollar embezzlement.

    But whatever his motivations, Mr. Kolomoisky’s geopolitical views matter, because analysts and Western diplomats believe he has extensive sway with the administration of Mr. Zelensky, a comedian whose television shows were carried on Mr. Kolomoisky’s channel.

    While Mr. Zelensky continues to pursue closer ties with the West, he also appears to be prepared to engage with Russia more directly than his predecessor. Mr. Zelensky recently offered to meet with Mr. Putin without Western leaders present, the former president of Kazakhstan said Tuesday.

    In the impeachment hearings in recent weeks, American officials have described Mr. Kolomoisky’s influence as one of the biggest problems facing Mr. Zelensky’s new administration.

    The I.M.F. is reportedly holding up financing for Ukraine in part because of concerns that Mr. Zelensky is not doing enough to recover funds that Mr. Kolomoisky is accused of stealing from his Ukrainian bank, Privatbank, which cost the government in Kiev $5.6 billion to bail out in 2016.

    Mr. Kolomoisky, who denies any wrongdoing and says the government illegally seized his bank, has previously criticized the I.M.F. and what he sees as an excessively assertive Western role in Ukraine, insisting in an emotional interview — as he has in the past — that Mr. Zelensky should be prepared to default on the fund’s loans.

    But he described the impeachment proceedings now gripping Washington as a last straw, and he spoke in blunt terms about the logic of embracing Russia as a partner. It has become clear that the European Union and NATO will never take in Ukraine, he said, so it would be best to accept reality and not even try.

    “You all won’t take us” in the alliance, Mr. Kolomoisky said in the interview, in a conference room at his offices in Kiev. “There’s no use in wasting time on empty talk. Whereas Russia would love to bring us into a new Warsaw Pact.”

    Five years ago, Mr. Kolomoisky, now 56, had a far different perspective. With Ukraine under attack from Russian-backed separatists, the billionaire accepted an offer to become governor of his home Dnipropetrovsk region near the war’s front line. He financed a pro-government militia that held the battle lines before the regular army could deploy enough troops to keep the separatists at bay.

    As a fixture in Ukraine’s Jewish community, he countered the notion advanced by the Kremlin that the new pro-Western government in Kiev was run by neo-Nazis.

    In 2017, Mr. Kolomoisky left Ukraine for Switzerland and Israel after the government under then-President Petro O. Poroshenko seized Privatbank and accused him of a large-scale fraud that threatened to destabilize Ukraine’s economy. He returned this past May after the election of Mr. Zelensky, the comedian whose hit sitcom about a good-at-heart teacher turned president of Ukraine appeared on Mr. Kolomoisky’s television channel.

    Mr. Kolomoisky now insists he still has no love lost for Russia, mentioning the mass famine in the 1930s as one of the tragedies that befell Ukraine because of its association with Moscow. But, he told The Times in a profanity-laced discussion, the West has failed Ukraine, not providing enough money or sufficiently opening its markets.

    Instead, he said, the United States is simply using Ukraine to try to weaken its geopolitical rival. “War against Russia,” he said, “to the last Ukrainian.” Rebuilding ties with Russia has become necessary for Ukraine’s economic survival, Mr. Kolomoisky argued. He predicted that the trauma of war will pass.

    “Give it five, 10 years, and the blood will be forgotten,” Mr. Kolomoisky said. “I showed in 2014 that I don’t want to be with Russia,” he added. “I’m describing, objectively, what I’m seeing and where things are heading.”

    He said financing from Russia could replace loans from the I.M.F., which has pushed for anticorruption reforms that annoy Ukraine’s entrenched business interests.

    “We’ll take $100 billion from the Russians. I think they’d love to give it to us today,” Mr. Kolomoisky said. “What’s the fastest way to resolve issues and restore the relationship? Only money.”

    For Mr. Kolomoisky, the enmity toward the United States is personal. He says he believes he is a target of the F.B.I., which is reported to have started a financial-crimes probe into his activities.

    Fiona Hill, the former Europe and Russia adviser at the White House, told lawmakers that she was “extremely concerned” by Mr. Kolomoisky’s influence with Mr. Zelensky. George D. Kent, a senior State Department official, said he had told Mr. Zelensky that his willingness to break with Mr. Kolomoisky — “somebody who had such a bad reputation” — would be a litmus test for his independence.

    And William Taylor, the acting ambassador in Kiev, said he had warned Mr. Zelensky: “He, Mr. Kolomoisky, is increasing his influence in your government, which could cause you to fail.”

    Mr. Kolomoisky said that if he were Ukraine’s president, he would proceed with the investigations sought by Mr. Trump. Asked if that risked exposing Ukraine to blowback if a Democrat were to win next year’s presidential election, Mr. Kolomoisky responded: “If they get smart with us, we’ll go to Russia.”

    “Russian tanks will be stationed near Krakow and Warsaw,” he said. “Your NATO will be soiling its pants and buying Pampers.”

    Mr. Zelensky campaigned on an anticorruption platform, pledging to rid Ukraine of the influence of the business tycoons who seized control of the country’s key assets after the breakup of the Soviet Union. He pledged that Mr. Kolomoisky would have no special sway over his administration.

    But there are mounting signs that Mr. Kolomoisky’s influence is rising, and the oligarch’s comments about the importance of rebuilding ties with Russia are likely to increase concern among critics of Mr. Zelensky who already believe that the president is prepared to undermine Ukrainian interests in his pursuit of a Kremlin peace deal.

    Mr. Kolomoisky said he was feverishly working out how to end the war, but he refused to divulge details because the Americans “will mess it up and get in the way.”

    Mr. Kolomoisky said he remains intent on regaining ownership of Privatbank or being compensated. He said those like Mr. Poroshenko responsible for the bank’s seizure must be punished, “and the death penalty must be brought back for them.”

    With international investors jittery over Mr. Kolomoisky’s role, Mr. Zelensky has insisted publicly that he will not return the bank to its former owners.

    “He knows it wasn’t stolen,” Mr. Kolomoisky countered, referring to the money Mr. Kolomoisky and his partner were accused of embezzling from the bank, which both deny. “He’s saying what you all want to hear.”

    Mr. Kolomoisky rejected the reports about his hidden influence on Mr. Zelensky’s government. But he warned that he was starting to believe that depiction of himself, and that he had the ability to make it come to life.

    “If I put on glasses and look at myself like the whole rest of the world, I see myself as a monster, as a puppet master, as the master of Zelensky, someone making apocalyptic plans,” Mr. Kolomoisky said. “I can start making this real.”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/13/world/europe/ukraine-ihor-kolomoisky-russia.html

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    Post  kvs Wed Nov 13, 2019 2:54 pm

    It's called getting a dose of reality. Kolomoisky and the rest of the oligarch swine in the Pukeraine thought they were onto the
    greatest gravy train in history supporting the US regime change agenda. After five years of swirling the toilet bowl and about
    to finally get flushed they have realized that they made one of the biggest blunders in history. The retards.

    Russia should take out the plunger and make sure they enter the sewer system without any delay.

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    Post  Hole Wed Nov 13, 2019 4:46 pm

    What a a-hole.
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    Post  GarryB Thu Nov 14, 2019 2:15 am

    Lets translate that article properly shall we?

    A Ukrainian Billionaire Fought Russia. Now He’s Ready to Embrace It.

    Coward uber rich person realises he is not making any money being a patriotic idiot killing ukrainians and pretending they are Russian and decides to invest in a growing economy (Russian) rather than the toilet that him and his compatriots have created of their own economy.

    KIEV, Ukraine — In the last five years, more than 13,000 people have died in a de facto war between Ukraine and Russia — a fight, many here say, to shake off the shackles of a colonial master and to move closer to the West.

    In the last 5 years an illegal coup changed the legitimate government of the Ukraine to something that is closer to a colonial master than any they have ever known before... US politicians of not very high rank choose who is in their government... that is worse than colonialism... the war was never between Russia and the Ukraine otherwise it would have been over in a month or less... it is about a civil war in the Ukraine between Ukrainian groups.

    A crucial figure in the effort was a billionaire named Ihor Kolomoisky, who spent millions of dollars to field and equip fighters and helped stop the Russian advance in 2014.

    Idiot spends millions of dollars to kill Ukrainians who don't want to be told what language they should be speaking. Thinks it makes him a hero, but shows his stupidity instead.

    But Mr. Kolomoisky, widely seen as Ukraine’s most powerful figure outside government, given his role as the patron of the recently elected President Volodymyr Zelensky, has experienced a remarkable change of heart: It is time, he said, for Ukraine to give up on the West and turn back toward Russia.

    Rat realises the ship they abandoned is much more stable and stronger than the barge they were going to escape to... probably the fact that they just realised the original ships captain like to feed the rats on his ship, while the new captain of the barge hates rats and is demanding rats throughout the barge start paying their fair share...

    “They’re stronger anyway. We have to improve our relations,” he said, comparing Russia’s power to that of Ukraine. “People want peace, a good life, they don’t want to be at war. And you” — America — “are forcing us to be at war, and not even giving us the money for it.”

    Hahaha.... he just realises that Russia is more like the Ukraine than the west is and the Russians don't actually despise you like the west still do of all former commies or enemies. You would always be a second class citizen in the west.

    His comments appeared to reflect, at least in part, his self-interested frustration that Western diplomats and the International Monetary Fund have been leaning on the president to prevent Mr. Kolomoisky from regaining control of the bank seized from him and a co-owner in 2016 amid allegations of a multibillion-dollar embezzlement.

    He thinks there will be more freedom of movement for him in a Russian oriented Ukraine?

    But whatever his motivations, Mr. Kolomoisky’s geopolitical views matter, because analysts and Western diplomats believe he has extensive sway with the administration of Mr. Zelensky, a comedian whose television shows were carried on Mr. Kolomoisky’s channel.

    Because that is how it works in the west... jews and evangelist christians pay to get trump elected, so he supports israel no matter what... and what happened to his big deal of the century regarding israel?

    Anyway... pretty clear the motivations of this guy... but as I keep saying... Russia would benefit from friendly relations with the Ukraine, but you would have to change everyone from the bottom up in power there... including the opposition before it would be in Russian interests to do so... most of them are hand picked by American politicians... or related to them... fuck that... give them five years to sort their shit out on their own... they have some citizens that seriously need an appology and quite a few more that should be in jail... get back to us when that is done.
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    Post  flamming_python Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:08 am

    GarryB wrote:Anyway... pretty clear the motivations of this guy... but as I keep saying... Russia would benefit from friendly relations with the Ukraine, but you would have to change everyone from the bottom up in power there... including the opposition before it would be in Russian interests to do so... most of them are hand picked by American politicians... or related to them... fuck that... give them five years to sort their shit out on their own... they have some citizens that seriously need an appology and quite a few more that should be in jail... get back to us when that is done.

    Fully agree with this

    They can move out their forces from the engagement line and stop shelling. First thing's first. Start paying their citizens there their pensions too.
    Then they can progress to accepting reality and the fact that Russian is still the native language of 70-80% of the population, and make it a second state language. Or just make it an official regional language in every region of the Ukraine; if they want to avoid the political implications while at the same time giving people their rights back. Get rid of quotas on Russian language use on Ukrainian TV too, or raise it to 50%.
    Then they can remove all the Nazi & Bandera references, renamed streets, commemorations, holidays. Allow regions to do it themselves though if they wish, so Western Ukraine can be appeased - just not impose it on the rest of the country.
    Then they should conduct investigations of all war-criminals, disband all Maidanist activist groups (just stop paying them), disband neo-Nazi batallions, conduct lustrations against Nazis and ultra-nationalists in the Ukrainian parliament, intelligence services, police and army.
    Then they can lift all their lustrations against Communist and Party of Regions deputees, release all political prisoners, allow exiles back in, rehabilitate whoever they've killed already.

    Once they do all this, then we can start to think about how to reintegrate Donetsk and Lugansk into the Ukraine (although they'll continue to be somewhat seperate, can't imagine how they could ever trust Kiev again), and how to rebuild ties and trade. No promises of some huge investments or whatever though, just whatever's good for Russia. It's their mess, they've sitting in it. But at least this would allow the normalization of the situation and create an atmosphere where trust, investment and integration can slowly be rebuilt; and it would save the Ukraine from further disintegration.

    Crimea, trade tarriffs over EU association, NATO ties are all seperate issues as far as I'm concerned and can all be tackled some time later.
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    Post  kvs Thu Nov 14, 2019 5:20 pm

    That list of rational things to do is equivalent to suicide for the Banderites. The US pushed these ex-pat based Nazi collaborators
    into power and they have no other platform other WWII revisionism and some insane compulsion to "decommunize" Ukraine which includes
    destroying all of its industry and transport infrastructure. Rational policies cannot be expected from such lunatics.

    Banderites truly deserve the label Banderatards. Their economic policy will turn Ukraine into a 4th world country. Not even in
    fairy tales does total destruction of something lead to the flourishing of a better tomorrow. Investors will not invest in a corrupt
    toilet that is losing consumers able to afford anything since all the industrial jobs are disappearing. Aside from topsoil,
    the non-Donbass part of Ukraine has nothing to offer resource extractors also.

    As we write these posts, Ukraine's electrical capacity (from nuclear plants) is shrinking and Ukraine cannot afford new units. It
    will also not be able to afford significant imports either in the near future. Such structural collapse is terminal.

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    Post  flamming_python Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:57 pm

    kvs wrote:That list of rational things to do is equivalent to suicide for the Banderites.  The US pushed these ex-pat based Nazi collaborators
    into power and they have no other platform other WWII revisionism and some insane compulsion to "decommunize" Ukraine which includes
    destroying all of its industry and transport infrastructure.  Rational policies cannot be expected from such lunatics.  

    Banderites truly deserve the label Banderatards.  Their economic policy will turn Ukraine into a 4th world country.  Not even in
    fairy tales does total destruction of something lead to the flourishing of a better tomorrow.   Investors will not invest in a corrupt
    toilet that is losing consumers able to afford anything since all the industrial jobs are disappearing.   Aside from topsoil,
    the non-Donbass part of Ukraine has nothing to offer resource extractors also.  

    As we write these posts, Ukraine's electrical capacity (from nuclear plants) is shrinking and Ukraine cannot afford new units.  It
    will also not be able to afford significant imports either in the near future.  Such structural collapse is terminal.


    I don't expect rational policies from them. And I don't expect Zelensky or anyone else to have the backing to implement them.

    Nevertheless it's rational for Russia to demand such from them, anything less and there is no point helping them to put the country back together again.
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    Post  GarryB Fri Nov 15, 2019 3:16 am

    Nevertheless it's rational for Russia to demand such from them, anything less and there is no point helping them to put the country back together again.

    And that is the point... Russia wants a stable normal neighbour... they don't need to be best buddies... this has nothing to do with the expansion of Russia or domination of europe or any shit like this.

    It is natural to trade with the Ukraine from a Russian perspective... they are nice and close and share language and religion and historical ties... but why would Russia want to waste money and resources fixing a house they don't own and is owned by people who hate them and despise them and would do anything to hurt them?

    If the Ukraine wants to be buddies then they need to make some serious changes because those nazis can't be friends with Russia no matter how much money they might think they will get out of it.

    The Ukraine can of course rely on their new friends in the EU and US to fix all their economic problems... but I suspect they are starting to realise that the EU would prop up EU countries before starting to help neighbours... even neighbours with prime real estate... ie proximity to throw stones and Moscow, but there is no economic value there that they will pay big money for.

    Ukrainian Sanctions against Russia hurt the Ukraine rather more seriously than it hurt Russia... for Russia the pain was local and short term and now they have developed alternatives it has no reason to get back on that dependency for engines and other things from the Ukraine even if they wanted to they would have to rebuild most of it from scratch and end up with something inferior to what they have developed as replacements.

    I think the EU is in for a shock too because if they drop their sanctions and Russia does the same they wont be getting access to an empty market for food and other products that they had before... there will be Russian competition... which will likely get access to the EU market too... they might be surprised at the level of competition... hopefully they don't deal with it the way they normally do by getting the rich western companies to buy up all the successful Russian food companies and then just use them as a cheap resource...
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    Post  kvs Sat Nov 23, 2019 6:03 pm



    Banderastanis made a big stink about the ships returned by Russia from the Kerch strait incident having been stripped of
    everything including the toilets. Admirals, presidents and a horde of pundits went into action smear Russia as savages.
    But the FSB took long and detailed video of the ships before the transfer and released the video only after the Banderatards
    had ejaculated from their hate wanking. Nothing was touched on these worthless ships.

    Here we see the Ukr mentality. Since they are pathological thieves they project the same behaviour onto others. Maybe
    junky toilets in 50 year old boats are precious items in Banderastan, but that is not the case for Russia. Take your smelly
    shit and shove it...
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    Post  kvs Fri Nov 29, 2019 3:36 pm



    Banderastan is openly threatening to siphon gas being sold to the EU. Remember this when the NATO fake stream media
    starts accusing Russia of turning off the taps to "blackmail" the EU and the west. The only blackmail is from the Kiev regime
    and its yanqui masters.

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    Post  kvs Thu May 14, 2020 7:09 pm



    The actress Olga Kurylenko has pissed off Ukr Banderite vermin. She marked May 9 with a tribute to "our"
    victory on social media. Banderite scum started attacking her because "our" includes Russia. She responded that
    "our" refers to the former USSR and that her "nationality" is Slav. She was attacked that there is no such nationality
    and then she replied that she does not care and does not have any Ukr blood.

    respekt respekt respekt respekt

    Banderite vermin are Nazis and seek mythical racial purity and claim everyone else's history as their own achievement.

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    Post  PapaDragon Thu May 14, 2020 8:14 pm


    Nice to hear, I was fond of Olga ever since I watched Oblivion

    I wonder what 404s would think about Mila Jovovich but then again she never made secret of being Russian lol1

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    Post  kvs Fri May 15, 2020 4:30 pm



    Banderastan is getting some short-term return Karma from its closure of a water canal to Crimea.  For the last 5 years
    Ukr-land has been experiencing a shortage of rain and the drought is reaching a critical stage.

    I think Russia is being too much of a pussy.   When Banderatards closed off the canal, Russia should have started projects
    to dam the tributaries to the Dneper River.    What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

    http://www.fao.org/global-soil-partnership/resources/highlights/detail/en/c/1195674/

    Ukraine has a serious soil degradation problem since there is too much plowing and not enough tree lines to act as
    wind breaks.



    Banderatards are too retarded to understand why Soviet agronomists planted forests in the Ukrainian SSR after WWII. There
    was a massive drought in the late 1920s very similar to the US dust bowl. A good 10 cm of rich chernozem soil was
    blown off west over Romania and Poland. To deal with this desertification crisis forests were planted in strategic areas.
    Today these forests are being destroyed Haiti style by loser opportunists.

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    Post  slasher Thu Jul 01, 2021 8:02 pm

    Didn't Putin already meet with Ukraine's de facto head-of-state? In Switzerland last month?  lol!

    https://www.barrons.com/news/putin-says-ukraine-is-controlled-by-western-leaders-01625050507?tesla=y

    "What's the use of meeting with Zelensky when he has given full control of his country to outside management?"

    RT: Ukraine has surrendered itself to control from West, no point in meeting Zelensky when decisions are made in Washington – Putin

    “Why should I meet Zelensky?” the Russian leader asked. "If he has given up his country to full external control, the key issues about life in Ukraine are resolved not in Kiev but in Washington, and, to some extent, in Berlin and Paris. What then would we talk about?"

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    Post  miketheterrible Thu Jul 01, 2021 9:10 pm

    Holy shit that is a good burn

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    Post  GarryB Fri Jul 02, 2021 4:10 pm

    The sad thing is that he could say the exact same thing to Germany or France or the UK or most EU countries... as well as Australia and South Korea and Japan and New Zealand and Canada etc etc etc...

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