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    Post  GarryB Wed Aug 21, 2019 11:42 am

    The leader of Denmark has already rejected Trumps offer and Trump has cancelled their meeting in two weeks time.
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    Post  Hole Wed Aug 21, 2019 4:23 pm

    Maybe Russia should make an offer to the people of Greenland. Very Happy
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    Post  George1 Thu Aug 22, 2019 12:42 am

    Putin announces completion of Finnish section of Nord Stream 2 pipeline



    The Russian leader thanked Finland for its "pragmatic approach" towards the project

    HELSINKI, August 21. /TASS/. The construction of the Nord Stream 2 pipeline in the Finnish economic zone has been completed on Wednesday, Russian President Vladimir Putin said at a press conference with Finnish President Sauli Niinisto.

    "I can inform you that the work on laying the pipeline in the Finnish exclusive economic zone has been completed," Putin said.

    The Russian leader thanked Finland for its "pragmatic approach" towards the Nord Stream 2 project.

    The Nord Stream 2 project involves the construction of two pipelines with a total capacity of 55 billion cubic meters of gas per year from the coast of Russia through the Baltic Sea to Germany. The pipeline route passes through the exclusive economic zones and territorial waters of Russia, Finland, Sweden, Denmark and Germany. On August 16, Gazprom reported that Nord Stream 2 has already been built by 73.6%.
    https://tass.com/economy/1074463


    Putin expressed confidence in implementation of Nord Stream 2


    The Russian leader emphasized that it is theoretically possible "to imagine a situation where the United States will convince Europe to replace Russian gas with American gas"

    HELSINKI, August 21. /TASS/. Europe needs Russian gas supplies, so the Nord Stream -2 project will be implemented, despite threats from the US, Russian President Vladimir Putin said at a press conference following talks with the President of Finland.

    "The objective side of the matter is that Europe is interested in receiving Russian gas. I think that the project will be implemented," he said.

    However, Putin emphasized that it is theoretically possible "to imagine a situation where the United States will convince Europe to replace Russian gas with American gas."

    "If now they convince Europeans that they should buy gas from them at higher prices, then this will be the choice of Europeans. The next step will be subsidizing a non-competitive product in the European market from state budgets. Theoretically, we can imagine this," the Russian President said.

    The Nord Stream 2 pipeline is expected to come into service at the end of 2019. The pipeline is set to run from the Russian coast along the Baltic Sea bed to the German shore. It will go through the exclusive economic zones and territorial waters of five countries - Russia, Finland, Sweden, Denmark, and Germany, thus bypassing transit countries of Ukraine, Belarus, Poland and other Eastern European and Baltic states. Each of the pipeline’s two stretches will have a capacity of 27.5 bln cubic meters. The total cost of the project has been estimated at 9.5 bln euro

    On August 16, Gazprom reported that Nord Stream 2 has already been built by 73.6%.

    Driven by geopolitical considerations, Washington openly opposes the construction of the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline and is taking effort to block this project. Experts say this way the United States is seeking to push supplies of its liquefied gas to the European market, although it is much more costly than Russia’s. The 2017 Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions Act (CAATSA) envisages a possibility of using unilateral restrictions against companies participating in the implementation of the Nord Stream-2 project. Besides that, the US Congress is now drafting at least one more bill on sanctions.

    https://tass.com/economy/1074484
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    Post  owais.usmani Fri Aug 30, 2019 10:09 am

    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/123541/

    Gazprom has begun filling gas with the Power of Siberia gas pipeline

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    Post  owais.usmani Mon Sep 02, 2019 1:15 pm

    https://www.rt.com/business/467683-india-russia-lng-arctic/

    India looks to import more LNG from Russia’s resource-rich Arctic region

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    Post  owais.usmani Mon Sep 02, 2019 2:27 pm

    https://www.ft.com/content/58e0030a-cbfd-11e9-99a4-b5ded7a7fe3f

    Amur gas deal set to boost China-Russia links



    Sibur, Russia’s largest petrochemical producer, is set to sign a gas supply deal that could significantly increase the capacity of a planned plant aimed at the Chinese market, potentially spurring billions of dollars of further investment.

    The liquid petroleum gas (LPG) supply deal with gas producer Gazprom would allow Sibur and its Chinese partner Sinopec to increase potential output from the Amur plant close to the Chinese border by 80 per cent.

    The preliminary, in-principle supply agreement is set to be signed next week at an economic forum in Vladivostok, in Russia’s far east, according to two people with knowledge of the talks.

    The Amur chemical plant is one of the most prominent in a string of Sino-Russian business deals announced in recent years, as part of Russian president Vladimir Putin’s pivot towards Beijing amid soured ties with the west. Sinopec owns 10 per cent of Russia’s Sibur, while another 10 per cent of the company is held by the Chinese state-controlled Silk Road Fund.

    The new deal increases the likelihood that Sibur and Sinopec, who signed a joint venture agreement in June that would give the Chinese company a 40 per cent stake in the project, could decide to construct a larger plant in Amur than first envisaged.

    Expanding the plant to also use LPG would increase the project’s costs from an estimated $7bn-$8bn to $10bn-$11bn, one of the people said. A final investment decision will be taken before the end of the year, with construction set to last until 2024.

    Gazprom, which has already agreed to supply the Amur plant with 2m tonnes of ethane a year, would supply 1.1m-1.5m tonnes of LPG under the terms of the deal, according to the people.

    Sibur’s final investment decision on the size of the Amur plant is likely to depend on whether Russia’s government applies a negative excise tax on LPG, the people added.

    Sibur and Gazprom declined to comment. 

    Both the LPG and ethane would be refined from Siberian natural gas pumped through Gazprom’s Power of Siberia pipeline, which will open in December to become the first route to supply Russian gas to China. The vast majority of the planned Amur plant’s petrochemical products, which are used to make plastics, are expected to be exported to China.

    If it uses the maximum amount of ethane and LPG agreed with Gazprom, the plant’s total output would be 2.3m tonnes of polyethylene and 400,000 tonnes of polypropylene.

    Power of Siberia, the Amur plant and Chinese funding for liquid natural gas production plants in Russia’s Arctic have underlined the growing business ties between Moscow and Beijing, which have largely seen Chinese cash exchanged for Russian energy assets.

    Russia is the world’s largest oil and gas exporter but is seeking to expand its petrochemical industry in an effort to increase value from its vast hydrocarbon reserves rather than relying on sales of raw energy products.

    Sibur recently finished constructing a $9.5bn plant in Siberia that will roughly double the company’s petrochemical production.
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    Post  GarryB Tue Sep 03, 2019 2:32 am

    Not just the gas sales there... providing China with relatively cheap cleaner energy will be both good for their economy, and also a good kick in the balls of Australia because they should be able to shut down more of those coal fired power plants too.

    But the Aussies love to blow uncle sam every chance they get, and raise issues like Tibet and Hong Kong and Taiwan when they visit China, but don't mention Guantanimo or their blind support for criminal regimes in Saudi Arabia and Israel...

    Looks like China might replace the EU in terms of selling energy... maybe it is time to scale back supplies to the EU... the EU is basically a direct competitor to Russia so making them spend more on energy is in the interests of most Russians.

    Besides the west always claims Russia uses gas supplies as a weapon against the EU, yet they do so without ever threatening to turn it off or charge more.

    America is offering freedom gas so the EU can get off its Russian gas addiction and end Russian manipulation of the EU to their ends... which is ironic because I would say the whole purpose of the EU and the G7 and various other organisations that tie EU members to the US are directly used by the US to manipulate the EU into doing things that are really not in the interests of the EU, like starting a war with Iran, or paying much more for their energy supplies...
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    Post  owais.usmani Thu Sep 05, 2019 9:36 am

    https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Russia-To-Expand-In-Worlds-Fastest-Growing-Oil-Market.html

    Russia To Expand In World’s Fastest Growing Oil Market

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    Post  owais.usmani Fri Sep 06, 2019 10:24 am

    https://thebarentsobserver.com/en/industry-and-energy/2019/09/new-arctic-partnership-announces-construction-17-icebreaking-lng-tankers

    New Arctic partnership announces construction of 17 icebreaking LNG tankers


    The two companies signed the deal that formally establishes the new joint venture during this week’s Eastern Economic Forum in Vladivostok.

    The vessels will all have top Arc7 ice standards and be built at the new Zvezda yard. They are to be delivered in the period 2023-2026.
    It will be a completely new fleet of Arctic LNG tankers, built in Russia and sailing under Russian flag, Sovcomflot informs.

    The vessels will serve the Arctic LNG 2, the major natural gas project currently under development by Novatek and its partners.

    The new company will lead the technical development of the fleet, serve as its purchaser and keep control of the construction process. It will be the formal ship owner, operator and provide financing, representatives of Sovcomflot say.

    According to company leader Sergey Frank, a joint venture is the best possible way forward considering the complexity of the project.
    «Considering the capital intensity and duration of the project, and the need for consolidation of financial resources, construction potentials, use of new technologies and experience from fleet management in harsh ice and climatic conditions, the establishment of a joint venture is preferable,» he says.

    According to the company, the new vessels will be technically different from the tankers built for the Yamal LNG project. The hulls will have a different shape, which reportedly improves the ships’ operational capacities in the shallow waters of the Ob Bay and the thick ice of the Russian east Arctic.

    In a comment, Novatek leader Leonid Mikhelson highlights the need for consolidated efforts in the development of the Northern Sea Route.

    «The efficient model for marine transportation of LNG from the Russian Arctic to the main international markets via the Northern Sea Route supports Novatek’s successful development of Arctic LNG projects and allows us to meet the President’s objective to increase goods shipments in the NSR to 80 million tons in 2024,» he says.

    The new 17 ships will be built at Zvezda, the grand new shipyard developed by Rosneft. The Russian oil company will cooperate closely with the South Koreans in the process. On the same day that Sovcomflot and Novatek announced their new partnership, did Rosneft present a deal with Korean shipyard Hyundai Heavy Industries.

    According to Rosneft, the deal makes the Korean company a key technological project partner and will provide the Russian shipbuilders with technical specifications and project documentation needed for the development of the fleet.

    The Hyundai Heavy Industries has built all the tankers now serving the Yamal LNG project.
    The Yamal fleet will by the end of 2019 total 15 vessels. They now shuttle between LNG terminal Sabetta and markets in Europe and Asia.
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    Post  owais.usmani Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:08 am

    Bad news:

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-pgnig-gazprom-opal/eus-top-court-curtails-gazprom-access-to-nord-stream-pipeline-link-idUSKCN1VV0TH

    EU's top court curtails Gazprom access to Nord Stream pipeline link

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    Post  miketheterrible Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:45 am

    It's better if you quote the whole thing.

    Essentially, Gazprom cannot increase fuel amount via Opel pipeline. Of course by EU law. Lol
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    Post  kvs Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:00 pm

    owais.usmani wrote:Bad news:

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-pgnig-gazprom-opal/eus-top-court-curtails-gazprom-access-to-nord-stream-pipeline-link-idUSKCN1VV0TH

    EU's top court curtails Gazprom access to Nord Stream pipeline link



    While they are at it, they can also cut off their nose to spite their face. Stand back and consider the behaviour here: The EU needs gas imports but acts as if it doesn't.
    This sort of spazzing never succeeds.

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    Post  GarryB Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:24 am

    I would like to see the Russians declaring that because of pipes that have not been maintained in the Ukraine despite earning transit fees that are supposed to provide for the maintenence of said pipes, they will no longer rout any gas via the Ukraine after 31st December 2019.

    Ukraine already buys back flow back from the EU so they can continue to do that if they want, and if they want to remove sanctions and tariffs then there is room to negotiate, but a sanction is an attack, so it is not in Russian interests to give concessions to countries that are currently attacking them... including the EU as a block.

    There are no options for the return of the Crimea to the Ukraine, it was the Crimeas choice and they have made it.

    If the EU wants to fight Russia stopping Russian gas, then Russia can simply divert it elsewhere.... liquification is certainly a great way to make it mobile and able to be delivered anywhere on the planet... it costs money to do, but it sells for more as well so costs will be covered by the consumer.

    A nice big hike in energy costs for Europe will be good for their economies... silly Russia offering them cheaper energy... what are they thinking?
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    Post  owais.usmani Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:03 am

    Well they are shifting their focus away from Europe for sure.

    https://thebarentsobserver.com/en/industry-and-energy/2019/09/putin-wants-deliveries-arctic-gas-china

    Putin wants deliveries of more Arctic gas to China

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    Post  owais.usmani Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:07 am

    I wonder what a $25 crude price would do to US shale drillers.

    https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Russia-Considers-Possibility-Of-25-Oil-Next-Year.html

    Russia Considers Possibility Of $25 Oil Next Year

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Thu Sep 12, 2019 12:54 pm

    GarryB wrote:I would like to see the Russians declaring that because of pipes that have not been maintained in the Ukraine despite earning transit fees that are supposed to provide for the maintenence of said pipes, they will no longer rout any gas via the Ukraine after 31st December 2019.

    Ukraine already buys back flow back from the EU so they can continue to do that if they want, and if they want to remove sanctions and tariffs then there is room to negotiate, but a sanction is an attack, so it is not in Russian interests to give concessions to countries that are currently attacking them... including the EU as a block.

    There are no options for the return of the Crimea to the Ukraine, it was the Crimeas choice and they have made it.

    If the EU wants to fight Russia stopping Russian gas, then Russia can simply divert it elsewhere.... liquification is certainly a great way to make it mobile and able to be delivered anywhere on the planet... it costs money to do, but it sells for more as well so costs will be covered by the consumer.

    A nice big hike in energy costs for Europe will be good for their economies... silly Russia offering them cheaper energy... what are they thinking?

    In the meanwhile Russia can also deliver Liquefied natural gas (LNG) via ships etc.... the customer will have to pay more, but it will be still cheaper than the american LNG.

    I do not know how this thing will end anyway... the polish can shoot their own feet to spite on Russia, but the germans are quite pragmatic about gas prices...
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    Post  owais.usmani Fri Sep 13, 2019 9:14 am

    https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/The-US-Massively-Underestimates-The-Trade-War-Blowback.html

    The US Massively Underestimates The Trade War Blowback


    Trade wars and sanctions are economic weapons against rival regimes, and like actual military warfare, often lead to unanticipated and sometimes devastating blowback from the targeted regimes.

    A prime example was President Obama sanctioning Russia over its annexation of Crimea. The sanctions were designed to block Russia from any access to western financing, aimed at causing a dire financial and economic crisis in Russia that would force it to relinquish Crimea and end support for Ukraine’s breakaway territories.

    In fact, the sanctions did cause Russia to enter a short-lived recession. But it also had other, much more drastic results for the West. It forced Russia to move closer to China, and Moscow saw Beijing as a great alternative to western financing for Russian industries.

    At the same time, western companies were forced to withdraw from Russian mega-deals because of sanctions. The best-known example was Exxon, forced by sanctions to walk away from an Arctic joint venture with Russia’s state-owned oil giant, Rosneft, where it had invested $3.2 billion. In their very first effort, the partners successfully drilled oil wells containing 750 million barrels.

    As noted by Reuters, the withdrawal was costly:

    “Exxon will post an after-tax loss of $200 million as a result of pulling out of the Rosneft deal, but the true costs for the company run much deeper. Exploring and developing giant offshore fields in Russia was supposed to provide long-term growth for the company, and, in recent years, has seen falling reserves.”

    But the opportunity losses are likely to be far higher for Exxon, the company that famously missed the US shale revolution. The long-term deal with Rosneft, expected to continue for decades, included exploration for oil in the Black Sea, enormous shale resources in Western Siberia, and the development of three large blocks in the Arctic (Kara Sea).


    The trade war with China that has led to tariffs on billions of dollars in Chinese exports to the US, and as a result, Russia and China have moved even closer. It remains an absolute mystery why no one in the west had foreseen the blowback from economic warfare leading to an alliance between two of its most powerful adversaries.

    China’s major state-owned oil companies and its Silk Road fund each became 10% partners in Russia’s first major Arctic LNG (liquified natural gas), project in the Yamal Peninsula, undertaken with Novatek, Russia’s largest independent gas producer. The project offers great prospects for enormous expansion.
    The US acts as if it has been blind-sided by the Russian/China moves, even though years before it undertook economic warfare against them, China, the world’s largest energy importer, agreed to finance oil and gas multi-billion-dollar pipelines in neighboring Russia. Now Russia has become China’s largest energy supplier, equaling or perhaps even surpassing its energy supplies to Europe.

    A similar scenario is taking place in the Persian Gulf where the US has withdrawn from the Iran nuclear deal, while imposing economic sanctions on Iranian oil exports.  The French energy giant, Total, that in recent years has been a leading international oil company in that country, was forced to withdraw because of sanctions, just like Exxon in Russia’s Arctic, it left billions of dollars on the table.

    This may also answer the question as to why French Prime Minister Macron was so intent on inviting the Iranian Foreign Secretary to the recent G7 meeting in France. It’s also no secret that French carmakers Peugeot and Renault are the main suppliers to Iran’s auto assembly plants.

    As stated by Global Village Space (GBS), China and Russia rushed to aid Iran, with China replacing Total, in a 25-year deal estimated to be worth some $400 billions. With that, China inherits a bonanza, providing much needed finance and technology to a country that was and could again become one of the world’s leading energy producers. China is looking to finance $280 billion to develop Iran’s gas, oil and petrochemicals industries, along with $120 billion to improve transport and manufacturing, making it a key partner in China’s Road and Belt program.

    The deal also gives China the right to buy any or all Iranian oil, gas, and petrochemicals products at a minimum guaranteed 12% discount to global benchmarks, plus an additional discount of 6-8% for risk adjusted compensation. Financing will proceed using local currencies, avoiding the costs of converting to a hard currency like the US dollar or the Euro, giving the Beijing yet another 10% cost advantage.

    GBS further reports that the security for these projects will include up to 5,000 Chinese security personnel on the ground in Iran to protects Chinese projects and to safeguard the transit of energy products from Iran to China, including security for the very strategic Hormuz Straits.
    In direct defiance of US sanctions against Iran, China has stepped into the breach, increasing its oil purchases from Iran while becoming Iran’s major energy trade and finance partner. Like Russia, it seems that Iran is moving towards a military alliance with China. If the west worries about China’s expansive moves in the South China Sea, along China’s own borders, what to make then of China moving in on Hormuz, where some 30% of world oil is transited each day?

    If these are considered winning policies for the West, one has to ask what failure looks like.

    The West is already slowly becoming aware of the blowback this disastrous policy has caused. Evidence for this can be found in Macron’s efforts to persuade Trump towards a peaceful resolution with Iran.

    It is well known that the US has been in secret meetings with Iran representatives, much to the dismay of the Saudi Arabia and Israel. As Bloomberg reports, after the G7 meeting, Trump publicly and repeatedly stated he was ready to meet with Iran’s President, Hassan Rouhani. Bloomberg also reported that in a meeting with his Cabinet, Trump announced that he was ready to ease sanctions as a possible way to open negotiations between the two countries. Treasury Secretary Mnuchin agreed with the President, while National Security Advisor Bolton voiced strong opposition, that only one day later, led to his firing. Secretary of State Pompeo stated that Trump may meet on the sidelines of the upcoming UN meeting with Iran’s President.

    The firing of Bolton was immediately followed by a fall in the price of oil and gold. Allowing Iran to continue to increase supplies into already well supplied oil markets will add downward pressure on oil prices. For the Trump administration, this is not necessarily a bad thing… unhappy consumers at the gas pump make for unhappy voters.

    Similarly, the Trump Administration badly needs to move towards ending the trade war with China in order to calm global markets. The recent announcement of the resumption of trade talks between the US and China in October may provide an opportunity for a similar easing of tariffs and a path towards further resolution.

    Although these actions could help to quell global tensions, it may be too late to reverse some of the serious damage caused by US-led economic warfare. Once China positions itself in Iran, it will not likely be interested in withdrawing from its new strategic position in the Middle East, that it gained as a result of US near sighted foreign policy.

    Prior to the election, we may see a breakthroughs in the trade war, and the alleviation of sanctions with Russia, Iran, China, and perhaps even North Korea, but the US will almost certainly see the negative consequences from adversaries it helped to expand and strengthen.
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    Post  GarryB Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:15 pm

    Well they are shifting their focus away from Europe for sure.

    And why wouldn't they... with all the shit they are getting from the EU itself regarding owning pipes and gas, not to mention pressure from the US and other european countries... it really just is not worth the bother if the Chinese wants to buy their gas straight from the siberian gas fields, and they can liquify the rest and sell it to anyone they want.

    I do not know how this thing will end anyway... the polish can shoot their own feet to spite on Russia, but the germans are quite pragmatic about gas prices...

    Certainly Bulgaria and Poland and a few other states have been very belligerent in this regard for both new pipelines, but Germany has not demanded sanctions against Russia be ended either...

    It is really tricky though because I am conflicted because I think Russia should keep its ban on importing food from the EU no matter what... so maybe making them pay more for LNG would be a good thing even if they bit the bullet and bought it from the US... the price of higher energy costs would hit manufacturing in europe and would likely boost the Russian export potential and reduce european competitiveness... in fact perhaps they should stop selling energy to the EU all together... no matter what.

    Prior to the election, we may see a breakthroughs in the trade war, and the alleviation of sanctions with Russia, Iran, China, and perhaps even North Korea, but the US will almost certainly see the negative consequences from adversaries it helped to expand and strengthen.

    And that is important too... I kinda get the feeling that the EU thinks that if it drops its sanctions that things will go back to the way they were with Russia importing much of the food it consumes from the EU, but I rather suspect that not only will they have to compete hard in the Russian market against much stronger Russian competition, but they will also find that Russian competition spreading back into the EU as competition in their own markets where the low value of the rouble will make their products cheap.
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    Post  kvs Sat Sep 14, 2019 8:29 pm

    Here is a question that none of the precious NATO fake stream media ever asks:

    Why are EU bureaucrats so busy blocking Russian gas pipeline building and access? If US and other source LNG is the future, then just build more LNG
    terminals. But instead of doing that they are trying to coerce Russia into shipping its gas via Ukraine and Poland.

    Russia needs to f*ck these clowns over and hard. After the upcoming meetings with Ukr monkeys, Gazprom should declare force majeur and supply
    only the amount that it can given the EU-tard sabotage by Bruxelles. Let's see the US feed the EU LNG cake and in the right amount. The clowns
    in Washington actually think that they can move in on the EU market like some mafia racket. What a collection of retards. The US has to import over
    80 billion cubic meters from Canada and clearly cannot export 160 bcm to the EU.
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    Post  Azi Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:17 pm

    kvs wrote:Here is a question that none of the precious NATO fake stream media ever asks:

    Why are EU bureaucrats so busy blocking Russian gas pipeline building and access?   If US and other source LNG is the future, then just build more LNG
    terminals.   But instead of doing that they are trying to coerce Russia into shipping its gas via Ukraine and Poland.  

    Russia needs to f*ck these clowns over and hard.    After the upcoming meetings with Ukr monkeys, Gazprom should declare force majeur and supply
    only the amount that it can given the EU-tard sabotage by Bruxelles.    Let's see the US feed the EU LNG cake and in the right amount.     The clowns
    in Washington actually think that they can move in on the EU market like some mafia racket.   What a collection of retards.   The US has to import over
    80 billion cubic meters from Canada and clearly cannot export 160 bcm to the EU.  
    They will! They will!

    After completion of North Stream 2 and Turkish Stream the ukrainian and polish NAZIs can eat ther shitty nationalism! As if there is any claim of Ukraine on Russian gas to Europe!? No Gas, no money for them! That is my hope for future.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Mon Sep 16, 2019 7:58 pm

    I was going to post this in the Ukraine thread, but maybe it's more important to post this here.

    The agreement on Euroassociation forces Ukraine to pump gas from Russia to the EU without a contract

    Edit: I fixed the hyperlink.


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    Post  GarryB Tue Sep 17, 2019 11:03 am

    Link does not work...
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    Post  flamming_python Wed Sep 18, 2019 1:09 am

    Poland has now successfully appealed against Nord Stream in the European commission, which has sided with it. The Opal pipeline which connects Nord Stream to the German network can only be used at 50% capacity by Gazprom.

    Well Germany may just decide that German law applies over European law, much as they've thrown out European commission objections over the pipeline before.

    But I rather think that they're in on it, and it's just a negotiating tactic for the upcoming Russia-Ukraine talks on gas transit later this month. Europe hopes that Russia will subsidise the Ukraine with its own money by continuing to pump gas through it. After that, Germany may decide to pressure the European commission and withdraw the 50% limit

    The nerve of it is pretty severe. Very arrogant. Putin has already promised Merkel that some gas will continue to transit the Ukraine. However it seems this pledge wasn't enough. They're demanding more.

    Russia should retreat to a hard-line position. No transit of gas through the Ukraine other than for Romania, Moldova and Bulgaria. Putin has been caving to the Europeans on this issue and I'm afraid that he may cave again to his 'western partners'. Putin keeps ramming his head against the wall, desperately looking for renewed relations with Europe - and Russia ends up exploited as a result. The man is stuck in his vision of a Europe free from US influence. He doesn't understand that these are EU interests themselves that are driving the bloc into the Ukraine, Moldova, etc... irrespective of whether the US leads the charge or not.

    Like I said - a hard-line. Increasing gas supplies to Asia will make up for the lost revenue. Absolutely no reason to cave to the Europeans. They don't want the gas, fine, sell it elsewhere. And not a single rouble to the Ukraine for something that can be accomplished cheaper another way. Let the EU subsidize that black hole themselves.
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    Post  miketheterrible Wed Sep 18, 2019 1:47 am

    Other option is just say "have it your way" and just limit the gas supply and up the fees. Then, just push out more in LNG development which Europe will end up buying from Russia one way or another.

    Russia apparently has other options too. Apparently another pipeline that connects in Germany. So they aren't out of options.
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    Post  GarryB Wed Sep 18, 2019 8:11 am

    Well I think Russia should simply say that either European gas goes through north and south stream pipes or you need to buy it in the more expensive liquid form from us because the Ukraine has screwed us before with gas deliveries and you guys blamed us for that too.

    Russia will actually benefit from Europe paying more for their energy anyway... screw them.

    Let them buy freedom gas for a year or two.

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