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    Post  GarryB on Tue Aug 25, 2015 11:15 am

    Sorry, I went on a bit... I do that some times... Smile

    All I was going to say was that these countries... Russia, Finland, the baltic countries, Ukraine... etc etc are all neighbours and nothing is going to change that.

    You can be bitchy and blame all your problems on your neighbour... or you can harden the fuck up and realise neither of you can leave this relationship and try and sort out your differences and solve your own problems.
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    Post  andrewlya on Fri Aug 28, 2015 6:38 pm

    Werewolf wrote:There was a vote in Lithunian TV3 television that asked lithunians if they believe that Russia is increasing its Propaganda towards lithunia.

    The results:
    12% said Yes.
     6% said No increase in Russian propaganda.
    82% said It is not propaganda. Russia tells the truth.

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    By the way, the media in LT then said that this survey had been hacked into and tampered with, hence the results. I am not buying it..
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    Post  max steel on Fri Aug 28, 2015 7:57 pm

    andrewlya wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:There was a vote in Lithunian TV3 television that asked lithunians if they believe that Russia is increasing its Propaganda towards lithunia.

    The results:
    12% said Yes.
     6% said No increase in Russian propaganda.
    82% said It is not propaganda. Russia tells the truth.

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    By the way, the media in LT then said that this survey had been hacked into and tampered with, hence the results. I am not buying it..

    Prove it otherwise we arent buying your statement either.
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    Post  Werewolf on Fri Aug 28, 2015 8:45 pm

    max steel wrote:
    andrewlya wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:There was a vote in Lithunian TV3 television that asked lithunians if they believe that Russia is increasing its Propaganda towards lithunia.

    The results:
    12% said Yes.
     6% said No increase in Russian propaganda.
    82% said It is not propaganda. Russia tells the truth.

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    By the way, the media in LT then said that this survey had been hacked into and tampered with, hence the results. I am not buying it..

    Prove it otherwise we arent buying your statement either.

    I do buy it, that LT media has spin it around and claimed those vote results were all influenced by pro russians. That is what our state propaganda ZDF and ARD in news like Tagesschau have said in their online votings, that "putin paid trolls" have started a voting campaign to distort the "german" view on Russian annexation of Crimea. Freedom of speech never existed in the west or whereever the west has put its boots on the ground.
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    Post  kvs on Fri Aug 28, 2015 11:33 pm

    Werewolf wrote:
    max steel wrote:
    andrewlya wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:There was a vote in Lithunian TV3 television that asked lithunians if they believe that Russia is increasing its Propaganda towards lithunia.

    The results:
    12% said Yes.
     6% said No increase in Russian propaganda.
    82% said It is not propaganda. Russia tells the truth.

    Russia and the Baltic States - Page 2 LittauenUmfrage

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    By the way, the media in LT then said that this survey had been hacked into and tampered with, hence the results. I am not buying it..

    Prove it otherwise we arent buying your statement either.

    I do buy it, that LT media has spin it around and claimed those vote results were all influenced by pro russians. That is what our state propaganda ZDF and ARD in news like Tagesschau have said in their online votings, that "putin paid trolls" have started a voting campaign to distort the "german" view on Russian annexation of Crimea. Freedom of speech never existed in the west or whereever the west has put its boots on the ground.

    I wonder why these NATO media lie factories never complained about online voting before? If some Russian trolls can
    nullify the value of online votes, then the same was true for any other set of online votes where any number of interested
    parties could have spammed the vote counters.

    You see here the schizophrenia of NATO propaganda. On the one hand NATO is the bastion of human intelligence and superior
    technology and culture. But on the other it can't conceive of a way to counteract vote spamming. Take for example the following
    obvious approach that at least limits the spam volume: use cookies with encryption and track IPs. So a single IP cannot vote
    numerous times. It is still possible to "DOS" the vote site but it is much more difficult. Then they could use captchas to filter
    out bots.
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    Post  andrewlya on Sat Aug 29, 2015 2:03 am

    Werewolf wrote:
    max steel wrote:
    andrewlya wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:There was a vote in Lithunian TV3 television that asked lithunians if they believe that Russia is increasing its Propaganda towards lithunia.

    The results:
    12% said Yes.
     6% said No increase in Russian propaganda.
    82% said It is not propaganda. Russia tells the truth.

    Russia and the Baltic States - Page 2 LittauenUmfrage

    Video link
    By the way, the media in LT then said that this survey had been hacked into and tampered with, hence the results. I am not buying it..

    Prove it otherwise we arent buying your statement either.

    I do buy it, that LT media has spin it around and claimed those vote results were all influenced by pro russians. That is what our state propaganda ZDF and ARD in news like Tagesschau have said in their online votings, that "putin paid trolls" have started a voting campaign to distort the "german" view on Russian annexation of Crimea. Freedom of speech never existed in the west or whereever the west has put its boots on the ground.
    Funny how they carry out these surveys hoping to get the results they desire but when the results turn out the way they had not expected they come out with lame excuses such as invasion of "Russian trolls" or "results had been hacked/tampered with", they can't just take it on the chin and admit these are the results. I guess truth hurts..
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    Post  Werewolf on Sat Aug 29, 2015 2:23 am

    andrewlya wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:
    max steel wrote:
    andrewlya wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:There was a vote in Lithunian TV3 television that asked lithunians if they believe that Russia is increasing its Propaganda towards lithunia.

    The results:
    12% said Yes.
     6% said No increase in Russian propaganda.
    82% said It is not propaganda. Russia tells the truth.

    Russia and the Baltic States - Page 2 LittauenUmfrage

    Video link
    By the way, the media in LT then said that this survey had been hacked into and tampered with, hence the results. I am not buying it..

    Prove it otherwise we arent buying your statement either.

    I do buy it, that LT media has spin it around and claimed those vote results were all influenced by pro russians. That is what our state propaganda ZDF and ARD in news like Tagesschau have said in their online votings, that "putin paid trolls" have started a voting campaign to distort the "german" view on Russian annexation of Crimea. Freedom of speech never existed in the west or whereever the west has put its boots on the ground.
    Funny how they carry out these surveys hoping to get the results they desire but when the results turn out the way they had not expected they come out with lame excuses such as invasion of "Russian trolls" or "results had been hacked/tampered with", they can't just take it on the chin and admit these are the results. I guess truth hurts..

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    Post  George1 on Tue Sep 15, 2015 10:19 pm

    Baltic States resort to ban tactics in relations with Russia — Russian Foreign Ministry

    It seems the Baltic States authorities have resorted to the tactics of bans on the work of journalists and media outlets falling out of line of the mainstream approved from above, Moscow says

    MOSCOW, September 15 /TASS/. The tactics of denying entry to Russian journalists shows the true worth of the Baltic States’ declared commitment to the principles of democracy and freedom of speech, the Russian Foreign Ministry said in its statement on Tuesday.

    "The EU has constantly been wailing of the need to be committed to freedom of speech. Regrettably, we need to state — against this background — that this important principle is being literally ignored on a daily basis to suit political ambitions," the Russian Foreign Ministry said.

    "It seems that the authorities in the neighboring Baltic States who feel they are impotent to preserve control over the media space have resorted to the tactics of bans on the work of separate journalists and media outlets, which fall out of line of the mainstream approved from above," the ministry said.

    Estonia has recently denied entry to Maria Perekryostova, the head of the multimedia programs direction of the Rossiya Segodnya media holdings who planned to organize the work of the agency’s journalists in Estonia. Maria was banned entrance at Tallinn airport, the Russian Foreign Ministry said.

    "They did not give any clear and coherent explanations to their decision despite the fact that the media holdings has all the licenses for operation in Estonia," the Russian Foreign Ministry went on to say.

    "A similar case has taken place in Lithuania where the authorities suddenly announced Komsomolskaya Pravda’s journalist Galina Sapozhnikova an undesirable person who threatens the country’s state security," the Russian Foreign Ministry explained.

    "A ban to open a Rossiya Segodnya office in Latvia fits well into the general picture of actions to restrict media freedom," the ministry’s statement said.

    "In short, a coordinated policy of the Baltic States is obvious. They automatically regard any person linked to Russian media to some degree as a foe and a target for persecution," the Russian Foreign Ministry stressed.

    "These cases clearly demonstrate the true worth of demagogical statements made by Vilnius, Riga and Tallinn about commitment to the principles of democracy and freedom of speech. Naturally, we are going to take account of these unfriendly moves in our bilateral relations with these countries," the Russian Foreign Ministry concluded.
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    Post  George1 on Tue Sep 29, 2015 8:34 am

    Broken ties with Baltic states adversely affect Russia and countries in region — president

    The Russian president reminded that Russia and the Baltic states have common supply and power system since the Soviet times

    MOSCOW, September 29. /TASS/. Broken economic ties with the Baltic states adversely affect both Russia and the countries of the region, Russian President Vladimir Putin told US journalist Charlie Rose in an interview with CBS and PBS.

    "The broken ties, first of all, in the economy, adversely affect all of us, including Russia," Putin said. "So, I am deeply convinced that we should abandon the phobias of the past, look forward into the future and, while acting on the basis of international law, establish good-neighbourly and equal relations," he added.

    The Russian leaders stressed that Moscow would like to "build friendly and partnership relations" with the Baltic states since "many Russians have been living there since the collapse of the Soviet Union."

    "They are being discriminated there, their rights are being violated. Do you know that many Baltic states have invented something new in the international law? What citizenship-related notions did the international law have before? The answer is: a citizen, a foreigner, a stateless person and dual nationals, or people with dual citizenship," Putin said. "The Baltic republics have invented something totally new. Do you know what? They use the word ‘non-citizens’ for people who have been living for decades in the territory of Baltic states and have been deprived of a number of political rights. They cannot participate in the election campaigns; they have limited political and social rights. Everybody keeps quiet about it, as if this is the way it should be," he continued.

    "Of course, this cannot but cause a certain reaction. I assume that our colleagues from both the United States and the European Union will proceed from current humanitarian law and ensure political freedoms and rights of all people, including those who are living in the territory of Baltic states after the disintegration of the Soviet Union," Putin said.

    The Russian president reminded that Russia and the Baltic states have common supply and power system since the Soviet times. He added that "there are plans to separate the Baltic states from the common power system of the former Soviet Union and to integrate them into the European system."

    "In practice, it means that a number of zones will emerge between several regions of the Russian Federation, where we will have no power transmission lines, since previously we used to have a loop transition through the Baltic countries. And it means that we will have to reform the system, spending billions of dollars, as well as our European partners who will also have to spend billions of dollars to integrate the Baltic countries into their power grid. What for? If we really seek some kind of joint work and integration, not just by words but also by deeds, what is the use of all this? And this is the case in many areas - they do the opposite of what they say," Putin explained.

    The president expressed hope that "these all are growth-related problems" and that "common sense - in this or other area - will prevail in the end."

    "We all are interested in an open development, without any prejudice; this refers particularly and, perhaps, primarily to the Baltic countries, for them it is more important than for Russia," Putin concluded.
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    Post  andrewlya on Wed Sep 30, 2015 11:03 pm

    George1 wrote:Broken ties with Baltic states adversely affect Russia and countries in region — president

    The Russian president reminded that Russia and the Baltic states have common supply and power system since the Soviet times

    MOSCOW, September 29. /TASS/. Broken economic ties with the Baltic states adversely affect both Russia and the countries of the region, Russian President Vladimir Putin told US journalist Charlie Rose in an interview with CBS and PBS.

    "The broken ties, first of all, in the economy, adversely affect all of us, including Russia," Putin said. "So, I am deeply convinced that we should abandon the phobias of the past, look forward into the future and, while acting on the basis of international law, establish good-neighbourly and equal relations," he added.

    The Russian leaders stressed that Moscow would like to "build friendly and partnership relations" with the Baltic states since "many Russians have been living there since the collapse of the Soviet Union."

    "They are being discriminated there, their rights are being violated. Do you know that many Baltic states have invented something new in the international law? What citizenship-related notions did the international law have before? The answer is: a citizen, a foreigner, a stateless person and dual nationals, or people with dual citizenship," Putin said. "The Baltic republics have invented something totally new. Do you know what? They use the word ‘non-citizens’ for people who have been living for decades in the territory of Baltic states and have been deprived of a number of political rights. They cannot participate in the election campaigns; they have limited political and social rights. Everybody keeps quiet about it, as if this is the way it should be," he continued.

    "Of course, this cannot but cause a certain reaction. I assume that our colleagues from both the United States and the European Union will proceed from current humanitarian law and ensure political freedoms and rights of all people, including those who are living in the territory of Baltic states after the disintegration of the Soviet Union," Putin said.

    The Russian president reminded that Russia and the Baltic states have common supply and power system since the Soviet times. He added that "there are plans to separate the Baltic states from the common power system of the former Soviet Union and to integrate them into the European system."

    "In practice, it means that a number of zones will emerge between several regions of the Russian Federation, where we will have no power transmission lines, since previously we used to have a loop transition through the Baltic countries. And it means that we will have to reform the system, spending billions of dollars, as well as our European partners who will also have to spend billions of dollars to integrate the Baltic countries into their power grid. What for? If we really seek some kind of joint work and integration, not just by words but also by deeds, what is the use of all this? And this is the case in many areas - they do the opposite of what they say," Putin explained.

    The president expressed hope that "these all are growth-related problems" and that "common sense - in this or other area - will prevail in the end."

    "We all are interested in an open development, without any prejudice; this refers particularly and, perhaps, primarily to the Baltic countries, for them it is more important than for Russia," Putin concluded.
    Thanks for the article, I agree with Vlad. Let's forget about the phobias of the past and move on!
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    Post  George1 on Sun Feb 21, 2016 3:14 am

    Russia-Lithuania Political, Economic Relations Stalled – Ambassador

    http://sputniknews.com/politics/20160221/1035112980/russia-lithuania-political-economic-relations.html
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    Post  George1 on Tue Jul 31, 2018 12:07 am

    Russian Embassy in Estonia blasts ex-Waffen SS gathering

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    Post  George1 on Wed Aug 22, 2018 2:42 pm

    Kremlin rejects any compensation to Baltic states for alleged ‘Soviet occupation’

    The Kremlin does not agree, in general, with the term ‘Soviet occupation," the spokesman said

    SOCHI, August 22. /TASS/. Russia objects to the term ‘occupation’ relative to the stay of the Baltic republics within the Soviet Union and rejects any possibility of talking about any compensation, Kremlin Spokesman Dmitry Peskov said on Wednesday.

    The Kremlin spokesman this commented on the intention of Estonia and Latvia to demand compensation from Russia for the period of the alleged ‘Soviet occupation.’

    As the Russian presidential spokesman noted, this is ‘an old theme,’ which ‘hotheads’ have long been exploiting and ‘there is nothing new in it.’

    "We, of course, do not agree, in general, with the term ‘Soviet occupation,’" Peskov said.

    "We do not agree that there can be a talk about any compensation. One should also not forget about the contribution made to the infrastructural, economic and social development of the Baltic states during the Soviet period," the Kremlin spokesman stressed.

    As the press office of the Estonian Justice Ministry reported on Tuesday. Estonia’s Justice Minister Urmas Reinsalu and his Latvian counterpart Dzintars Rasnacs are planning to consider a demand to Russia to compensate for the damage during the period of the alleged ‘Soviet occupation.’ In a joint statement, they stress that it is important to remember the period of the ‘Soviet occupation’ and consider demanding from Russia as a legal successor to the Soviet Union to compensate for the alleged damage. The ministers also said they were ready to decide the issue of compensation within the framework of international law at the UN level.

    Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia signed a joint declaration three years ago on the need to seek compensation for the damage allegedly done by the ‘Soviet occupation’. Earlier, Vilnius claimed that Lithuania could seek $30 bln compensation.


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    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Oct 21, 2019 6:25 pm


    Estonia’s Russian reset

    https://www.politico.eu/article/estonia-russia-border-language/
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:20 am

    Hahahaha... what a joke.

    Russia should withdraw its forces from occupied Ukraine and then we can all be friends because you are white and christian and the muslim refugees are the opposite...

    It seems Estonia has backed off from its xenophobia against Russia because common sense kicked in when they were shown what happens if you reject half your population and tell them they can't communicate in the language of their choice like they did in the Ukraine. The EU alternative to Russia is of course accepting black people with other religions... so now they are realising Russians are not so bad after all...

    Screw Estonia... Russia should be careful with any cooperation there because those backstabbing bitches simply cannot be trusted.

    BTW if Estonian opinions about Russians have really changed why did he enter using an American passport... perhaps he should be asking people arriving with Russian passports how their reception was...
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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Thu Oct 31, 2019 7:47 pm

    Denmark approved NS-2.

    Bye Felicia Ukraine.
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    Post  kvs on Thu Oct 31, 2019 10:58 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:Denmark approved NS-2.

    Bye Felicia Ukraine.

    Russia should have taken the 5 week delay and gone around the EEZ of Denmark. I hear the Danish EEZ routinely
    referred to as "territorial waters". That is pure BS.

    If NS-2 will go through the Danish EEZ, Denmark will start pulling the Ukr scam of demanding transit fees and whatnot.

    Pipelines on the seabed away from actual territorial waters should not be subject to any fees.

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    Post  Viktor on Sun Mar 08, 2020 12:06 pm

    Another idiot country believing in narrative that democracy will provide so nothing is needed  Very Happy  

    Russia ruined the ports of the Baltic sisters
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    Post  kvs on Sun Mar 08, 2020 6:13 pm

    Viktor wrote:Another idiot country believing in narrative that democracy will provide so nothing is needed  Very Happy  

    Russia ruined the ports of the Baltic sisters

    Interesting how rabid is the denial. These clowns will continue to believe in the infinite wealth of the NATzO west even as their
    ship sinks below the surface. You can see the same mental condition in Banderastan. Even though their best new pals have
    hung them out to dry, they are still waiting for their delusional riches.

    All of these clowns are rabid welfare bums. I am not against the concept of people being given the chance to earn a good wage.
    But I am against those maggots who think they can do nothing and still get paid.

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    Post  Viktor on Sun Mar 08, 2020 9:33 pm

    In exchange for the support EU provides wealthy capitalists from the foreign countries legally got the power to make decision instead of them and used it

    in a way to stop all growth of domestic production and destroying everything left not working directly under their command. So necessary outcome was that

    those countries are being left with nothing and in total dependency on the mercy of EU bureaucrats while their countries being ripped by wealthy foreign corporation. And than they say

    the Russia is a problem while being the only country actually doing the help that is not obliged to. So now when Russia decided to stop playing with the idiots their situation might

    seem clearer a bit in either case begging is the only option left and they should better do it right.

    Therefore I think Russia should help the Russians left over there pack their bags and leave for the Motherland by making them that process with ease.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Sun Mar 08, 2020 10:44 pm

    I agree entirely.

    Russia is pretty much their entire export market of end goods and they offer nothing to the EU besides being a border to Russia.

    Let them enjoy their "freedom" by begging to EU. But I think now there are more NATO forces (foreign to the land) in their respective countries than there are of locals.
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Mar 09, 2020 5:32 am

    Russia ruined the Baltic ports... I am pretty sure it was those baltic countries that blocked Russian use of their ports themselves because they thought it would damage Russia and Russia would have no alternative but to come crawling back to them and accept new much harsher terms... Of course it was much easier to expand their own ports and their own infrastructure and make all the money themselves.... the baltic countries can go screw themselves...
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    Post  Regular on Tue Mar 10, 2020 7:12 pm

    GarryB wrote:Russia ruined the Baltic ports... I am pretty sure it was those baltic countries that blocked Russian use of their ports themselves because they thought it would damage Russia and Russia would have no alternative but to come crawling back to them and accept new much harsher terms... Of course it was much easier to expand their own ports and their own infrastructure and make all the money themselves....  the baltic countries can go screw themselves...

    Ports were dying, even a breeze would have killed them. Baltics don't make anything, there's almost no export. They do love to blame Russia for everything anyways, but most likely it was mismanagement by state.
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    Post  kvs on Tue Mar 10, 2020 9:26 pm

    Regular wrote:
    GarryB wrote:Russia ruined the Baltic ports... I am pretty sure it was those baltic countries that blocked Russian use of their ports themselves because they thought it would damage Russia and Russia would have no alternative but to come crawling back to them and accept new much harsher terms... Of course it was much easier to expand their own ports and their own infrastructure and make all the money themselves....  the baltic countries can go screw themselves...

    Ports were dying, even a breeze would have killed them. Baltics don't make anything, there's almost no export. They do love to blame Russia for everything anyways, but most likely it was mismanagement by state.

    Not quite. Most of the Baltic ports were operating as transit points for shipments in and out of Russia. So the foaming at the mouth anti-Russian hysteria
    of this chihuahua statelets meant that they shot themselves in the head by forcing Russia to bypass them. And Russia was very generous to these
    hater freaks after all of their gross provocations from 2000 onward. But now the music has stopped and these losers are left standing without any chairs.
    The poor dears.

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    Post  kvs on Tue Mar 10, 2020 9:28 pm

    GarryB wrote:Russia ruined the Baltic ports... I am pretty sure it was those baltic countries that blocked Russian use of their ports themselves because they thought it would damage Russia and Russia would have no alternative but to come crawling back to them and accept new much harsher terms... Of course it was much easier to expand their own ports and their own infrastructure and make all the money themselves....  the baltic countries can go screw themselves...

    The chauvinist retards never thought through the consequences of their actions. They did not even envision that Russia would built
    a massive amount of new port capacity on the Gulf of Finland that totally nullifies the need to use the decaying chihuahua ports and
    connecting railways. This f*ckup is of Biblical proportions.


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