Catalan independence movement

Where the fuck is Lavrov giving pancakes???

Hannibal Barca wrote:

Where the fuck is Lavrov giving pancakes???

Like Vicky Nuland giving out cakes lol?

Spanish PM Confident Europe Would Never Recognize Catalonian Independence



Spanish Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy said that Europe will never recognize Catalonian independence.
Spain will not offer concessions to Catalonian independence supporters, Spanish Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy said on Monday.

MADRID (Sputnik) – Europe will never recognize Catalonian independence, Spanish Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy said on Monday in an interview to the National Radio of Spain.

Last week, two leading pro-independence movements, Republican Left of Catalonia, headed by Oriol Junqueras, and Democratic Convergence of Catalonia, led by Artur Mas, as well as a number of other parties and civil organizations, signed a roadmap for the region's independence process, which outlines the path they want to take if they win the September 27 elections.

Rajoy added that September’s regional elections "do not have plebiscitary character" and he will turn to the Constitutional Court of Spain if Catalonia unilaterally proclaims independence.

On Tuesday, Spanish Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy criticized the roadmap, stating that no Spanish government will ever recognize a vote to break up the country.

Despite central government protests, Catalonia went ahead with an informal independence vote late last year.

On November 9, 2014, more than 80 percent of Catalans voted for independence. Following the referendum, Catalan nationalists called snap regional elections to be held September 27, 2015, intending to capitalize on a groundswell of popular support for independence from Madrid.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150406/1020532774.html#ixzz3WXh6AZ40

Catalonia Would Not Expect Red Carpet Welcome from EU

According to the head of the pro-independence Catalan National Assembly, European Union will not encourage Catalonia if the region decides to secede from Spain.

MOSCOW (Sputnik) – The European Union will not encourage Catalonia if the region decides to secede from Spain, the head of the pro-independence Catalan National Assembly (ANC) told Sputnik Monday.

Jordi Sanchez said that the European Union “will not roll out a red carpet before us, waiting for us to come with a new state to be admitted to the club.”

However, according to the political activist, when Brussels sees that there is a clear mandate from the Catalan people and a willingness on the behalf of the Catalan Government and Parliament to proceed with separating from Spain, it will act “to promote stability” in the European South.

He acknowledged the existence of "discreet contacts" between European diplomats and the Catalan Government, as well as "Catalan political and social agents,” adding that major European and Western governments had expressed interest about the processes currently unfolding in Catalonia.

"We are not at any stage to seek international recognition, because the process [of Catalonia gaining independence] is far from reaching the peak of democratic support in polls," Sanchez said.

On September 27, Catalonia is due to vote in regional elections. The Together for Yes coalition of pro-independence parties has pledged to set processes in motion for the autonomous region to separate from Spain, should it win the vote.

Spanish Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy has repeatedly said that Catalan secession is illegal.

According to Sanchez, the Spanish Constitution permits the holding of independence referenda and the real problem lies in the “extremely restrictive” interpretation of the country’s law by the central government.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150727/1025099105.html#ixzz3h7rdt9cc

Left-Wing Coalition Denies Supporting Catalonia's Unilateral Secession



The secretary general of the Communist Party of Catalonia says Catalonia Yes we Can left-wing coalition will not support unilateral secession of the region from Spain.

MADRID (Sputnik) — Catalonia Yes we Can left-wing coalition will not support unilateral secession of the region from Spain, the secretary general of the Communist Party of Catalonia said.

Joan Josep Nuet, a candidate from Catalonia Yes we Can, said in a Thursday interview with the EFE news agency that it was "absolutely impossible" for the coalition to support Catalonia's unilateral declaration of independence from Spain.

The coalition comprising Podem, a Catalan branch of the Spanish anti-austerity Podemos party, Initiative for Catalonia Greens (ICV) and United and Alternative Left (EUiA) may gain up to 33 seats from a total of 135 seats in the regional parliament and therefore influence the Catalan legislature over the independence issue.

Catalonia is set to hold regional elections on September 27. A coalition of pro-independence parties, comprising Republican Left of Catalonia and the Democratic Convergence of Catalonia (CDC), has pledged the region's autonomy from Spain should it win the vote.

More than 80 percent of Catalans who participated in a November 2014 informal referendum on independence supported secession from Spain. Over two million people out of an estimated 5.4 million eligible voters participated in the ballot.

Spanish Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy has repeatedly objected Catalonia’s right to secede.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150814/1025728917.html#ixzz3ijjB9VNB

Pro-Independence Parties Win Absolute Majority in Catalan Election



With 98,2 percent of votes counted, the pro-independence Junts pel Si (Together for Yes) coalition promoted by Catalan President Artur Mas and his allies from the radical left-wing Popular Unity Candidacy party secured absolute majority in the Catalan parliament.

MOSCOW (Sputnik) — The pro-independence Junts pel Si (Together for Yes) coalition promoted by Catalan President Artur Mas and his allies from the radical left-wing Popular Unity Candidacy (CUP) party secured absolute majority in the Catalan parliament, according to 98,2 percent of votes counted.

The local El Pais newspaper reported that the pro-independence coalition and CUP secured 62 and 10 seats correspondingly in the 135-strong Catalan parliament as the result of the regional election on Sunday.

The center-left Citizens party secured 25 seats, the Socialists' Party of Catalonia took 16 seats. The left-wing coalition Catalonia Yes we Can and the conservative People's Party of Catalonia secured 11 seats each.

Earlier Junts pel Si has pledged to set processes in motion for the autonomous region to separate from Spain within 18 months, should they win a majority.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150928/1027627920.html#ixzz3n0LsQGQe

Catalan President Takes Responsibility for Unofficial Independence Vote

On Thursday, Mas appeared before the Catalonia’s high court to answer accusations of civil disobedience and abuse of power by organizing the unofficial November 9 vote, in which 80 percent of participants supported seceding from Spain.

MOSCOW (Sputnik) — Catalan President Artur Mas accepted responsibility on Thursday for organizing last year’s independence referendum, but said the implementation was carried out by volunteers.

Madrid claims Catalan secession is unconstitutional.

"I take full responsibility for the participative day of 9N, no need to look for anyone else," Mas told the judge, as quoted by La Vanguardia newspaper.

The Catalan president stressed that the process of the executing the vote was in the hands of volunteers.

Catalonia has long sought independence from Spain, accusing Madrid of constraining its economic and cultural autonomy.

In September, the pro-independence Junts pel Si (Together for Yes) coalition and their allies from the radical left-wing Popular Unity Candidacy (CUP) party secured 72 seats in the 135-member Catalan parliament in regional elections.

According to Mas, the victory gave the parties a clear mandate to form an independent state of Catalonia.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20151015/1028566897/catalonia-spain-independence.html#ixzz3odbIDoEc

George1 wrote:UN Chief Rejects Catalonia's Right to Self-Determination

Proving yet again that Ban Ki Moon is a puppet.

Let me put this way for the Russians that visit this forum, for us Spaniards, the Catalonians are our Ukranians . Enough said.

Catalonia Parliament Begins Process of Splitting From Spain

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20151109/1029808286/catalonia-independence-resolution.html#ixzz3r1RQr6nR

The Parliament of Catalonia on Monday passed a resolution to begin the process of seceding from Spain.

MADRID (Sputnik) – The initiative was backed by 72 out of 135 votes in parliament.

Podemos, the new Spanish party of left defends a referendum in Catalonia. Also in the Basque Country and in Galicia.

http://www.catalannewsagency.com/politics/item/holding-a-referendum-in-catalonia-indispensable-for-podemos-agreement-with-psoe

Barcelona (CNA).- Catalonia should be allowed to hold a referendum “with guarantees” and with “a single, clear question”. This is one of alternative left ‘Podemos’s conditions for reaching an agreement with the Spanish Socialist Party (PSOE) and, according to Podemos’ leader Pablo Iglesias, “it is indispensable”. At a press conference this Monday, Iglesias emphasised his party’s will to “reform the territorial model” in Spain and recognise its different “national realities”.

18 days to the Catalan independence referendum

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/catalans-take-to-the-streets-in-support-of-independence-vote-1.3217423

Ispan wrote:Let me put this way for the Russians that visit this forum, for us Spaniards, the Catalonians are our Ukranians . Enough said.

Does that mean that you're for or against their independence from Spain?

All the support to Catalonia from the Basque Country.

You are not alone.

Let me put this way for the Russians that visit this forum, for us Spaniards, the Catalonians are our Ukranians . Enough said.

In that case I would say let them go, you are better off without them...

Catalonia defeated the Spanish violence.

You won the right to become an independent country. Congratulations Catalonia!

eehnie wrote:
Catalonia defeated the Spanish violence.      

You won the right to become an independent country. Congratulations Catalonia!

How? Very few people voted and there's no guarantee it was a fair referendum.
Also, it's illegal for Catalonia to become independent if the rest of Spain disagrees.

KiloGolf wrote:

eehnie wrote:
Catalonia defeated the Spanish violence.      

You won the right to become an independent country. Congratulations Catalonia!

How? Very few people voted and there's no guarantee it was a fair referendum.
Also, it's illegal for Catalonia to become independent if the rest of Spain disagrees.

The Catalans have been fighting for independence for centuries. As far as I am aware, their language is not at all closely related to Spanish and they have their own separate customs and traditions. If Kosovo could become an independent state which is crazy but it did then I don't see why Catalonia couldn't. About the turnout, I think they said that 42% came to vote and 90% voted for independence. Let's look at the case of Montenegrin independence vote. Allegedly, little over 80% of the population voted scoring about 55.5% for yes. That means that less than half of the population voted to secede from Serbia but they still got independence. Lucky them. Granted it had a much bigger turnout and was "perhaps  "more"(not really) representative of the true disposition of the population. Anyway, an independent Catalonia could lead to more calls for independence in Europe and a rise in nationalism across the region. Kind of a positive development in my opinion. Would work against efforts at forging a one world government.

But I am open to many opinions. Since we are not from Spain then I don't see why we should be taking up strong positions on the subjects. It doesn't really affect us. If the Catalans want independence then who are we to voice our opposition to it or deny it to them. This ultimately concerns only them and the Spanish.

So, after Franco turns the upper regions of Spain including Catalonia the industrial power house of the country, the "richer" Catalonians now feel superior to the rest of Spain?
What Franco did was practical in that it shortens supply lines to the rest of Europe. But yeah, according to Catalans, "we're the shit and we're better than you... also we don't want our taxes to go to you poorer and stupider Spaniards in the south" .

But hey, maybe Catalonians really are more industrious than the South and most of the North.

BM-21 wrote:

KiloGolf wrote:

eehnie wrote:
Catalonia defeated the Spanish violence.      

You won the right to become an independent country. Congratulations Catalonia!

How? Very few people voted and there's no guarantee it was a fair referendum.
Also, it's illegal for Catalonia to become independent if the rest of Spain disagrees.

The Catalans have been fighting for independence for centuries. As far as I am aware, their language is not at all closely related to Spanish and they have their own separate customs and traditions. If Kosovo could become an independent state which is crazy but it did then I don't see why Catalonia couldn't. About the turnout, I think they said that 42% came to vote and 90% voted for independence. Let's look at the case of Montenegrin independence vote. Allegedly, little over 80% of the population voted scoring about 55.5% for yes. That means that less than half of the population voted to secede from Serbia but they still got independence. Lucky them. Granted it had a much bigger turnout and was "perhaps  "more"(not really) representative of the true disposition of the population. Anyway, an independent Catalonia could lead to more calls for independence in Europe and a rise in nationalism across the region. Kind of a positive development in my opinion. Would work against efforts at forging a one world government.

Any change in the borders of a country should concern all the citizens of that country. Catalonia is no exception and it is no ex-USSR/Crimean example. Moreover the turnout in that referendum had very low turnout (ca. 40%). The whole thing seems like a leftist, regionalist plot to weaponize legitimate voting and steal a very wealthy region away from Spain. And then hand it over to Brussels.

Sounds like typical Maidan stuff really, same recipe only some different ingredients.

Stupid beyond belief but ohh well.... these things happen throughout history. Not that it ends well EVER but hey....prisoner of the moment and all of that.