Aircraft Carrier Admiral Kuznetsov: News #1

Aviation group from Admiral Kuznetsov carrier return home in Severomorsk air base.

Now that looks frigging cold

franco wrote:Now that looks frigging cold

And a real test of Russian production quality. Shoddy construction would fail under extreme temperature stresses. But
the average Russia hating fanboi would have no clue. Their wisdom comes from reading internet fora and picking their noses.

I wonder, with all the awe and respect for US aircraft carriers, maybe Russia should build a few and cruise them around just
to scare these peasants.

kvs wrote:

franco wrote:Now that looks frigging cold

And a real test of Russian production quality. Shoddy construction would fail under extreme temperature stresses. But
the average Russia hating fanboi would have no clue. Their wisdom comes from reading internet fora and picking their noses.

I wonder, with all the awe and respect for US aircraft carriers, maybe Russia should build a few and cruise them around just
to scare these peasants.

That is the plan .


Carrier (sky jump) + T-50 + new engine -> full upgrade of the US air defense systems -> 0.5-1% of GDP of the US for 10 years.

One of the MiG-29K landed with 3 drop tanks (1 centerline and 2 on the wings).
So, they took off from the Kuzya with that much weight.

Su-33 b/n 84 have 8 stars marking 80 combat flights.







Some more Su-33 with stars.

Bunch of good shots of K in this, including inside the CIC

via http://nortwolf-sam.livejournal.com/1770267.html

Edit: was going to put the 2nd vid in PtG thread but it hasn't actually got much of PtG, bit more K & aircraft so I guess it should go here

Home at last.

The Russian Admiral Kuznetsov aircraf-carrying cruiser returned from Syria and entered the Kola Bay near the country’s northern port city of Severomorsk on Wednesday, the Russian Defense Ministry said.

SEVEROMORSK (Sputnik) — Residents of Severomorsk gathered at the city’s main square to welcome the carrier’s crew members, who have been on a mission in the Northeast Atlantic and the Mediterranean Sea since October 15, 2016.

On February 9, the crew members will take part in the welcoming ceremony with the participation of representatives of the Russian Navy command, the Northern Fleet command and Murmansk region and Severomorsk city administrations.

Short version



https://sputniknews.com/military/201702081050471393-admiral-kuznetsov-syria-russia/

This is the full 20 minute version (its a bit boring!)

Dunno if anyone else caught it but to help with resupplies to K group & due to absence of an appropriate ship (why I don't understand?) they sent out a floating crane from BSF.
A floating crane thats basically just a pontoon with a crane on it, designed for only port work.

Now there is pics http://nortwolf-sam.livejournal.com/1831982.html



Various new/in-build ships like Proj 23120 will mean its not necessary in future

According to the RNS news agency, the modernization of the only Russian heavy aircraft carrier "Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Kuznetsov" will begin at the end of May at a repair plant in the Murmansk region, it will take almost two years, sources in the shipbuilding industry and the fleet told RNS.

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2493699.html

Refit cost is estimated at 65 billion rubles;

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2496929.html

franco wrote:Refit cost is estimated at 65 billion rubles;

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2496929.html

That sounds quite alot if we take in count they said propulsion and general layout wont be replaced/changed.

franco wrote:Refit cost is estimated at 65 billion rubles;

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2496929.html

Also rumored:


- After modernization Kuznetsov should be in fleet up until 2045.
- Possible Granit refurbishment or replacement with never rocket system.
- Repair of propulsion.
- Flight deck and arresting gear modernization

Militarov wrote:
That sounds quite alot if we take in count they said propulsion and general layout wont be replaced/changed.

They will put 30 billion in research and development of new systems and systems that are not produced in Russia.

A1RMAN wrote:
Also rumored:

- After modernization Kuznetsov should be in fleet up until 2045.
- Possible Granit refurbishment or replacement with never rocket system.
- Repair of propulsion.
- Flight deck and arresting gear modernization

I'd suggest that there is ZERO chance that the K will retain her Granits.  UKSK VLS are a virtual certainty, while new radars and short range SAMs would be very likely.

For sure they will remove them. Their are made to be fired in salvos, if they are planning to remove them from Oscars and Kirovs, 12 of them will be useless on the K. A lonely salvo of 12 Granits won't go through the defences of a carrier group. Fo their size you can put 8 times more UKSK or more space for fighters and missiles storage.

Replacing Granit missiles with UKSK will very increase Kuz fire power, specially if they will be armed with Kalibr LACMs with nuclear warheads.

Big_Gazza wrote:

A1RMAN wrote:
Also rumored:

- After modernization Kuznetsov should be in fleet up until 2045.
- Possible Granit refurbishment or replacement with never rocket system.
- Repair of propulsion.
- Flight deck and arresting gear modernization

I'd suggest that there is ZERO chance that the K will retain her Granits.  UKSK VLS are a virtual certainty, while new radars and short range SAMs would be very likely.

Didnt they say originally they will completely remove anti-ship missiles from Kuz?

Didnt they say originally they will completely remove anti-ship missiles from Kuz?

That's the main and only armement of the ship

Militarov wrote:..........

Didnt they say originally they will completely remove anti-ship missiles from Kuz?

Granits are gone that is for certain (they want to clear that space in the front) but I would bet good money that they will drop couple of UKSKs on it. They are so compact when compared to old stuff that you can easily fit them next to AA missiles in the back with room to spare (AAs are getting replaced too)

My guess, they will go with UKSK / Redut combo.

Isos wrote:

Didnt they say originally they will completely remove anti-ship missiles from Kuz?

That's the main and only armement of the ship

Highly likely that a significant amount of that type of armament will be retained as the ship will need to continue to be legally primarily a heavy cruiser, with a secondary aircraft carrying capability, rather than a full blown aircraft carrier if it is still a requirement for her to enter the Black Sea.

JohninMK wrote:

Isos wrote:

Didnt they say originally they will completely remove anti-ship missiles from Kuz?

That's the main and only armement of the ship

Highly likely that a significant amount of that type of armament will be retained as the ship will need to continue to be legally primarily a heavy cruiser, with a secondary aircraft carrying capability, rather than a full blown aircraft carrier if it is still a requirement for her to enter the Black Sea.

By the book, Kuz even today shouldnt be able to enter Black Sea.

PapaDragon wrote:

My guess, they will go with UKSK / Redut combo.

I wouldn't be shocked if K would be modernized earlier than we'll see Redut.

Militarov wrote:
By the book, Kuz even today shouldnt be able to enter Black Sea.

Given that she is primarily concerned with AA missions to extend air superiority to cover fleet operations, I don't see why the K would ever be needed in the Black Sea.  Russian land-based aviation (and S400 battalions) will meet any conceivable needs that the BSF could ever require.

A1RMAN wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:

My guess, they will go with UKSK / Redut combo.

I wouldn't be shocked if K would be modernized earlier than we'll see Redut.

Oh, ha ha fucking ha.... Redut short & medium range is operational - if they are still having problems, its confined to the long range missiles.