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    INF Treaty - coming to the end of its life

    kvs
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    Post  kvs on Mon Feb 17, 2020 3:10 pm

    George1 wrote:Russia to produce intermediate-range missile in 6 months, depending on US steps — senator

    The senator believes that the option to re-negotiate the INF Treaty persists


    https://tass.com/defense/1120795

    If Russia wants a new treaty, then it better include France and the UK. The previous INF was a sellout that
    allowed NATzO to keep IRBMs (from France and UK) while scrapping all those possessed by the USSR. As if the
    USA was the only country in NATzO with IRBMs.

    The USA uses Chinese strategic missile development as well as development by Iran to argue against the INF.
    This is exactly the argument against France and the UK. So any new INF must destroy all IRBMs possessed by
    NATzO in Europe. France and the UK cannot argue sovereignty since they are part of the NATzO alliance.
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    Post  Hole on Mon Feb 17, 2020 5:42 pm

    Include all NATO states. Otherwise Poland or Romania will receive such missiles.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Mon Feb 17, 2020 5:50 pm

    Hole wrote:Include all NATO states. Otherwise Poland or Romania will receive such missiles.

    Agreed.

    This INF treaty was BS for Russia anyway. They need to start making the new missile now and not wait. USA is already making the missile and Russia knows this. I presume they are making excuses as to why they arent doing it now which is a security issue in itself. I also presume they are saying this while they already have a missile or are in the process of making one that would deal with this issue.

    I still think the Kalibr mobile launcher with 6 ready to fire missiles is the best option. Or fit it somehow with Yakhont missiles
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Feb 18, 2020 6:51 am

    A proliferation of IRBMs and cruise missiles of intermediate range is no problem for Russia... they have already spent the money developing the sensors to detect such attacks and the missiles to deal with them... it is Europe that is in the shit over this... Russia should not sign anything.
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    Post  George1 on Tue Feb 18, 2020 1:17 pm

    MIRM medium-range ballistic missile development program to be discontinued in the US

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3936488.html
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Thu Jun 11, 2020 12:34 am

    Don't tell me the Trump administration is this stupid? (mods please don't remove this post, it's indirectly relevant to the discussion)

    Mexico's popular President AMLO, the nation's first left-wing leader in over 5 decades, has just exposed a right-wing plot to try to remove him from power

    Documents show opposition groups are conspiring together, with foreign support, to try to unseat him

    https://twitter.com/BenjaminNorton/status/1270513376159023104

    It's relevant here because if Trump is trying to wage a coup in Mexico, and if it fails you know who Obrador will turn too to prevent any future coups. If he's smart he'll contact Russia/China to prevent this crisis. Trumps 1st term has been extremely hostile towards Mexico, and with the current Covid crisis border trade between US/MX suffered heavily, and Trump might really be pushing his luck if he decides to start sanctioning MX if they refuse to kowtow. Such a hostile response may see MX be driven in to strategic relationships with Russia in the military sphere (S-400's in Monterrey), and with the looming IRBM crisis, we can all understand securing the southern border is pivotal.
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    Post  GarryB on Thu Jun 11, 2020 5:54 am

    The trump method seems to be to blunder in and rip up all existing agreements blaming everyone else that they are not working... even though they were and then try to rewrite a new deal that is more favourable to the US.

    He is great at ripping up agreements but poor at establishing new ones... after calling your enemy rocket man, how do you then sell an agreement with them?

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