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    Post  ALAMO Fri Feb 10, 2023 2:02 pm

    You are both right. That is why peaks in nuclear tests were usually connected with the technological progress of nuclear weapons.
    The generation that we have now was not further developed due to the lack of needs.
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    Post  GarryB Sat Feb 11, 2023 2:05 am

    I would disagree that the nuclear warheads in Russian nukes are the same as 40 years ago... new requirements for small compact but still powerful warheads means different design solutions and of course for new doomsday weapons an overly powerful weapon would be useful for putting on the Poseidon drone.

    Previous restrictions on nuclear warhead design was... will it be air droppable, can it fit into an aircraft bomb bay, will it fit on a reentry vehicle warhead on the end of a missile, will it fit inside the shell case of a 152mm artillery shell.

    Well current questions are, how many can we pack into a SLBM or an ICBM or a long range cruise missile, but also how much raw power can we fit into a super sized torpedo called Poseidon and perhaps how many small nukes can we fit into thunderbird for it to deliver on its travels.

    New technology and new materials and new ideas might make some things that were not possible before possible now, but how do you check they actually work?

    BTW it wasn't that long ago that the Americans were talking about lifting the ban because they wanted dedicated penetrating bunker buster munitions and realised the only reliably way to achieve the effect they wanted (ie create an earthquake to collapse tunnels and bunkers over a large area) was with nuclear warheads.

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    Post  Podlodka77 Sat Feb 11, 2023 11:33 am

    here is a good text for you...

    RIA Novosti
    11.02.2023;
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    "They can solve everything in a couple of minutes." Which country has the most nuclear missiles?

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    Demonstration of tests of the Sarmat strategic missile system. Archive photo

    MOSCOW, February 11 - RIA Novosti. At the end of January, the doomsday clock was moved forward by ten seconds. Now they show 90 seconds to "nuclear midnight". All because of increased talk about the use of atomic weapons. Which countries are "keeping gunpowder dry" against the backdrop of a growing escalation - in the material of RIA Novosti.

    League of Extraordinary Gentlemen

    Now the nuclear club includes nine states, which are usually divided into old and new. The first include the five permanent members of the UN Security Council and the victors in World War II - the United States, Russia, Great Britain, France and China.
    These countries managed to acquire retaliatory weapons before the adoption of a key document - the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, which entered into force in 1970. Over time, 190 independent states joined it and still observe it.

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    Launch of the intercontinental ballistic missile RS-24 "Yars"

    Only five countries refused to do so: India, Israel, Pakistan, North Korea (North Korea initially supported the treaty, but then withdrew from it) and South Sudan. All of them, with the exception of the young African state, also acquired a non-peaceful atom.
    At the same time, Tel Aviv has never officially recognized its existence.

    Parity leaders


    Russia and the United States are the only ones who officially possess a full-fledged nuclear triad: intercontinental ballistic missiles, strategic aircraft capable of delivering weapons of mass destruction strikes, and submarines with submarine-launched ballistic missiles.
    Moscow and Washington, according to experts from the Stockholm Peace Research Institute (SIPRI), accounted for 90 percent of all stockpiles of nuclear weapons in the world by January 2022:


       deployed warheads: USA - 1744, Russia - 1588;
       —
       warheads in storage: Russia - 2889, USA - 1964;
       —
       the total number of warheads in service: Russia - 4477, USA - 3708;
       —
       the total number of warheads, taking into account those awaiting disposal: Russia - 5977, USA - 5428.

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    American B-52 strategic bomber with AGM-28 Hound Dog cruise missiles on board

    Lagging behind and catching up


    Third place is questionable. Previously, it was occupied by France - the exact number of charges in service with the Fifth Republic is unknown. According to President Emmanuel Macron, there are "less than 300". Paris has sea and air carriers, previously there was also a land component of the nuclear triad, but in 1996 it was decided to deactivate medium-range ballistic missiles. The process took two years.
    There is also no exact data on Chinese nuclear weapons. SIPRI believes that Beijing managed to bypass Paris and make 350 warheads. At the same time, the Pentagon announced back in November 2021 that China managed to create a full-fledged nuclear triad.

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    Chinese solid-propellant intercontinental ballistic missile "Dongfeng-41" at the parade in Beijing

    They do not want to stop there - by 2035, the Celestial Empire can produce about one and a half thousand warheads, which will allow it to achieve parity with the United States and Russia.
    The UK has more modest reserves:
    *    120 deployed warheads;
    *    another 60 are in storage;
    *     in total, including those awaiting disposal - 225.

    Pakistan has close capabilities with India - 165 and 160 warheads, respectively. According to SIPRI, Israel is armed with 90 warheads, while experts estimate the stocks of North Korea at 20 warheads.

    Reasons for concern

    The report of the American "Bulletin of Atomic Scientists" notes that the threat of a collision between nuclear powers is now more acute than ever - this is evidenced by both the hostilities near the Chernobyl and Zaporozhye nuclear power plants and "the degradation of the Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty (START III)" - the last nuclear détente agreement in force. It is it that ensures parity between Moscow and Washington and still remains in force. But there are difficulties.

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    Strategic missile system with a mobile-based intercontinental ballistic missile PGRK "Yars"

    In early February, Russian Ambassador to the United States Anatoly Antonov said that Moscow considered it inappropriate to invite American inspectors to verify compliance with the two countries' latest active nuclear defusing agreement. According to the diplomat, such a decision is the result of a hybrid war unleashed by the West against Russia.

    The presence of US WMD in Europe, which is contrary to the NPT, does not help the de-escalation either. For example, 150 American B61 tactical thermonuclear aerial bombs are stored at bases in Germany, Belgium, the Netherlands, Italy and Turkey. Moreover, now they are being changed to the updated B62-12.

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    Post  PapaDragon Sat Feb 11, 2023 2:52 pm


    Nuclear test is long overdue

    I just hope these morons will not be doing it on their own territory, it would defeat the whole point to say nothing of polluting their own country




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    Post  mnztr Sat Apr 29, 2023 8:49 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Nuclear test is long overdue

    I just hope these morons will not be doing it on their own territory, it would defeat the whole point to say nothing of polluting their own country





    Is there anywhere on the finish border and baltic state borders that is suitable? Also in kaliningrad ?
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    Post  PapaDragon Sat Apr 29, 2023 11:48 pm

    mnztr wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Nuclear test is long overdue

    I just hope these morons will not be doing it on their own territory, it would defeat the whole point to say nothing of polluting their own country

    Is there anywhere on the finish border and baltic state borders that is suitable? Also in kaliningrad ?

    Too close, defeats the whole purpose

    Central Atlantic or East Pacific

    Wait for wind to be just right

    Make sure it's steamed live



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    Post  mnztr Sun Apr 30, 2023 1:11 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    mnztr wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Nuclear test is long overdue

    I just hope these morons will not be doing it on their own territory, it would defeat the whole point to say nothing of polluting their own country

    Is there anywhere on the finish border and baltic state borders that is suitable? Also in kaliningrad ?

    Too close, defeats the whole purpose

    Central Atlantic or East Pacific

    Wait for wind to be just right

    Make sure it's steamed live



    It would be perfectly adequate to do underground tests. Announce it. Start drilling the tunnels. Give them lots of time to come to their senses. Open to negotiating a new security architecture based on mutual security, if not Europe will get repeated and regular reminders of the power of nuclear weapons.
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    Post  PapaDragon Sun Apr 30, 2023 4:44 am


    No country would let foreign military test nukes on their territory, not even underground




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    Post  mnztr Sun Apr 30, 2023 5:53 am

    On the border, in russian territory. Maybe 200m in.
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    Post  PhSt Sun Apr 30, 2023 5:58 am

    I wanted to ask this question for quite some time, is there a Russian equivalent to the US W88 nuke warhead?

    Apparently, the W88 packs a 475 kiloton yield while small enough to fit in mirved missiles, while similar-sized Russian warheads only have 100-150 yield.

    So, is this just another NATzO propaganda? What are your thoughts?
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    Post  owais.usmani Sun Apr 30, 2023 10:28 am

    PhSt wrote:I wanted to ask this question for quite some time, is there a Russian equivalent to the US W88 nuke warhead?

    Apparently, the W88 packs a 475 kiloton yield while small enough to fit in mirved missiles, while similar-sized Russian warheads only have 100-150 yield.

    So, is this just another NATzO propaganda? What are your thoughts?

    I think the MIRV warheads of RS-24 Yars have a 300KT yield, so they are quite similar.
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    Post  Arrow Sun Apr 30, 2023 11:06 am

    Russia does not have the equivalent of the W 88 warhead on SLBM naval missiles. Warheads with a lower force of 100-150-200kT are used. These are more equivalent to W-76. Currently, it's hard to say anything about the parameters of the new Russian warheads, for example, for the Bulava SLBM. These are brand new loads. As for the MIRV warheads, the USSR already had the equivalent of W88 or W-87 on their ICBMs. For example, 15F444 warheads on RT--23 missiles. They have a power of about 400KT, some sources suggest even 500kT and are supposedly even more compact than W-87 or W-88. Generally, russian nuclear warheads are similar in size and power to american ones. Little is known about the new russian warheads for Bulava or Yars and Sarmat. Russia also has a much heavier MIRV for the R-36M2 with a power of about 750kT.

    Visible MIRV warheads on an RT-23 missile that carries a 10MIRV of approximately 400kT

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    Post  PapaDragon Sun Apr 30, 2023 4:13 pm

    mnztr wrote:On the border, in russian territory. Maybe 200m in.

    200 meters could make sense but only if it's above ground

    Also, underground tests don't result in cool videos



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    Post  mnztr Sun Apr 30, 2023 9:12 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    mnztr wrote:On the border, in russian territory. Maybe 200m in.

    200 meters could make sense but only if it's above ground

    Also, underground tests don't result in cool videos




    Above ground is too damaging for the environment. You don't need videos when the ground is shaking.
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    Post  PapaDragon Sun Apr 30, 2023 9:21 pm

    mnztr wrote:
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    mnztr wrote:On the border, in russian territory. Maybe 200m in.

    200 meters could make sense but only if it's above ground

    Also, underground tests don't result in cool videos

    Above ground is too damaging for the environment. You don't need videos when the ground is shaking.

    Of course it's damaging for the environment, that's why you make sure it's as far away from your territory as possible or at least close to enemies in order to share the fun

    If you fire one off underground maybe couple of thousand people will notice, above ground everyone with internet will notice, even retarded ones who are the main target audience

    Everyone had plenty of warning and this is the age of breaking old taboos so do it right or don't do it at all










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    Post  mnztr Mon May 01, 2023 12:48 am

    PhSt wrote:I wanted to ask this question for quite some time, is there a Russian equivalent to the US W88 nuke warhead?

    Apparently, the W88 packs a 475 kiloton yield while small enough to fit in mirved missiles, while similar-sized Russian warheads only have 100-150 yield.

    So, is this just another NATzO propaganda? What are your thoughts?

    Whats the big deal of making a more powerful thermonuclear warhead? Isn't it just a matter of adding a bit more tritium or deutrium? The amount of material that is actually fused in miniscule. So to go from 150 KT to 500KT is really not significant in terms of warhead size.

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    Post  franco Mon Jun 12, 2023 11:56 am

    The Stockholm Peace Research Institute (SIPRI) has published a report stating that nuclear powers are increasing the number of deployed nuclear warheads. As of January 2023, out of 12,512 nuclear warheads, approximately 9,576 were in storage for potential use, an increase of 86 from January 2022, according to the think tank.

    Approximately 3,844 warheads (40%) were reported to have been mounted on missiles and aircraft, and about 2,000 (most of them belong to the Russian Federation or the United States) were on high alert - they were equipped with missiles or they were placed at air bases with strategic bombers .

    "Nine nuclear states - the US, Russia, Britain, France, China, India, Pakistan, North Korea and Israel - continue to modernize their nuclear arsenals," the organization's report says.

    It is noted that last year some countries deployed new weapons systems with nuclear warheads or capable of carrying them. Thus, as of January of this year, Washington increased the number of deployed warheads to 1,770 units (in 2022 it was 1,744), and Moscow - to 1,674 units (last year it was 1,588). London and Paris have the same number of nuclear warheads: 120 and 280, respectively.

    According to SIPRI, the total number of warheads, including those decommissioned from the United States of America, is 5244 (against 5428 last year), Russia - 5889 (against 5977 in 2022).

    Earlier, Russian presidential spokesman Dmitry Peskov, commenting on statements by US national security adviser Jake Sullivan about new arms control efforts, said that Moscow considers it extremely important to talk with Washington about nuclear weapons. The Kremlin spokesman focused on the need to understand how the proposal of the American side would be formulated.

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    Post  PhSt Mon Aug 28, 2023 3:26 am

    Just an idea that I happen to come up today, because NATO has an addiction to expansion, Russia needs to update its nuclear weapons doctrine where the number of its strategic and tactical nukes will depend on the size of a hostile military block, in this case NATO. The Idea is simple. lets say Russia alots 5000 nukes for the US, 5000 nukes for Canada, maybe 2000 nukes for the UK because of its small size, so on and so forth. Then, because Finland had expanded NATO territory, Russia will have to add another 5000 nukes to its arsenal for use against Finland.

    And the 5000 nukes per country is not an exaggeration. Its important for Russia to turn the planet into a powder keg to ensure its survival. Guaranteed Extinction of NATO is essential.

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    Post  lyle6 Mon Aug 28, 2023 1:37 pm

    The US has no active fissile material reprocessing capability since the 1990s so all their nuclear warheads have steadily decreased in yield over the years. The sitting US president also cancelled the plans to reacquire this capability.

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    Post  kvs Mon Aug 28, 2023 2:20 pm

    I am suspicious about this. The self-anointed masters of the universe would not allow such a degradation of a key tool of power.
    So we are not getting the real story about US warhead manufacturing and nuclear reprocessing capacity.

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    Post  Arrow Mon Aug 28, 2023 2:24 pm

    fissile materials do not age as quickly in nuclear weapons. Plutonium and its decay products can be deployed in warheads for more than 60 years. Instead, they must replenish the tritium in the first stage booster.

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    Post  GarryB Tue Aug 29, 2023 3:16 am

    This thread is about strategic nuclear forces, for attacking Finland or Poland they wont need strategic nukes... nukes on top of Iskander and short range cruise missiles will suffice and there is no limit on theatre nukes.
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    Post  lyle6 Tue Aug 29, 2023 7:20 am

    kvs wrote:I am suspicious about this.   The self-anointed masters of the universe would not allow such a degradation of a key tool of power.
    So we are not getting the real story about US warhead manufacturing and nuclear reprocessing capacity.  
    Is it? The state of the US now does not inspire confidence that the people in charge are conscious stewards of the country and its potential. The opposite really.

    Arrow wrote:fissile materials do not age as quickly in nuclear weapons. Plutonium and its decay products can be deployed in warheads for more than 60 years. Instead, they must replenish the tritium in the first stage booster.
    And how do you think tritium is produced in the first place?

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    Post  Arrow Tue Aug 29, 2023 8:06 am

    And how do you think tritium is produced in the first place wrote:

    In nuclear reactors with lithium6.

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    Post  lyle6 Tue Aug 29, 2023 9:37 am

    Arrow wrote:
    In nuclear reactors with lithium6.
    You're so close. Like index finger and thumb close that you can't fit a paper close.

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