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    Russian Strategic Nuclear Forces (Nuclear Triad-Warheads)

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    Post  The-thing-next-door Mon May 16, 2022 12:30 pm

    Is there any indication that the Russians will move towards large numbers of cobalt bombs to try and counter the overwhelming numbers of nato forces?
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    Post  lancelot Mon May 16, 2022 12:57 pm

    The whole idea of using cobalt bombs is kind of overblown. AFAIK Russia has no such weapons.
    They are possible to do but no one is doing it.
    That would basically be a hydrogen bomb with a cobalt tamper. The cobalt gets irradiated on detonation and becomes radioactive.

    And against military purposes they make no sense. That is a large scale population destruction weapon.
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    Post  TMA1 Mon May 16, 2022 1:02 pm

    Yeah no need for those. Russians are solving these issues with their novel delivery methods. Autonomous torpedoes and hypersonics both with nuclear warheads. Hypersonics with nuke warheads would be used as decapitators and the poseidon would be used as deterrence to defend against decapitation strikes.
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    Post  The-thing-next-door Mon May 16, 2022 3:16 pm

    The Russians need to wipe out european nato in order to ensure that they will not pose a threat to Russia's recovery, hence cobalt bombs become practical.
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    Post  GarryB Tue May 17, 2022 6:02 am

    The west itself is struggling to find ways of putting up barriers to trade and relations with Russia... Russia just has to let them keep doing that... borders will be closed and likely embassies will be closed too.

    Eventually most trade will cease, forcing Russia to look to the rest of the world for trade and relations which will be good for Russia and the rest of the world.

    The west hates Russia and wants Russians to be brutally murdered or killed by bio weapons so Russia is not losing in this break in relations... its defence needs in the west become very simple... they don't need lots of soldiers but well trained soldiers will be important, they will have lots of tactical nukes.

    Put them on drones and they are no longer weapons and being theatre weapons they wont count under and START like agreement with the US.

    Nuking europe sounds like a solution but the response will damage Russia in ways the west could never manage with economics and politics alone, so it is a defence for Russia but not something they would do if they got a choice.

    Of course the US is dumb enough to give them no choice like they have in the Ukraine.

    The west has been economically attacking countries around the world for centuries... will be nice to see them deal with some of the economic pain they are happy to inflict on countries they don't like.
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    Post  franco Sun Jun 05, 2022 2:11 pm


    ☢Estimation of the number of nuclear charges in the world as of February 2022

    https://twitter.com/AZmilitary1/status/1533246474301198336/photo/1

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    Post  11E Sun Jun 05, 2022 9:35 pm

    The-thing-next-door wrote:The Russians need to wipe out european nato in order to ensure that they will not pose a threat to Russia's recovery, hence cobalt bombs become practical.

    Why would you bomb the unfriendly neighbours with a weapon blowing huge amounts of Cobalt-60 in the atmosphere which even after more than 50 years lead to a 10 MSv/hr dose and taking in account that the dominating winds are from west to east?

    As if you are not death enough from a million degrees Celsius, the enormous over-pressure, the normal direct radiation and the 1000's of tons radioactive soil blow up in the air in case of a normal fission or fusion ground explosion.

    Sincerely,
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    BTW IIRC the tank in your avatar was especially designed to survive nearby nuclear blasts... Cool

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    Post  GarryB Mon Jun 06, 2022 4:18 am

    Yes, it makes more sense to do taht sort of stuff well away from your own country... places like the US coastline in the Atlantic or Pacific with long range underwater drones or nuclear powered long range cruise missiles.

    Adding cobolt to a bomb basically adds a material that will absorb enormous amounts of radiation and then release it over an extended period in dangerous concentrations.

    Going the other way with neutron bombs that emit enormous levels of radiation and less kinetic energy so they knock down fewer buildings but irradiate people to much greater distances including those who might have found light cover already.

    I suspect new START will not be replaced at all and the US will think they can bankrupt Russia by mass producing lots of new nukes... they can blame it all on Putin for this hostile act of forcing them in to all these sanctions that will lead to breaking a lot of international organisations... but of course what it might really do is break western control of said international organisations and systems... for example SWIFT... they clearly have too much control because banning Russia from that made little sense economically for the majority... but the US has control and they used (abused) their power.

    The act of using that power however weakened SWIFT and created a situation where alternatives to SWIFT were not only desirable but actually necessary... the fact that they had been threatening it for years meant alternatives had been set up and put in place so it wasn't the game changer the west was expecting... all it achieved was to force countries that want to buy from Russia or don't want but have no choice like Germany and gas, to explore joining the new Russian bypass for the sanctions imposed by the west.

    The net result is that they look silly, and they have weakened the tool they use as a weapon... a use for which it was not intended except in western back rooms perhaps.

    Russia has an opportunity to create better alternatives and to get potential business partners to join with the promise these new systems wont be used to bully or control... just to transfer money like they were supposed to... I can see that appealing to a lot of countries who are tired of US bullying... even countries counted as being in the west get bullied.

    BTW I don't want to see the US and the west destroyed, but it can't go on the way it is currently going.... they need to grow up and actually find some real ethics and morals and actually apply them to their own actions and policies instead of just keeping them in a drawer and pulling them out to judge other countries who never signed up for such rules in the first place.
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    Post  Big_Gazza Mon Jun 06, 2022 10:27 am

    GarryB wrote:Going the other way with neutron bombs that emit enormous levels of radiation and less kinetic energy so they knock down fewer buildings but irradiate people to much greater distances including those who might have found light cover already.

    Neutron bombs are the military equivalent of IMF austerity programs.

    They kill the people but leave the buildings standing. Laughing

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    Post  The-thing-next-door Mon Jun 06, 2022 7:20 pm

    11E wrote:

    Why would you bomb the unfriendly neighbours with a weapon blowing huge amounts of Cobalt-60 in the atmosphere which even after more than 50 years lead to a 10 MSv/hr dose and taking in account that the dominating winds are from west to east?

    As if you are not death enough from a million degrees Celsius, the enormous over-pressure, the normal direct radiation and the 1000's of tons radioactive soil blow up in the air in case of a normal fission or fusion ground explosion.

    Sincerely,
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    If a little cobalt 60 blowing in is a problem then they can use a few thousand conventional nuclear weapons on eastern europe and cobalts on everything else. The bottom line is as long as nato exists it will be hostile.
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    Post  GarryB Tue Jun 07, 2022 8:27 am

    Killing everyone that is part of HATO is not practical because the immediate response will be their attempt to kill everyone in Russia... now if you are Skynet that might sound like a great idea with no bad sides, but for Russia and Russians it would make things rather worse than they are right now... which are actually good.

    In the past the west was rich and Russia was struggling with the basics and imported most of the stuff they needed which was obviously a problem.

    But the west is actually smoke and mirrors rich where they add loans to the income side of the ledger when they should be a reduction in terms of assets... you can't borrow money based on money you have in the bank that is already loaned money...

    Russia does not need to destroy the west... the west is not Russias problem... with the stupidity of the west sanctions and other bullshit coming from the west and those that suck up to them the west is initiating a break a severing of ties from Russia with the only remaining trade or links being things the west can't do without... so when Russia gets to decide on its retaliation for all this bullshit from the west it is going to be plainly obvious what ties the west knows will hurt them the most and Russia not much or none at all, so those links will be easy to cut... even before alternatives have been found and put in place.

    Russia does need to cut cultural and political ties with the west to prevent infiltration and subversion... something the west does everywhere... but in a hissy fit the west will likely do that for them with banning everything to do with Russia and Russians anyway.

    The west are doing all the separation that Russia needs to protect Russia from the evil of the west.

    Even if Russia keeps selling gas and oil to the west.... that is fine... a seriously damaged west would be terribly dangerous to everyone... let the people in the west work out what the problems are and sort them out for themselves.

    It is not Russias place to be the world police.

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    Post  The-thing-next-door Wed Jun 08, 2022 9:58 am

    GarryB wrote:Killing everyone that is part of HATO is not practical because the immediate response will be their attempt to kill everyone in Russia... now if you are Skynet that might sound like a great idea with no bad sides, but for Russia and Russians it would make things rather worse than they are right now... which are actually good.

    With Russia's rapidly improving defence systems and the west's decline, I doubt that they could do much in retaliation.

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