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    Re: T-72 ΜΒΤ: Μodernisation and Variants

    Post  Cyberspec on Sat Sep 03, 2011 1:44 pm

    Austin wrote:As per the news I gathered from MP.net the T-72A and B are being upgraded to T-72BA standard , More details here

    http://www.otvaga2004.narod.ru/xlopotov_8/tank_t72ba_01.htm

    Yes that's been going on for several years already....it's a budget upgrade of the old T-72's.

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    Re: T-72 ΜΒΤ: Μodernisation and Variants

    Post  Austin on Sat Sep 03, 2011 2:02 pm

    How many are planned to be upgraded to BA standard ?

    Can you just list out in English the key parameters of BA upgrade the translation is a pain.

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    Re: T-72 ΜΒΤ: Μodernisation and Variants

    Post  Cyberspec on Sat Sep 03, 2011 2:44 pm

    Austin wrote:How many are planned to be upgraded to BA standard ?

    Can you just list out in English the key parameters of BA upgrade the translation is a pain.

    I have to hit the sack cause I'm working tomorrow morning...I'll see what I can do tommorow night (my time)

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    Re: T-72 ΜΒΤ: Μodernisation and Variants

    Post  GarryB on Sun Sep 04, 2011 5:37 am

    AFAIK... and it is not easy considering all the conflicting comments in public, they said... before the T-95 was cancelled that their intention was to have an operational force of about 2,000 Tanks, and a reserve of 5-6,000 tanks.
    Their plan was to have as many as 1,000 of those 2,000 operational tanks T-95s but the main force of the rest of the tanks will be T-90s as the back bone and upgraded T-72s as the reserve.

    Now whether they will just swap the T-95 with the Armata, or whether they will swap the Armata AND increase the number of upgraded T-72s is hard to tell.

    They complain now about the cost of a T-90AM, but how much will Armata cost?

    The best way to deal with expensive tanks is not to buy them 30 at a time, but to bite the bullet and order 500 over a longer delivery period. This gives the makers more financial security... when they go to the bank for a loan an order of 30 tanks for this year is not that useful when you need a new machine worth millions of dollars to increase productivity in your factory. An order for 500 tanks on the other hand, a purchase of a million dollar machine that will improve production performance suddenly becomes more viable because time and money saved in production might pay for the item in that order alone... whereas an order for 30 vehicles might require ten similar such orders to pay for it and the company has to have those orders before bankers will listen.

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    T-72 Modernization

    Post  Austin on Sun Sep 04, 2011 12:22 pm

    Cyberspec wrote:
    Austin wrote:How many are planned to be upgraded to BA standard ?

    Can you just list out in English the key parameters of BA upgrade the translation is a pain.

    I have to hit the sack cause I'm working tomorrow morning...I'll see what I can do tommorow night (my time)

    Ok when ever you can , Much Appreciate Thanks.

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    Re: T-72 ΜΒΤ: Μodernisation and Variants

    Post  Cyberspec on Mon Sep 05, 2011 3:01 am

    On the T-72BA (info is from the Otvaga link above. Summary of main points)

    The first series of modernized tanks (1998-2000 ) were equipped with "Contact-1" ERA, the 1A40-1 FCS and wind sensor. A block interface is responsible for integrating this sensor into the FCS. The 1A40-1 FCS provides fully automatic operation, but the full input of corrections still remained manual.


    ......


    Later in the T-72BA began to install "Contact-5" ERA and modernized FCS 1A40-1M produced by "Zenith" - Kranogorsk.

    Features of the modernized FCS are:

    • a tank ballistic computer

    • Integration of wind sensor: data on lateral wind, roll, angular speed of target and deviation of initial speed of projectiles;

    • Automatic entry of aiming angles and lateral lead by the main gun and coaxial machine gun;

    • semi-automatic tracking of a moving target;

    •  target info is visible on the commander’s sight.


    The FCS 1A40 and 1A40-1M includes the missile launching system "Svir" with the 9M119 and 9M119M missiles. Guided missile guidance device is built into the periscope of the passive-active night sight 1K13-49.


    ........


    In 2005, after successive modifications introduced into service and started installing sighting system 1A40-M2.

    The gun stabilisation system 2E42-4 "Jasmine" replaced the older models 2E28M and 2E42-2. It’s electrically driven and provides median accuracy 0.4 in the horizontal and 0.6 in the vertical plane.



    The whole process of repairs and modernization is approximately as follows:

    1. Delivery of the parts and machinery at the plant
    2. Unloading
    3. Draining the fuel, oils and other liquids
    4. Complete dismantling
    5. Fault detection of components and assemblies
    6. Sand blasting
    7. Further development of housing for installation of the engine, transmission, drive control systems and engine
    8. Refinement of the turret for installation of FCS, guns, modified autoloader
    9. Application of paint
    10. Repair of components and assemblies
    11. Manufacture and purchase of new components and assemblies

    12. Installation of systems, components and assemblies (both new and rebuilt) in the chassis:
    • completion and installation of upgraded transmission and internal gears;
    • Installation of a new or rebuilt engine;
    • Installation of new transmission;
    • installation of new engine systems;
    • new drive control;
    • Installing a new running components;
    • Installation of new wiring and electrical equipment;
    • Installation of fire suppression systems;
    • new means of communication;
    • installation of new automatic loader, etc. etc.

    13. Installation of systems, components and assemblies (both new and rebuilt) in and on  the turret :
    • installation and lining;
    • Installation of weapons;
    • installation of FCS elements;
    • Installation of new means of communication, etc. etc.

    14. Installation of the turret on the body
    15. Installation of ERA elements
    16. Setting up and check
    17. Paint
    18. Routine tests
    19. Shipping



    As for T-72BA numbers it's hard to find accurate numbers but several hundred so far is a reasonable guess. It's been seen in various units in different parts of the country

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    On the T-72BA (info is from the Otvaga link above)

    Post  Austin on Tue Sep 06, 2011 6:30 am

    Cyberspec wrote:As for T-72BA numbers it's hard to find accurate numbers but several hundred so far is a reasonable guess. It's been seen in various units in different parts of the country

    Much appreciate for posting that up , the BA looks like a fine upgrade specially because they can now fire the missile.

    I think T-72 has till a good amount of life left and depending on the upgrade it is given the T-72 can last more than a decade or two.

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    Τ-72 video

    Post  Austin on Wed Dec 07, 2011 7:20 pm

    TR1 I saw that video before on his blog its good.

    makes an interesting read ,use translator

    T-72 - survival in battle

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    Is there anything known about state order for tanks for 2012?

    Post  medo on Sat Jan 14, 2012 12:51 pm

    Is there anything known about state order for tanks for 2012? Will they only repair and modernize T-72 tanks or build some new ones. Or will they build some new supporting tanks, like Tos, IMR, BMR, BMO-T, bridge layers, etc?

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    Re: T-72 ΜΒΤ: Μodernisation and Variants

    Post  TheArmenian on Sat Jan 14, 2012 7:16 pm

    medo wrote:Is there anything known about state order for tanks for 2012? Will they only repair and modernize T-72 tanks or build some new ones. Or will they build some new supporting tanks, like Tos, IMR, BMR, BMO-T, bridge layers, etc?

    Don't know about builing new tanks for the Army, but I remember a recent article about acquiring upgraded TOS-1 Buratinos. Unfortunately I don't remeber where I read that Sad

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    Re: T-72 ΜΒΤ: Μodernisation and Variants

    Post  TR1 on Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:40 am

    UOMZ has a contract right now for 330 T-72 modernizations over 3 years.

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    Re: T-72 ΜΒΤ: Μodernisation and Variants

    Post  Austin on Sun Jan 15, 2012 7:32 am

    TR1 wrote:UOMZ has a contract right now for 330 T-72 modernizations over 3 years.

    More details on the modernisation of Russian T-72 in english ?

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    Is there anything known about state order for tanks for 2012? Will they only repair and modernize T-72 tanks or build some new ones. Or will they build some new supporting tanks, like Tos, IMR, BMR, BMO-T, bridge layers, etc?

    Post  TR1 on Sun Jan 15, 2012 8:12 pm

    Austin wrote:
    TR1 wrote:UOMZ has a contract right now for 330 T-72 modernizations over 3 years.

    More details on the modernisation of Russian T-72 in english ?

    That is the one I posted about a little while ago (with info from GurKhanAttacks):
    Sosna-U fire control
    1000 hp V92S2
    Upgraded chassis
    *New auto loader that accommodates 740mm long ammo
    Thermal Displays for both Commander and Gunner
    K-5 ERA. Layout is meh. Don't know why the continue with IR searchlight.


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    All Russian tank units in Chechnya have received T-72BMs.

    Post  TR1 on Tue Jan 24, 2012 9:01 pm

    http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20120123/546698061.html

    All Russian tank units in Chechnya have received T-72BMs.

    Thats 3 battalions, 41 tanks each = 123 T-72BM.

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    Re: T-72 ΜΒΤ: Μodernisation and Variants

    Post  TR1 on Thu Feb 16, 2012 7:33 pm

    Conflicting report about T-72 modernization from Tagil. Earlier we heard about 330unit/3 years contract. Now info has been floated about a contract signed for 170 units, for the price of 6 billion rubles. Sounds about right, given that the 1/3rd the cost of a T-90A figure has been stated before.

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    Re: T-72 ΜΒΤ: Μodernisation and Variants

    Post  Viktor on Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:36 pm

    TR1 wrote:Conflicting report about T-72 modernization from Tagil. Earlier we heard about 330unit/3 years contract. Now info has been floated about a contract signed for 170 units, for the price of 6 billion rubles. Sounds about right, given that the 1/3rd the cost of a T-90A figure has been stated before.

    Btw .. about 330 units - wasnt that about tanks/ifv etc all included?

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    Re: T-72 ΜΒΤ: Μodernisation and Variants

    Post  TR1 on Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:58 pm

    Gur Khan mentioned the 330 unit order earlier, just for T-72BM. I am curious how many years the 170 is over. 1 or 2 years, solid number. 3 , not so much.

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    Conflicting report about T-72 modernization

    Post  GarryB on Fri Feb 17, 2012 12:49 am

    Actually a 330 T-72 upgrade order is not as bad as it sounds... in 3 years time they will have orders for Armata, and if Armata is expensive then they might have a mixed order for T-90AM and Armata to replace the older vehicles in the fleet.

    They have about 2,000 T-80s, perhaps they might be going for 1,000 upgraded T-72s and the rest T-90AM/S/etc and Armatas?

    It doesn't make sense to produce an enormous number of T-72s now because the definitive replacement is on its way. Having said that, you want your troops to have experience in tanks with modern TI and battle management systems and comms.

    There were reports that some T-80s were going to the Navy.

    I guess it all comes down to the cost of Armata... it is good to hear that UVZ is keeping busy however because production capacity will be needed after 2015.

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    130 T-72B have arrived at Uralvagonzavod for modernization, under the 2012 GOZ.

    Post  TR1 on Thu Mar 08, 2012 8:25 pm

    http://topwar.ru/12161-na-uralvagonzavod-postupilo-okolo-130-tankov-t-72b-dlya-proizvodstva-kapitalnogo-remonta-s-provedeniem-modernizacii.html

    130 T-72B have arrived at Uralvagonzavod for modernization, under the 2012 GOZ.

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    Re: T-72 ΜΒΤ: Μodernisation and Variants

    Post  TR1 on Fri Apr 27, 2012 12:02 am

    Good photos of Sosna-U installation in a T-72 tank - presumably the same as the currently modernized BA examples.
    http://vsr.mil.by/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/171_15.jpg
    You can see below it the Thermal sight.

    http://vsr.mil.by/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/171_14.jpg

    http://vsr.mil.by/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/171_16.jpg


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    Re: T-72 ΜΒΤ: Μodernisation and Variants

    Post  GarryB on Fri Apr 27, 2012 1:27 am

    Nice.


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    Re: T-72 ΜΒΤ: Μodernisation and Variants

    Post  TR1 on Mon Aug 06, 2012 9:00 pm

    http://gurkhan.blogspot.ca/2012/08/1-72.html

    Good comparison of Abrams and T-72 hull sides...and not one that goes in the favor of the Abrams.

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    Post  Dima on Mon Aug 06, 2012 10:01 pm

    ^^^
    Good one.

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    Re: T-72 ΜΒΤ: Μodernisation and Variants

    Post  Stealthflanker on Tue Aug 07, 2012 8:38 am

    TR1 wrote:http://gurkhan.blogspot.ca/2012/08/1-72.html

    Good comparison of Abrams and T-72 hull sides...and not one that goes in the favor of the Abrams.

    nice find..

    However the fact that all things that i might need there such as this



    Are in Russians Sad

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    Re: T-72 ΜΒΤ: Μodernisation and Variants

    Post  TR1 on Tue Aug 07, 2012 8:44 am

    Well those are sort of arbitrary values, I would not put too much emphasis on them .

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