Russian Navy: Status and News #5

So any chance of getting back to talking about news about Navy here?

PapaDragon wrote:
So any chance of getting back to talking about news about Navy here?

Yes, I am done but Garry may say everything is in context.

It is the only Russian carrier and it has had nothing but mostly problems

The Kuznetsov was tested in Syria and with that experience it will be an even better carrier than before.

The fact that the Russian Navy does not regime change countries and murder thousands of people and make billions of people poor does not mean their lack of regime change exploits with their carrier makes it a failure.

we are not discussing other ships or navies or problems.

How can we evaluate the Russian Navys status without mentioning other navies?

.we are not discussing other ships or navies or problems. China took one from Ukraine and got it into water and using it while Russians did Gorshokov but they decided not to give this priority.

Fucking hilarious.... we are not discussing other SHIPS or NAVIES or PROBLEMS.... China, Ukraine... who was talking about children level education?

This simply does not seem to affect their naval strategy as one ship without much escort and the issues it has....simply not priority.

When the K is back in the water and they have taken it out for a short spin to make sure everything works they will have a Kirov class ship recently upgraded they will also want to test... I would expect a visit to Cuba and Venezuela is probably on the cards...

They have completed a few large support ships, which could also be tested and used.

They are also called tactics

The bully shouting abuse from behind his mothers skirt hem at the nerd.... yeah, that is tactics...

I don't think you are getting, stat concepts are as intutive as they get almost like plane geometry. This is not number tricking or scale tricking, may be when its done by someone that does not understand the concepts

Obvious solution would be to recreate the graph in real numbers and per million head of population and look at how much it distorts the information given by the graph.

So far not much on that side since its last mission

They have one ground based aircraft carrier simulation base and the second will go online next year or so...

Its percapita accident per navy and per ship....this ship stands out

No it doesn't.

They seem to have had disproprotionate incidents under maintenace in general but looks like its getting better recently

Evidence or just opinion?

Context brother....see the original comment and your comparison

Context has nothing to do with it.... three accidents at three shipyards... two fires contained and put out... one ship totally destroyed, but you think the problem is with one of the shipyards that put their fire out before it did much damage.

GarryB wrote:
Fucking hilarious.... we are not discussing other SHIPS or NAVIES or PROBLEMS.... China, Ukraine... who was talking about children level education?

Yes it is but you are the one that just can't seem to contain an argument to specific frame of context.....anyway reality of kuz is clear. Time to drop this chain for me with you.

Russia to double ships in the mediterranean
https://avia.pro/news/rossiya-namerena-vdvoe-uvelichit-kolichestvo-boevyh-korabley-i-podvodnyh-lodok-v-sredizemnom?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fpulse.mail.ru&utm_source=MRG_Pulse

Ruben submrsible patrol ship concept....

https://www.defenseworld.net/news/29326/Russia_Develops_Ship_that_Can_Dive_Like_a_Submarine#.YJoYrqEXYgI

On the cost of the fleet that Russia needs

Full article: https://covid36qdxuptbodqslievhsl4-ac4c6men2g7xr2a-topwar-ru.translate.goog/181285-o-stoimosti-flota-kotoryj-nam-nuzhen.html

Vladimir Pospelov: the tenth " Borey "will be completed before 2030

Russia is updating its Navy on a large scale, new ships and submarines are being laid down, and combat units that have long been accepted into its composition are being modernized. Get acquainted with more than 20 ships, boats and vessels from theNavy, FSB border services Russia will be available in June inSt. Petersburg during the tenthInternational Naval Salon IMMS 2021 is one of the largest events of its kind. The salon is particularly important for connoisseurs of naval aesthetics and professionals due to the cancellation of similar exhibitions around the world during the pandemic. The event is just over a month away. On the eve of the salon, Vladimir Pospelov, a member of the Board of the Military-Industrial Commission of the Russian Federation, a member of the Maritime Board under the Government of the Russian Federation, told RIA Novosti in an interview with Dmitry Strugovets and Denis Kayyran about new projects that should get their start in life, the specifics of modernizing the most formidable warships, as well as plans for construction this year.
– What is the plan for the delivery of ships for this year?
– In total, in 2021, the Navy should receive about forty warships and support vessels of various classes. This includes, among others, the fourth-generation nuclear-powered strategic submarine Knyaz Oleg of the Borey-A project, and the lead multi-purpose nuclear-powered submarine Kazan of the Yasen-M project, which recently hosted the ceremony of raising the naval flag of St. Andrew. Frigate and corvette class ships are planned to be delivered, and the next serial diesel-electric submarines of Project 636.3, as well as small missile ships, patrol boats and support vessels will be delivered.
-There is no serial submarine "Novosibirsk" of the Yasen-M project in the plan for 2021?
– It is also in the plan, it will be commissioned in accordance with the general construction schedule.
– What ships and support vessels will be laid down this year?
– These will be serial ships-corvettes, diesel-electric submarines, fourth-generation nuclear submarines "Borey-A" and a number of others.
– When will the bookmark take place?
– The date is determined by the leadership of the Russian Defense Ministry. The industry is ready to start laying the foundation stone at any time, because the state contracts have been signed, the advance payment has been received, and preparations for laying the foundation stone have been made. It will take place in the near future.
– Will the ninth and tenth Boreas be the last in the series?
- Not a fact. The series can be continued. The project proved to be successful and has good prospects for modernization.
– How many more Boreas do you think are needed?
– The Strategic Offensive Arms Treaty (START-3) clearly defines the number of launchers and warheads, and these two parameters ultimately determine the number of carriers, including strategic nuclear submarines. The Borey-A submarines are replacing the third-generation nuclear submarines. The latter, as the Boreas arrive, will be withdrawn from the ship's composition. The ninth and tenth Boreas will be commissioned before 2030, and the last Project 667BDRM submarine will be withdrawn from the fleet somewhere around this time. Nuclear submarines of Project 667BDRM, which are currently in the ship's composition, are one of the most successful ships in terms of reliability. And this was proved in the 1990s, when a Project 667BDRM submarine launched a successful salvo with all its ammunition, the so-called Operation Behemoth. In practice, the guaranteed reliability of the marine strategic nuclear component was proved.
– Let's go through the current projects. When will the modernization of the Admiral Nakhimov heavy nuclear cruiser be completed?
– In accordance with the general schedule and the state contract.
– And his further fate?
– We have updated it well: we have replaced all the cable networks, almost all the ship's radio-electronic systems, delivered Kalibr and Onyx strike missile weapons and other state-of-the-art weapons. It will serve for at least another 20 years. Today we have two ships of this class. In the plans for repair and modernization is "Peter the Great". How much modernization it will pass – we will determine after the completion of work on the Admiral Nakhimov.
– When will the tests of the Zircon be completed?
- The tests are being carried out in a planned mode and are at the final stage. The task has been set to reach readiness for mass production in the near future. As you know, the missile will be unified and will be able to be used both on submarines and on surface ships, since universal launchers are used.
- The large anti-submarine ship Marshal Shaposhnikov has received a major upgrade. Will other large anti-submarine ships of Project 1155 be undergoing serious factory repairs after it?
"The Marshal Shaposhnikov is equipped with a modern strike missile system with Kalibr missiles and a number of other weapons, and the ship's communication, navigation, target designation systems have been updated. In fact, they gave the ship a second life. In April, the ship was transferred to the Pacific Fleet. In the plans – factory repair of the second ship of this series.
– Question on the project of the destroyer "Leader". Will you continue working on it or will the project be closed?
- Construction has not started yet. He is listed in our plans. Preliminary work is underway. Let's wait a bit, because first we need to solve the tasks that were spelled out in the state armament program for 2018-2027, in terms of maintaining and developing the Russian Navy.
– Let's move on to the icebreaker fleet. When will the first LK-120 Leader nuclear-powered icebreaker (project 10510) be laid down at the Zvezda Far Eastern Shipyard?
– Let me remind you that first the government of the Russian Federation decided to create three LK-60s, then, taking into account the growing cargo flow, they added two more. Head LC-60 "Arctic" transferred "Atomflot" in 2020. We will complete the first serial nuclear icebreaker Sibir in 2021, the second – Ural – in 2022, the third – Yakutia – in 2024, and the fourth – Chukotka – in 2026.
What will the commissioning of new icebreakers do for us? The task of ensuring cargo traffic of up to 80 million tons in 2024 along the Northern Sea Route is being fully resolved. Eastern SectorTaking into account the more severe ice conditions in the Arctic, the project required the creation of the LK-120 icebreaker. Construction of the main LK-120 will begin in 2020. It will be built in 2027. Calculations show that the prospective growth of cargo traffic on the Northern Sea Route until 2035, in the Western and Eastern sectors, will require the construction of an additional two serial LK-60 and two serial LK-120.
For the development of hydrocarbon deposits in the Arctic, it is necessary not only to create a group of modern nuclear icebreakers, but also to build a large series of large-capacity ice-class vessels for transporting hydrocarbons, support vessels and other marine equipment. This program is already being implemented and is, among other things, one of the elements of diversification of the shipbuilding industry. In principle, the shipbuilding industry has all the necessary capacities for their construction. The Board of the Military-Industrial Commission of the Russian Federation considers the development of the Northern Sea Route to be one of the most important strategic tasks.

The second part of the interview about promising developments and the appearance of the Russian Navy for a decade to come will be published on Tuesday, May 18.

https://ria.ru/20210517/pospelov-1732338234.html

Second part of the interview, with everything you wanted to know about the new carrier

– Has the Board of the Military-Industrial Commission of the Russian Federation started forming the next state armament program for 2024-2033?
– We started preparing the next program document on the development of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation last year: the procedure for forming the program was developed, and an exhaustive list of state customers who will be included in it was determined. This year, a unified system of initial data and main directions for the development of weapons, military and special equipment for the program period will be formed. Uniform methodological materials for all government customers have already been approved. In 2022-2023, we will develop proposals on the composition, content, technical and economic indicators of events. The work will be completed at the end of 2023.
– What will change in comparison with the current program?
– There will be no drastic changes for the Navy. There are certain nuances, but they are not fundamental when compared with the current GPV or with the previous one. The Navy is the type of Armed Forces in which the planning horizon is defined until 2050. After all, only the construction of a nuclear serial submarine takes 7-8 years, and it has been in the fleet for at least 35 years. Lead boats take even longer to build.
– What exactly has become more complicated?
- The programs of factory and state tests have increased in terms of time due to the growing technical complexity of ship systems and complexes. When we try to eliminate the problem of one system in modern ships, we have to take into account its interface with other complexes. This was the reason for the delay in the delivery of the lead multi-purpose nuclear submarine "Kazan".
– Did this complication have a negative impact on reliability?
– This is the second side of the question. For example, on a nuclear submarine of project 941, which I handed over as a tuning engineer in 1980, some elements of the automation system had to be removed at the stage of sea tests and returned to the old tested elements. Increasing complexity requires more highly qualified engineers, mathematicians, programmers, and ship crews.
– In the new ships, on the same "Boreas" and " Ash " did you also have to abandon some innovations and return to the old proven solutions?
– No, this was not the case. Although there are two or three factories that, unfortunately, allowed the delivery of ship complexes with deviations from the technical documentation. As a result, it took months to correct the comments. Of course, we struggle with this practice, and sometimes we have to go to extreme measures and change factory managers.
- What specific complexes were delivered with deviations from the technical specification?
– Last year, quite unexpectedly, a deviation from the documentation on block steam turbine installations was revealed during serial deliveries. We demanded an analysis of the entire quality system. The owners of the plant changed the manager and checked the technological discipline at all stages, starting from the moment of metal receipt and development of technological documentation.
– If the fleet development plans are clear for decades to come, what events can change such long-term plans? Pirates inThe Gulf of Aden? The need to transport goods toSyria?
– The problem of cargo transportation to Syria was solved by mobilizing all support vessels that could transfer cargo. For example, the ship "Yauza". Initially, it was planned to use it for other tasks, but since its average repair was completed at this time, the ship was instantly mobilized. Then a number of civilian vessels were acquired. We didn't have time to lay down and build new dry cargo ships.
- Can you describe the approximate appearance of the Navy for the future of ten years, by the time the next GPV is completed?
– By the 2030s, we must complete the creation of groups of fourth-generation nuclear submarines, upgraded corvettes of projects 20385 and 20386. On the planning horizon until 2050, all projects will be further developed. Frigate 22350 has already been upgraded – we have increased the number of launchers. The next stage is the construction of the frigate 22350M. Its displacement will be increased to eight thousand tons.
– Will work continue to reduce the radar visibility of ships?
– This direction will be developed, but you need to clearly understand that the ship is not a needle. The capabilities of orbital groups and aerial reconnaissance allow you to detect any ship.
The problem of reducing radar visibility is solved in different ways. First, it is the architecture of the ship itself. Our destroyers or missile cruisers of the previous series resembled a hedgehog, studded with dozens of antennas. On corvettes, we switched to an integrated mast. All antennas are hidden in the superstructure. Of course, the effective scattering area must be reduced. But the ship can't go into radio silence all the time. As soon as some radiating device is turned on, it will be detected by radio intelligence.
Stealth is very necessary when the ship was attacked by anti-ship missiles with radar homing heads. But this task is being solved, among other things, by means of electronic warfare.
Another way to reduce the visibility of surface ships is to use composite materials and special paint coatings. All these areas are being implemented here.
– Is there a place for aircraft carriers in the new GPV?
– In the near future, as part of the preparation of a new GPV, it is necessary to assess the feasibility of creating aircraft carriers and their cost. In theory, the Navy needs three such ships – the lead and two serial ones.
There is an advance design of the aircraft carrier. There are also nuclear power plants of the required capacity that will provide the appropriate speed. But several basic elements of the future aircraft carrier need to be brought to mind, including the take-off and landing systems of aircraft.
In addition, we must create a promising deck-based ship-based fighter capable of carrying the required amount of weapons.
The parent construction plant must be identified. At the moment, none of the factories, except, perhaps, in the future, the Zvezda plant in Bolshoy Kamen, is capable of building ships of this displacement. Theoretically, during the reconstruction of the work could take more "Sevmash, but it is loaded with a program for building nuclear submarines. And I would not want to risk the failure of this or that program.
According to experts, such a large project should be implemented under a separate state program. If the construction of an aircraft carrier is included in the weapons program, the financing of this line can "eat up" all other naval areas.
– How much can an aircraft carrier cost?
– There are different ratings. We are presented with the following: the lead aircraft carrier – about 500 billion rubles. But this is a crafty figure. When we start building such a large-scale ship, and it must be at least 70-80 thousand tons of displacement, we can enter the program with one figure, and in 10 years get another. All risks should be considered at the planning stage, before making a decision. We can make mistakes by 10-20%, but not by many times. Otherwise, we will go into long-term construction for many years.
So far, everything depends on the price of the issue, which, I repeat, starts from 500 billion rubles for one aircraft carrier, and it's hard to even imagine where we can stop. To make a decision, you need a deep analysis of all options, scientific and technical reserve for the main ship complexes and a promising carrier-based fighter.
We know how much ships of this class cost inAmerica, inEngland and France. We believe that it should be cheaper here. At least because we do not set ourselves the task of reaching the analog of the American one – 110 thousand tons of displacement, the air wing has more than 100 aircraft, including drones.
– Will the new aircraft carrier require the creation of a new generation of nuclear installations?
– I don't think so. We have a scientific and technical background on shipboard nuclear reactors and ship electric propulsion systems.
– You mentioned a promising carrier-based fighter. If this is not a MiG-29K or Su-33, then what is it?
"That's what the aviation experts should tell us. The Su-57 can be taken as a base, but the designers will have to recalculate everything for basing the aircraft on the ship. First of all, this is a folding wing, elements associated with braking devices, because a normal aircraft will not be able to perceive the dynamic loads associated with a hook when landing behind a hook.
– Which wing should be based on it?
– The air wing will be significantly increased in comparison with the Admiral Kuznetsov ,including the appearance of unmanned aerial vehicles.
– If a decision is made to build an aircraft carrier, how many years will it take?
- A minimum of 10 years if there is a scientific and technical reserve for the aircraft and the shipyard is ready.
- Speaking of aircraft carriers. What is known about the fate of the PD-50 floating dock that sank during the withdrawal of the Admiral Kuznetsov aircraft carrier? Will it be lifted from the bottom and restored or disposed of, or will it remain where it is now?
– According to most experts, the dock needs to be raised. At least from the point of view of ecology. Secondly, it sank in a " pit "(a place with a deep bottom-ed.), and we have not so many "pits". It is necessary to find sources of funding for the PD-50 upgrade. It cannot be restored.
– In June 2020, the first two universal landing ships were laid. At first it was reported that its displacement will be 29 thousand tons, then it increased to 40. Why did this happen?
– This story began with an attempt to buy French Mistrals. Budget funds were planned, and guarantees for the execution of the contract were received from the French leadership. Moreover, the French presented this as the salvation of the Saint-Lazare shipyard by the Russians. But the year 2014 came, and we were simply abandoned. So there was a task to independently build ships of this class.
The UDC has been laid down, the working design documentation is being finalized, the tactical and technical task is being clarified, and construction is being carried out in parallel. When forming the technical specification, the displacement was determined in the amount of about 30 thousand tons. But when the specific study went, the fleet had ideas for installing additional ship complexes on the UDC, the presence of which eventually led to an increase in displacement. It is clear that if you dramatically increase the displacement, then the price of the issue will be different, and the years of delivery will be pushed back. But if the state customer believes that ships of this class are needed, that there are tasks for them, then we will build them. Let me remind you, uChina has universal landing ships with a displacement of both 20 and 40 thousand tons. What are the advantages of such ships? They are, as their name implies, universal. They can be used directly as landing ships and as a staff ship to support the actions of operational formations in the far sea zone, and as a floating hospital, and to solve a number of other tasks. In peacetime, they may be in demand during natural disasters in coastal areas.
The set of weapons at the UDC is minimal, so it will need some protection, that is, it will operate as part of a group. It will carry aircraft, including drones, amphibious vehicles, and modern landing vehicles. I can't comment on how much and what kind of equipment it will carry.
– What other innovations will be spelled out in the new GPV?
– Under the new program, we must create a reserve by 2030 and approach the start of construction of fifth-generation nuclear submarines. Their special feature will be increased automation or in other words – robotization, modularity (the element base changes every five years, and the life of the boat is at least 35 years), increased stealth. We are already working on creating the scientific and technical basis for the next generation of warships.
– What will the robotization of nuclear submarines mean?
– This is a single complex that combines various ship systems that previously worked independently and solved one or another task to ensure navigation, hydroacoustics, communications, pre-launch training, and navigation safety. The integrated control system solves the problem taking into account the processing of information from all ship complexes and offers the ship commander a particular solution. The combat information system offers, but it is the commander who chooses the action plan. We do not deviate from making a final decision by a person, although automated control modes are present on fourth-generation submarines. On the fifth-generation nuclear submarines, this direction will be further developed. Submarines without a crew, of course, will not remain, although Russia is also developing unmanned platforms. Actually, just like the Americans. Most likely, the new GPV will further develop work on the creation of crewless platforms, both underwater and surface.
- The Americans are actively developing large drone ships. Will we have something similar? In general, what are the prospects for surface and underwater unmanned vehicles?
- Leading maritime countries are developing four types of crewless platforms: ultra-small, small, medium and large. All these platforms are built on a single artificial intelligence architecture. Each platform solves its own problems. Some are designed for reconnaissance, others are engaged in mine defense, and others carry shock weapons. We have several institutes involved in this area.
Now we are in a situation where the words "cold war" are not spoken, but relations between Russia and the United States are worse than ever. Even during the confrontation between the United States and the USSR, relations did not reach such a decline. The world is full of contradictions, and we must have sufficient defense potential in these conditions.
– Another unmanned vehicle is the deep – sea Vityaz. Will it be transferred to the navy? Will such devices still be built in the interests of Russian military sailors?
– Today, the Vityaz deep-sea vehicle is on the developer's balance sheet, and according to the test results, it will be transferred to the fleet. In which fleet to serve him-decides the Main Command of the Navy. The Vityaz series modernization program will continue.

https://ria.ru/20210518/pospelov-1732345158.html

Fair enough... I was wrong... they want three CVNs... a lead ship and two serial production models, but this is out to 2050, so they will likely use the Kuznetsov while the other three are built.

Modifying the Su-57 should not be any more expensive or difficult than upgrading the MiG-29 or the Su-27 to the carrier based role, but obviously would make a very potent carrier based fighter aircraft.

I would think unless they design the folding wing in a way to make it very compact that a naval version of the MiG-35 and later LMFS might be used together with the bigger Sukhoi.

Very simply if they have 24 odd Su-57Ks then they can increase the number of fighters on board simply by also having smaller lighter fighters too in the form of the MiG29KR or LMFS. In other words instead of being able to fit 48 Su-57s, they might be able to fit 24 Su-57s and perhaps 36 MiGs because of the size difference of the latter platform.

Their new helicopter carriers might allow them to reduce the number of helicopters required to perhaps a couple of Ka-31s and a couple of search and rescue helos, with the helicopter carriers perhaps being able to support as a dedicated anti submarine platform with next gen Kamov helos and perhaps even an upgraded Mi-38 version of the Mi-14 perhaps?

The silence about these news is quite surprising, once that they shed so much light regarding the intentions of the Russian leadership for their navy that have been subject to endless speculation in this board

Summarizing:
> They want new carriers (3), nuclear propelled, 70-80 kt displacement
> Su-57 is the prime candidate to naval fighter, explicit mention to the challenge for such plane to carry "the required amount of weapons"
> Lider is perfectly alive but waiting for the proper time to be developed
> Modernization of the two Orlans is to be done
> The VMF wants more functionality in the UDKs so they will grow to 40 kt
> 22350M will be 8kt
> Plans for upgrading the 1155 in place
> Borei and Yasen series will continue growing

One would wish that this interview would settle some quite absurd disputes about the plans of the VMF, but by the lack of discussion around it, it is clear that this glaring evidence will follow precedent instances into the trash bin for some. For others it is indeed reassuring to see that in Russia they are sticking to actual military realities and not listening at all to so many "well intentioned" Western specialists and their domestic supporters making absurd claims, all in the line of preventing the development of the Russian navy and specifically their ability to project power and challenge the West.

LMFS wrote:The silence about these news is quite surprising, once that they shed so much light regarding the intentions of the Russian leadership for their navy that have been subject to endless speculation in this board

Summarizing:
> They want new carriers (3), nuclear propelled, 70-80 kt displacement
> Su-57 is the prime candidate to naval fighter, explicit mention to the challenge for such plane to carry "the required amount of weapons"
> Lider is perfectly alive but waiting for the proper time to be developed
> Modernization of the two Orlans is to be done
> The VMF wants more functionality in the UDKs so they will grow to 40 kt
> 22350M will be 8kt
> Plans for upgrading the 1155 in place
> Borei and Yasen series will continue growing

One would wish that this interview would settle some quite absurd disputes about the plans of the VMF, but by the lack of discussion around it, it is clear that this glaring evidence will follow precedent instances into the trash bin for some. For others it is indeed reassuring to see that in Russia they are sticking to actual military realities and not listening at all to so many "well intentioned" Western specialists and their domestic supporters making absurd claims, all in the line of preventing the development of the Russian navy and specifically their ability to project power and challenge the West.  

Well, to me at least, much of it was not news. The only real new thing to me was the confirmation they want to build 3 carriers with 70-80kt displacement.

That the carriers would be nuclear powered is well known since most of the proposals were like that.

The Storm design was nuclear powered with Su-57s. That was a clear indication of the limits of the capabilities of the industry.
The RITM-200 nuclear reactor is in use with the icebreakers and the RITM-400 reactor is expected to be used in the Lider icebreakers which should start construction in a couple of years.
The Su-57 designer himself said on Combat Approved that the overall airplane design was well suited for carrier operations with a short take-off roll.

We have seen carrier designs from the supercarrier size like Storm with 100kt to much smaller carriers at 40kt. But the 70-80kt displacement is the one which makes most sense. It is similar in size to both the Kuznetsov and the carriers in use in the UK and the future planned French carrier. So other sizes would have been possible but this is the most rational. They cannot make it too small because they intend to operate Su-57s in it. Making it too large is also kind of pointless since it means a huge use of resources. I expected Russia to want at least two carriers. One for the Northern Fleet and another for the Pacific Fleet. I guess the third carrier is to enable a reserve for the other two.

There are, I think, three places where they could build the carrier. The Zvezda shipyard in the Far East, the Zaliv shipyard in Crimea, and the Sevmash shipyard in Murmansk.
Murmansk will sooner or later get the dry dock they are working on for the Admiral Kuznetsov complete. They already have experience with building nuclear submarines and the Nakhimov modernization.
The carrier could be built in blocks at Sevmash and integrated in that dry dock.

I have said more than once here that the Lider cruiser was not cancelled, just delayed, but a lot of people seemingly did not bother to read the details of the press releases at the time. Considering all the problems they are having with engine and propulsion production with conventional engines, the ready availability of the RITM-200 nuclear reactor and nuclear propulsion both on the icebreakers and the submarines, plus the availability of the facilities which built the Kirov class at St. Petersburg which are being used for the icebreakers, why would anyone think this project would be definitively cancelled? It made no sense. The often used rationale that it was cancelled for lack of money also made little sense. If Russia was lacking money they wouldn't be enlarging the order of nuclear icebreakers from three to five, and piling on that an order for two even larger nuclear icebreakers. I said before I expected the Lider cruiser to begin construction sometime after the icebreakers were done. Originally I thought the icebreakers would end at three, but because they decided to build five, it was rather obvious the Lider cruiser would need to be postponed since it will use the same power plant and the same construction yard.

We also expected 22350M to be between 6k and 8k tons displacement. So it is not a big revelation. The expansion of nuclear submarine production and the upgrade of the Peter the Great was also already known. The upgrades the other Udaloys, it was mentioned when the Marshal Shaposhnikov was rolled out after its upgrade.

lancelot wrote:Well, to me at least, much of it was not news.

On the one hand, this is the most revealing set of statements in a long time. On the other, well informed, not ideologically invested people would not be surprised by this, I agree.

The only real new thing to me was the confirmation they want to build 3 carriers with 70-80kt displacement.

That the carriers would be nuclear powered is well known since most of the proposals were like that.

Many people here are still discussing vehemently that VMF does not need and has no plans for carriers...

The Storm design was nuclear powered with Su-57s. That was a clear indication of the limits of the capabilities of the industry.

Krylov's designs are not actual projects, just concepts.

The Su-57 designer himself said on Combat Approved that the overall airplane design was well suited for carrier operations with a short take-off roll.

I remember he talked about landing run being half of that on a Su-35, but nothing about TO.

We have seen carrier designs from the supercarrier size like Storm with 100kt to much smaller carriers at 40kt. But the 70-80kt displacement is the one which makes most sense. It is similar in size to both the Kuznetsov and the carriers in use in the UK and the future planned French carrier. So other sizes would have been possible but this is the most rational. They cannot make it too small because they intend to operate Su-57s in it. Making it too large is also kind of pointless since it means a huge use of resources. I expected Russia to want at least two carriers. One for the Northern Fleet and another for the Pacific Fleet. I guess the third carrier is to enable a reserve for the other two.

I agree everything said is logical. I would point out that there are ways of reducing displacement keep air wing, but I guess that is a matter for an internal discussion at the VMF.

There are, I think, three places where they could build the carrier. The Zvezda shipyard in the Far East, the Zaliv shipyard in Crimea, and the Sevmash shipyard in Murmansk.
Murmansk will sooner or later get the dry dock they are working on for the Admiral Kuznetsov complete. They already have experience with building nuclear submarines and the Nakhimov modernization.
The carrier could be built in blocks at Sevmash and integrated in that dry dock.

They need to develop the capacities at some place. Zvezda and Sevmash are up to their ears in contracts, Zaliv is  not a place for nuclear propulsion AFAIK and will be loaded with UDKs too. The 35th SRZ is destined for repairs of the Northern Fleet if I am not wrong. So they need either to crate or to freed capabilities if they are to build carriers.

I have said more than once here that the Lider cruiser was not cancelled, just delayed, but a lot of people seemingly did not bother to read the details of the press releases at the time.

Exactly. Some people simply have a great time brazenly ignoring facts to peddle further their narratives. It is appalling

Considering all the problems they are having with engine and propulsion production with conventional engines, the ready availability of the RITM-200 nuclear reactor and nuclear propulsion both on the icebreakers and the submarines, plus the availability of the facilities which built the Kirov class at St. Petersburg which are being used for the icebreakers, why would anyone think this project would be definitively cancelled? It made no sense. The often used rationale that it was cancelled for lack of money also made little sense. If Russia was lacking money they wouldn't be enlarging the order of nuclear icebreakers from three to five, and piling on that an order for two even larger nuclear icebreakers. I said before I expected the Lider cruiser to begin construction sometime after the icebreakers were done. Originally I thought the icebreakers would end at three, but because they decided to build five, it was rather obvious the Lider cruiser would need to be postponed since it will use the same power plant and the same construction yard.

It seems like Severnaya will grow to be able to handle such size of ships, that is another option. The narrative is that Lider has no military value and is pure megalomania you know. I consider the explanation given above the most logical one: they need to grow the fleet step by step into the more complex and expensive classes, once the most basic questions are under control. And they need to modify and adjust plans, budget and capabilities as they learn more from the new classes like 22350. That is the way things are done by professionals.

We also expected 22350M to be between 6k and 8k tons displacement. So it is not a big revelation. The expansion of nuclear submarine production and the upgrade of the Peter the Great was also already known. The upgrades the other Udaloys, it was mentioned when the Marshal Shaposhnikov was rolled out after its upgrade.

Most of these are "leaks" to TASS and others, this time an incumbent official is making unambiguous statements, that (IMHO) are of great value. But I get what you mean and agree to a great extent.

LMFS wrote:The silence about these news is quite surprising...

Dis you expect people to get moist over yet another Russian Navy's wishlist?

This is like what, wishlist number 8735782993786 in last couple of decades?

What became of previous 8735782993785 wishlists? Oh that's right, nothing

LMFS wrote:
> They want new carriers (3), nuclear propelled, 70-80 kt displacement
...

And I want a blowjob from Taylor Swift

I like my odds better than theirs of getting 1 carrier let alone 3

LMFS wrote:
> Su-57 is the prime candidate to naval fighter, explicit mention to the challenge for such plane to carry "the required amount of weapons"
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More Taylor Swift extravaganza

LMFS wrote:
> Lider is perfectly alive but waiting for the proper time to be developed
...

It will make for some more amazing scale models no doubt, courtesy of Krylov

LMFS wrote:
> Modernization of the two Orlans is to be done
> The VMF wants more functionality in the UDKs so they will grow to 40 kt
> 22350M will be 8kt
> Plans for upgrading the 1155 in place
...

None of this is news

LMFS wrote:
> Borei and Yasen series will continue growing
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Only part resembling news and it's actually good

Knowing them I wouldn't be surprised if they abandoned two most important projects they have but they pleasantly surprised me for a change

At least we agree on the Taylor Swift part

They have similar experience to the British and French... neither of these two, nor Russia could afford or would be able to properly utilise the 100K ton carriers the US uses, but Russia experimented with essentially helicopter carriers which ultimately evolved into the Kiev class carriers and the Yak-38/M turned out to be a very ordinary aircraft... rather more inferior to the Harrier.

Sea Harrier had a good radar for its time and if it was equipped with AMRAAM it would be a reasonable fighter... not amazing, but a good tool and weapon.

It would have struggled against supersonic fighters but it was not a bad aircraft as such.

Personally I think if they want to try for a VSTOL fighter then they should forget about supersonic speed and design something with a better payload capacity and a decent sized wing... I realise that will reduce vertical take off performance but operationally with a full fuel and weapon load on it will never take off vertically anyway.

A decent wing that carrys fuel and generates good lift for takeoffs with heavy loads of fuel and weapons in a MiG-35 sized aircraft... ironically all these guided small bombs being developed for UCAVs could be located over its body surface so it could all be internally carried... first and foremost a heavy load of short range dogfight missiles so that no matter what it can also be used for close in defence for the ships.

The problem is when trying to make a supersonic VSTOL fighter it is like trying to get a skinny lean heavy weight boxer.

If we take a naval Su-57 as a given then the other fighter/strike platform does not need huge range or incredible speed... I think they would get a better aircraft if they just make it a conventional take off aircraft with high thrust to weight ratio like most new fighters, and that VSTOL capability compromises the design too much for it to be considered useful... maybe an LMFS A and LMFS B, where one is a twin engined aircraft that is CTOL and the other is a single engined VSTOL fighter....

Nah.... sorry I can't do it... I can say a VSTOL fighter should be the first choice for the LMFS, I think the complication is just not worth it... unless they can do what the British did and come up with the most awesome super jet engine that is perfect for the role... I would say rotating engine nozzles like the Yak-141 together with 3D angling nozzles developed for the MiG-29OVT together could allow performance in flight that would overcome all the problems it creates....

They might come up with something mind blowingly amazing... say they make it a subsonic only aircraft they can have a thick high lift wing... so a rear mounted single engine and forward swept large wings with internal wing weapon positions like the Il-102 for small bombs and rocket pods and two wing tip jet engines about level with the cockpit that can rotate to vertical with the tail engine with thrust vectoring exhaust... but each engine also with 3D thrust vectoring nozzles... that would give the pilot a fine degree of thrust angle control that would mean the internal high pressure piping to thruster jets in the nose and tail and wing tips would no longer be needed.

It would make the jet less safe because during a landing if any of the three engines holding it airborne fails then it will likely crash.. but with thrust vectoring nozzle tips the thrust could be angled slightly outwards. Normally you would balance by pointing all engine nozzles at the point under the aircraft that is the centre of gravity, but that concentrates a lot of very hot air directly under the aircraft which then would rise up to the engine intakes and cause an engine stall because it is oxygen depleted and when it goes back through the engine half the fuel wont burn and it will lose thrust and the fuel exiting the engine that didn't burn with hit the air and burst into flames because it has been heated beyond its flashpoint and so you get a stall and a bright flash of flame out the exhaust... often inaccurately called a flameout.
Instead of directing the engine nozzles to the cg.... the angle inwards to point them at the cg should be the angle outwards away from the cg that they are angled to balance the thrust and side force of the other two... that will direct the hot air away from under the aircraft, which will also mean under belly weapons and fuel tanks can be carried without risk of being scorched.

For a rolling take off on land or at sea all three engines can start at horizontal to pick up maximum speed and then angled at about 45 degrees to get airborne when the end of the runway gets close... the wingtip engines can be used in normal flight and could even be angled up and down for massive torque roll control in a super stall situation so in that sense it would have excellent TVC compared with other single engined fighters.

I like my odds better than theirs of getting 1 carrier let alone 3

They have not said three carriers by 2030... this is out to 2050 and I suspect they will build one that is ready for testing by perhaps 2035 to 2040 and then test it out and then make minor changes and fixes and then make the next two... by 2050 they might have the Kuznetsov as a training ship and two CVNs in service and one being finished ready to go into the water.... and when it gets into the water the K might be retired.

More Taylor Swift extravaganza

No. Using the Su-57 as the basis for the new carrier based aircraft is about as obvious as using the Su-27 as the basis for the Su-33 or the MiG-29KR and MiG-33 being based on the MiG-29....

Even with three brand new carriers they are not going to make more than 250 new fighters and probably rather less... so making a 5th gen stealth fighter from scratch with the intention of only making 250 aircraft would be Russia teaching the US in how to make an expensive plane more expensive.... and why would they start that now.

The Su-57 is a multirole fighter strike platform that would be ideal for use on an aircraft carrier to replace the Su-33.

I mean 24 aircraft per carrier (CVN x3, but the K would only carry maybe 6 to 8 of them at most), plus some land based replacements you could use from land based airfields... in some situations they might want a full strength air fleet for a particular mission so perhaps 48 planes per carrier (x3), and of course some based at the two land based simulator training centres for naval aircraft.

Knowing them I wouldn't be surprised if they abandoned two most important projects they have but they pleasantly surprised me for a change

So glad they managed to not upset you.

Pacific Fleet Commander's interview

bmpd
May 22nd, 22:05

The newspaper of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation "Krasnaya Zvezda", on the occasion of the 290th anniversary of the founding of the Pacific Fleet, celebrated on May 21, 2021, has published under the headline "Raise the flag, jack and color flags!" An interesting interview with the commander of the Pacific Fleet, Admiral Sergei Avakyants.

May 21 in a series of special days of the calendar in the Pacific Fleet is the Day of its formation. But, as befits sailors, not everyone will meet the holiday date in the database. The Pacific people are still on watch to protect the borders of the Asia-Pacific region. About who celebrates the holiday, plowing the sea under the Andreevsky flag, what successes the Pacific people are rightfully proud of - in an interview with the commander of the Pacific Fleet, Admiral Sergei Avakyants.

- Sergei Iosifovich, today the Pacific Fleet celebrates not just another anniversary of its foundation, but a very respectable date - its 290th anniversary. What celebrations are planned on this occasion?

- For a number of objective reasons, we will hold the main events dedicated to the anniversary on the last Sunday of July as part of the celebration of the Day of the Navy in Vladivostok. The round date will be reflected in the program of the parade and the military-sports festival, in numerous exhibitions, cultural and educational events. By that time, a new photo album about the Pacific Fleet will be published.

Today, May 21, the Day of the Pacific Fleet, we will celebrate the solemn raising of the State flags and flags of the colors on ships, performance of creative teams.

The sailors of the Pacific Fleet, of course, were preparing for the holiday, but I would not say that for the anniversary we purposefully increased the volume of combat training events or planned some complex combat exercises. This is not true. And in the anniversary year, and in any other year, the Russian fleet in the Pacific Ocean solves its tasks on a planned basis and at a high level. The volume of combat training activities in the winter training period has been completed by 100 percent. For six months, almost a dozen tactical groups, more than 60 ships and boats, over 20 submarine crews, more than 15 formations of coastal troops, support units and logistics have been trained.

Even on a holiday, 15 warships and ships of the fleet solve the problems of long voyages at sea. In the Asia-Pacific region, there are three detachments of ships at once, which include a cruiser, a frigate, large anti-submarine ships, corvettes, tankers and tugs.

- With what results do the Pacific people meet the anniversary date?

- The very beginning of the winter training period, which started in December 2020, was marked by a significant event for the fleet.
On December 12, the strategic nuclear-powered missile submarine Vladimir Monomakh fired for the first time with four Bulava ICBMs at the Chizha training ground in the Arkhangelsk Region. Naturally, such a combat exercise became for us a kind of bar, the height of which we have no right to lower in the implementation of the combat training plan. According to the results of the academic half-year, the submariners showed very good results both in the quality and quantity of the exercises performed, and in the flotation of the submarines.
The intensity of navigation of ships and vessels of the fleet has increased.

In the completed training period, it exceeded three thousand days. And in the course of combat training events, almost 1,800 combat exercises were performed in six months, which also exceeds last year's figures.

The strict requirements for the implementation of practical measures have not changed either. As before, all combat exercises are performed only for real targets. The commanders are notified only of the type of shooting and the area in which they have to operate. This is a fundamental point. The head of the tactical exercise gives a combat order to perform the exercise directly in the area. As a result, the commanders acted on the basis of the created situation, that is, in conditions close to combat.

A significant event for the fleet is the introduction of the frigate Marshal Shaposhnikov into the permanent readiness forces after the completion of the program of state sea trials. The upgraded ship, which has undergone repairs with modernization, became the carrier of the Kalibr and Uranus strike missile systems. It is also capable of using Onyx cruise missiles. The frigate received new artillery installations and radio-technical weapons.

The intensity of navigation of ships and vessels of the fleet has increased. In the completed training period, it exceeded three thousand days. And in the course of combat training events, almost 1,800 combat exercises were performed in six months, which also exceeds last year's figures.

We were seriously preparing for the first launches of the Caliber missiles. Back in early April, they successfully carried out throw tests of the complex. To check the operability of the firing chains and the readiness of the universal launcher, a mock cruise missile was fired from the frigate, which, after the engine had worked out, splashed down near the ship. Prior to this, such exercises had not been performed.

Practical shooting, carried out first at the coastal and then at sea targets, confirmed the high reliability and accuracy of the missiles. For a test launch of a cruise missile along the coast, safe flight routes were developed with a length of more than a thousand kilometers each. The protection of the areas where combat exercises were carried out and telemetry were provided by warships and ships, our naval aviation aircraft interacted with the pilots of the Northern Fleet.

I can say that the frigate fully met all expectations and proved that the large anti-submarine ships of project 1155, having a significant displacement, are a convenient and reliable platform for placing strike missile weapons on them, including promising, new artillery systems, modern radio and anti-submarine weapons ... I am sure that the potential of these ships has not been exhausted and, with the proper approach, they will still serve the fleet. It is especially valuable that while performing work on the Marshal Shaposhnikov, our shipbuilders gained a great deal of practical experience, which will continue to be used in full measure.

In accordance with the plan for the preparation of the fleet groupings, five test tactical exercises were held with tactical groups of ships. More than 30 joint combat exercises were performed on them.

During such exercises, tactical groups conducted joint anti-aircraft and artillery fire at sea, air and coastal targets, ships in homogeneous tactical groups used anti-submarine and anti-mine weapons in practice.

The peculiarities of the training of such groups in the winter period of training can be considered the first exercise of the tactical group of ships with strike missile weapons as part of the cruiser "Varyag" and the frigate "Marshal Shaposhnikov". During the exercise, the frigate, after a long break, successfully fired the Kinzhal anti-aircraft missile system at an air target.

The sea minesweepers of the Troops and Forces water area protection unit in the North-East of Russia for the first time worked out the tactical technique of transferring a paired bottom-net trawl to the shore and, in cooperation with the OKVS engineering unit, cleaned out a bottom practical mine from the fairway of Avacha Bay to the shore.

All course tasks, tactical exercises and combat exercises were assessed positively. The corresponding headquarters also received high marks for the results of their activities.

Good results were shown by the naval aviation of the fleet. When training crews, emphasis was placed on increasing the level of group flight in the composition of the units and squadrons.

Special attention was paid to the training of young pilots. They accounted for over 30 percent of the total flight time of aviation, and in six months it exceeded 3300 hours, which speaks of the planned and timely formation of young officers and their professional growth.

To a large extent, this was facilitated by the fact that a full-time instructor staff was formed as part of the naval aviation units, the qualifications of which make it possible to fully train officers in practice.

The raid of carrier-based aircraft pilots has increased. Training flights were carried out day and night, on foot and on the move, on all ships and vessels where helicopters are based. We have ensured that each aircraft carrier has a full-time crew. The training camp was devoted to the training of flight leaders of carrier-based aviation, which took place on the basis of a mixed aviation regiment in the Primorsky Territory.

I would like to note the crews of the MiG-31 interceptor fighters, which are on alert for air defense in Kamchatka and Chukotka. Recently, we have noted an increase in the number of foreign aircraft flights in these regions, which are performed near the Russian borders. Our pilots carry out high-level escort of such targets over the Pacific Ocean, the Bering Sea or the Chukchi Sea and do not allow incidents related to violation of the state border and flight safety.

The same applies equally to the crews of the Tu-142 and Il-38 anti-submarine aircraft, which made several hours of flight in the training half of the year.

The coastal forces of the fleet demonstrate stable results in the fulfillment of the tasks assigned to them. In accordance with the plan for the preparation of the Pacific Fleet, almost 100 tactical and tactical-special exercises, fifty field exits and camp gatherings, almost three thousand fire training sessions, including firing from small arms and combat machines. The actions of the Marine Corps units were practiced during the defense of the coast and the offensive from the sea under the leadership of the direct commanders.

Much attention was paid to improving the skills of personnel in loading and unloading equipment. To train the crews of combat vehicles, mock-ups of landing ships were used at the Gornostay, Bamburovo and Radygino ranges. Further, loading and unloading were carried out directly onto large landing ships and landing boats of the Pacific Fleet. In total, almost 100 such exercises were performed.

I believe that the Pacific Fleet has shown good results during the winter training period.

- You spoke in detail about how the weapons and equipment showed themselves, including modernized models. Is the further strengthening of the Pacific Fleet expected in terms of its rearmament?

- I really did touch on the issue of modernizing Soviet-built ships for a reason. This is an example of how, with a reasonable investment of relatively small funds, it is possible to achieve a multiple increase in the combat effectiveness of a surface ship.In addition to the modernized Marshal Shaposhnikov, a year earlier, a new weapon - 16 launchers of Uranus cruise missiles and a modern artillery complex - received a small missile ship "Smerch", which is serving in Kamchatka. I am sure that the process of such modernization will continue, since there are all indications for this. There is already a fundamental decision to carry out repairs and modernization of the next ship of Project 1155 - the large anti-submarine ship "Admiral Vinogradov". At present, the study of the future appearance of the ship is being completed. It is proposed to seriously increase and expand the composition of its strike missile armament, the task is to increase the capabilities of air defense.

In general, each of the modernized ships - both Marshal Shaposhnikov and Admiral Vinogradov - will be unique in its own way, since naval weapons are steadily developing and improving.

The planned modernization and rearmament of one of the Project 949A nuclear-powered missile cruisers is underway.

On December 25 last year, the fleet was replenished with a new corvette of project 20380 "Hero of the Russian Federation Aldar Tsydenzhapov". A day later, the ceremony of raising the Andreevsky flag was held on the newest minesweeper with a fiberglass hull "Yakov Balyaev". Next year we will receive the second such minesweeper, Anatoly Shlemov, into the fleet.

By the end of the year, another new ship for the fleet will be handed over by shipbuilders of the Amur shipyard. Another, already the fourth in a row at the Pacific Fleet, the Project 20380 Rezkiy corvette was built at the renowned enterprise especially for the Pacific Fleet and will be taken out of the dock in the summer. According to the established tradition, the ship will be transferred to Vladivostok to the delivery base of the ASZ, where factory and state tests will take place, after which in December we will be ready to accept the corvette into the fleet.

A significant event for the Pacific Fleet is the entry into the permanent readiness forces after the completion of the program of state sea trials of the frigate Marshal Shaposhnikov.

We hope that in the very near future the fleet command will receive an invitation from the NEA management to lay down two more new ships. The solemn ceremony will be held in Komsomolsk-on-Amur and will be dedicated to the anniversary of the Pacific Fleet. On the stocks of the enterprise, it is planned to lay a corvette of project 20380 - "Grozny" and a corvette of project 20385 - "Buyny".

These ships will become the first combat units that the enterprise will begin to build as part of the implementation of the state defense order GOZ-2021 under a contract between the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation and PJSC Amur Shipyard.

In accordance with the document, from 2024 to 2028, the fleet must accept two corvettes of project 20380 and four ships of project 20385.

The first ship of Project 20385 at the Pacific Fleet will be the Gremyashchiy corvette, its arrival in the Far East from St. Petersburg is scheduled in a few months.

At the plant in Komsomolsk-on-Amur there are four small missile ships of Project 22800 - the carrier of the Kalibr cruise missiles - Rzhev, Udomlya, Ussuriysk and Pavlovsk, in varying degrees of readiness. They are also intended for the Pacific Fleet, and work on these orders is proceeding in strict accordance with the schedule.

The Navy has already accepted two diesel submarines of Project 636.3, built for the Pacific Fleet at the JSC "Admiralty Shipyards". The first submarine, Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky, was handed over to the Russian Navy in November 2019. In 2020, the flag was raised on the second ship of this series, the Volkhov. These submarines are capable of carrying Kalibr cruise missiles, and they will significantly enhance the combat potential of the fleet. Both boats will make an inter-fleet passage from the Baltic to the Far East in the summer. All the necessary infrastructure for receiving at the base is already ready.

Recently, the third submarine of the Magadan series was launched. The fourth ship under construction "Ufa" is also in a high degree of readiness. Two more will be laid this year.

Taking into account the pace of construction, we plan to receive all six such submarines by 2024.

Soon the fleet will receive a modern large hydrographic boat of project 19920 "Alexander Anishchenko", which was built at the shipyard in Blagoveshchensk. Recently, another new anti-sabotage boat of the "Grachonok" type arrived at the place of permanent deployment from Vladivostok. By the order of the Commander-in-Chief of the Navy, he was named "Yunarmeets of Sakhalin".

The sea tug "Andrey Stepanov", two modern offshore diving boats of project 23040, four powerful self-propelled floating cranes of project 02690 are successfully operating.

We expect completion of work on the first of the small sea tankers of project 03182, which are being built at Vostochnaya Verf in Vladivostok.

If we take into account new and modernized ships and vessels, then over the past five years the Pacific Fleet has received at its disposal about 20 surface ships and various support vessels.

In the near future, 10 more combat units will be included in the combat strength of the Pacific Fleet.

The provision of modern equipment to the formations of the coastal forces of the fleet continues. We have completed the process of re-equipping our marines with new armored personnel carriers BTR-82A. Marine brigades in Primorye and Kamchatka are reinforced with T-80BV tank units.

Just over a month ago, the Primorsky Marine Corps unit received a batch of 40 new combat vehicles - BMP-3.The Pacific is the first in the Navy to experience the full benefits of this technique. In the summer period of training, the BMP-3 will begin intensive combat training at the training grounds, but in the meantime they were first presented at the Victory Parade in Vladivostok.

We are planning to strengthen coastal missile associations, we are updating military vehicle fleets of other military units.

High readiness is maintained to carry out missions assigned to naval aviation units.

- And what tasks will the Pacific people face in the near future?

- The main task is to accept new warships into the fleet, to provide factory running and state tests. During the next stage of joint training of the headquarters and forces of the groupings, several exercises are planned in the Primorsky operational direction, including in the far sea zone.

We will not deviate from the already established training system and will conduct a bilateral brigade tactical exercise. Earlier, the exercises were held in Kamchatka and Chukotka, this year the marines will work out the tasks in another region.

I would like to note that all the planned measures will ensure the maintenance of the assigned combat readiness of the forces of the Pacific Fleet.

- Very soon we are waiting for the Army and the International Military-Technical Forum. What is the participation of the Pacific people in these two annual important events in the life of the Armed Forces?

- We have already begun preparations for participation in the competitions of the International Army Games, the holding of the Army-2021 International Scientific and Technical Forum in the region. This year, one of the main areas of his work will be artificial intelligence technologies. The Pacific Fleet has serious developments in this direction. It is no coincidence that competitions in marine robotics among law enforcement agencies are held at our base. I am sure we have something to show the audience and something to share with experts.

It is planned to involve associations, formations and military units of the fleet, representatives of federal executive authorities, the governments of Primorsky, Kamchatka Territories, Magadan Oblast, Chukotka Autonomous Okrug, administrations of a number of cities, representatives of defense industry enterprises, research institutions of the Far Eastern branch of the Russian Academy to participate in the events of the forum. sciences, universities, public veteran organizations, organizations of the military-patriotic movement "Yunarmiya". The forum in the Far East has never had such a vast geography. Now the question of holding our section "Army-2021" at 14 exhibition sites in four constituent entities of the Russian Federation is being considered. This will be a really important event that will fully reflect the main directions of the development of the Armed Forces as a whole,

- At the end of our conversation, I would like to join the congratulations coming to the Pacific people today ...

- I also want to heartily congratulate the sailors, civilian personnel, veterans and their families on the 290th anniversary of the formation of the Pacific Fleet. I wish you all good, happiness, family well-being and seven feet under the keel!

https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4315723.html

Does the fact they're building a whole bunch of 20835's for the pacific fleet mean they've accepted they're better than baseline 20830 and we can expect them not to lay down more 20830 now? Or does 20835 give them some particular capability they need in pacific fleet but not sure elsewhere?

Lurk83 wrote:Does the fact they're building a whole bunch of 20835's for the pacific fleet mean they've accepted they're better than baseline 20830 and we can expect them not to lay down more 20830 now? Or does 20835 give them some particular capability they need in pacific fleet but not sure elsewhere?

Problem with 20835 were the engines but they seemed to have sorted some of the problems out and they decided to continue the series

20835 is a good ship but it’s still small and not really long ranged but in the Pacific it is not a problem because of geography

Coastline provides excellent cover and coastal aviation is always on speed dial

There is also issue of price, 20835 is much more expensive than 20830 so they are dividing the workload between the two

20830 is to focus on anti-submarine work especially in nearby submarine bastion while 20835 will be going further out on patrols and as part of larger groups

20835 is more than good enough to keep tabs on Japanese Navy thanks to UKSK launchers, this will free up larger ships for major deployments elsewhere

Is this the one they will be building 15 of in Zelenodolsk?

I keep mixing up these support ships

PapaDragon wrote:
Is this the one they will be building 15 of in Zelenodolsk?

I keep mixing up these support ships

Previously also reported that if in 2015 two more tanker project 03182 were ordered by JSC " Zelenodolsk Plant named after AM Gorky ” , however, apparently, the contract was not actually concluded then. But at the celebrations held in December 2020 in Zelenodolsk on the occasion of the 125th anniversary of the Zelenodolsk plant, the general director of the Ak Bars shipbuilding corporation created on the basis of the plant, Renat Mistakhov, said that the Ministry of Defense of Russia intends to order 12 large support vessels from the Zelenodolsk enterprise, which are a variant of the small sea tanker of project 03182.

Two Karakurts are supposed to go to Black Sea Fleet:

https://iz.ru/1170356/roman-kretcul-anna-cherepanova/tciklon-priblizhaetsia-malye-raketnye-korabli-usiliat-chernomorskii-flot

One Karakurt and one Buyan-M should go to Baltic Fleet:

https://iz.ru/1172022/2021-06-01/baltflot-usiliat-dvumia-raketnymi-korabliami

Russian Navy begins major exercises in the Pacific Ocean

MOSCOW, June 10-RIA Novosti. InRussia has started naval maneuvers, the Defense Ministry said.
"In accordance with the training plan of the military command bodies of the forces (troops) Pacific Fleet for 2021, in the central part An operational exercise of diverse fleet forces in the far Sea zone is being conducted in the Pacific Ocean, " the ministry said.

It is led by the Commander of the Pacific Fleet AdmiralSergey Avakyants.
Participants will work out various tasks ,including " managing groups away from their bases while protecting and defending ocean communications," as well as interaction between ships and aircraft.

Tactical teams have already traveled approximately four thousand kilometers and deployed forces at the designated point. The maneuvers involve about 20 surface warships, submarines and support vessels.
Among them — the missile cruiser "Varyag", the large anti-submarine ship" Admiral Panteleev", equipped with guided missile weapons; the frigate" Marshal Shaposhnikov", the corvettes" Gromky"," Perfect "and" Hero of the Russian Federation Aldar Tsydenzhapov", the ship of the measuring complex" Marshal Krylov " and others.
The exercise also involves about 20 aircraft, including Tu-142MZ long-range anti-submarine aircraft, MiG-31BM high-altitude fighter-interceptors and other VKS vehicles.

https://ria.ru/20210610/ucheniya-1736413693.html

So there we have the VMF deploying their main vessels in the middle of the Pacific to train operating them far from their bases and defending sea routes. While Iran deploys their navy to the Southern Atlantic amidst increased attacks by Israel and acts of piracy by US and UK.

Further comments by Viktor Kravchenko:

Admiral of the Russian Federation called the exercises in the Pacific Ocean unprecedented in scale

Former Chief of the General Staff of the Russian Navy, Admiral Viktor Kravchenko, said on Thursday, June 10, that the exercises of the Russian Navy in the Central Pacific are unprecedented in scale.

"In the post-Soviet period, there were no such exercises involving such a large number of forces, "he said"To Interfax".

Kravchenko noted that these exercises, in addition to military tasks, also have geopolitical goals. So, according to him, Russia shows the capabilities of the forces and means of the Pacific Fleet at a significant distance from the coastal infrastructure. He specified that this is the middle part of the Pacific Ocean — the transition routes of aircraft carrier groups.

"We show the capabilities of the Pacific Fleet to both the United States and Japan, to everyone, including NATO, which has become interested in the Asian theater of military operations," Kravchenko said.

The Admiral also stressed that the ships at the disposal of the Pacific Fleet allow us to solve the tasks of preventing military threats from the sea.

Earlier in the day, the Russian Defense Ministry reported that an operational exercise of diverse fleet forces in the far sea zone is being conducted in the central Pacific.

So, about 20 aircraft are involved in the event, in particular, Tu-142mz long-range anti-submarine aircraft, MiG-31BM high-altitude fighter-interceptors and other aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces.

https://iz.ru/1176909/2021-06-10/admiral-rf-nazval-ucheniia-v-tikhom-okeane-bespretcedentnymi-po-masshtabu