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    Post  Aristide Fri Jul 30, 2021 12:05 pm

    x_54_u43 wrote:It changed the stations attitude by 45 degrees at around .5 degrees a second which would not rip apart the station lmao, and that is about it, zero chance of deorbiting whatsoever, Nauka angle is completely wrong for it, not only that but ISS's orbital parameters didn't even change significantly at all.

    Considering your previous posting history I am surprised you are still here.


    It is the most serious accident the ISS ever had, actually ESA monitores the area for debris, because the connection nodes where pushed to 140% of their allowed workload.

    You think Russia can be proud for this?
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    Post  Hole Fri Jul 30, 2021 12:38 pm

    Typical western propaganda BS. Now every western media outlet is talking about the "unsafe russian module" and not the successful docking.

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    Post  Daniel_Admassu Fri Jul 30, 2021 12:57 pm

    Hole wrote:Typical western propaganda BS. Now every western media outlet is talking about the "unsafe russian module" and not the successful docking.

    Yes, the west is unjustifiably jumping at every opportunity to belittle Russia.

    And yes, the fault is entirely with Russia for giving them a reason to. Think about it, what if Nauka had a bit more fuel and wouldn't respond to commands to stop firing? What could possibly be more disastrous for the station than an asymmetrical thrust that turns it upside down or, God-forbid, snaps it at one of the nodes? Roscosmos should just be thankful that didn't happen and strive to improve its systems going forward. Blaming the west just won't do.

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    Post  ALAMO Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:04 pm

    If that would not have been some sort of conspiracy theory, I would say that this entire mission is kind of Russian trolling Laughing
    Each stage was "not according to the plan", giving the armchair cosmonauts all the shitload to masturbate, but ended up "things brought back to operational status".
    All the shitstorm potency is gone, how sad Sad Laughing Laughing
    Ended up with "accidental" ignition of correction engine, with "remains of gas", changing the location of ISS.
    But not serious enough that could not be solved in less than an hour.
    And what do we have then?
    Muricans must cancel its scheduled test flight, not knowing when they will find another window of opportunity Laughing
    Sometimes the best things cames by surprise santa
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    Post  flamming_python Fri Jul 30, 2021 3:51 pm

    Another day another f-up

    Nothing to be proud of, they sent an old hulk up to the space station, it's a good thing it made it there.

    But it's still more than they've accomplished in quite some time. A couple of small hick-ups like this can be forgiven.
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    Post  Big_Gazza Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:00 pm

    Daniel_Admassu wrote:What could possibly be more disastrous for the station than an asymmetrical thrust that turns it upside down or, God-forbid, snaps it at one of the nodes?

    Whoa.. take a deep breath Laughing Laughing

    Firstly, there is no up and down in space. Secondly how is an unscheduled firing of attitude control jets going to damage the station? The angular rate of change was apparently about one minute of arc per minute, and was undetectable by the crew.

    Its not a great result, as its another layer on the shitcake that has detracted from the successful docking, but FFS lets not carry on like its the Challenger disaster. Leave that melodrama to US corporate media hacks and pro-establishment scribblers.

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    Post  kvs Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:58 pm

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    Daniel_Admassu wrote:What could possibly be more disastrous for the station than an asymmetrical thrust that turns it upside down or, God-forbid, snaps it at one of the nodes?  

    Whoa..  take a deep breath  Laughing Laughing

    Firstly, there is no up and down in space.  Secondly how is an unscheduled firing of attitude control jets going to damage the station? The angular rate of change was apparently about one minute of arc per minute, and was undetectable by the crew.

    Its not a great result, as its another layer on the shitcake that has detracted from the successful docking, but FFS lets not carry on like its the Challenger disaster.  Leave that melodrama to US corporate media hacks and pro-establishment scribblers.

    Indeed. If this was a problem with a US or EU (LOL) project it would be called minor glitches. For Russia it is the end of the world.

    GTFO.

    Also, we have claims being passed off as fact for several days now. How do we know that there was an actual post-docking problem and
    it was not planned? Docking involves changing the momentum of the ISS to some extent regardless of fine adjustment thrusting. You
    can see this in the vibration of the solar panels on the Nauka upon contact with the ISS. Looks to me like a post-docking adjustment to
    the ISS orbital velocity is being smeared as a Russian fail. Yeah, I know that the Nauka is not supposed to be used for ISS orbital corrections.

    Some Twatter post even by any of the US astronauts on the ISS is not worth shit. They are not even aware of all the technicalities in the
    docking procedure. It is highly likely that these astronauts have instructions from their bosses to stir shit up for Russia.

    A cacophony of boy who cried wolf claims does not become the truth because of volume of such claims.




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    Post  Daniel_Admassu Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:12 pm

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    Daniel_Admassu wrote:What could possibly be more disastrous for the station than an asymmetrical thrust that turns it upside down or, God-forbid, snaps it at one of the nodes?  

    Whoa..  take a deep breath  Laughing Laughing

    Firstly, there is no up and down in space.  Secondly how is an unscheduled firing of attitude control jets going to damage the station? The angular rate of change was apparently about one minute of arc per minute, and was undetectable by the crew.


    I grant you that those are extreme examples, in increasing order, presented for argument. But they are not impossibilities.

    What is an attitude thruster for the ISS is actually the main engine of Nauka.

    Gravity wise there is no up or down in space, even in low earth orbit. But the station has numerous facilities that are direction dependent such as antennas, star trackers, solar arrays and, wait for it, altitude engines. 🤫

    The Zarya's aft port is where the Russian Orbital Segment meets the NASA/ESA one, which is where the bulk of the ISS is including the huge truss supporting the photovoltaic arrays and radiators. Simple physics should tell us that at certain level of torque from a thruster like the one on Nauka, the huge angular Inertia of the NASA/ESA segment will mean that it can't rotate as fast. Hence the danger of buckling or snapping at a weak joint, such as a node. That is why the usual method of attitude correction for the station is gradual thrust balanced by a counter thrust to result in a net translation in altitude rather than rotation.

    I am not informed enough about the amount of thrust that occurred on Nauka to say the ISS was in real danger or not. The certain thing is that such an incident should not happen again. The experience however will be invaluable to Roscosmos.

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    Post  Russian_Patriot_ Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:42 pm

    General Designer of RSC Energia, Flight Director of the Russian segment of the ISS Vladimir Solovyov:

    "On July 29, the Nauka multi-purpose laboratory module was docked with the International Space Station. At all stages of the module's flight, the Nauka's rendezvous system worked reliably and steadily. Minor fluctuations were observed in the near approach area, which, of course, the docking system coped with. This led to a quiet docking and touching at nominal speeds, which in turn led to a mechanical connection.

    The mechanics of the docking worked reliably, without any comments and led to the closure of both docking mechanisms-the station and the module. Due to a short-term software failure, a direct command was mistakenly implemented to turn on the module's engines for withdrawal, which led to some modification of the orientation of the complex as a whole.

    This situation was quickly countered with the help of the propulsion system of the Zvezda module. At the moment, the station is in its normal orientation, all systems of the ISS and the multi-purpose laboratory module are working normally. A reliable internal power and command interface, as well as an energy supply interface, have been created, which connected the module with the station.

    Now the crew is busy equalizing the pressure in the Nauka module. This is a rather lengthy procedure, because the total volume of the module is about 70 cubic meters. In the afternoon, the crew will open the hatches, enter the module, turn on the necessary means of cleaning the atmosphere and start normal routine work. The main operational control group operates normally and manages the entire complex, including the Nauka module."

    Source: Roscosmos group in Vkontakte social network

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    Post  Scorpius Fri Jul 30, 2021 6:00 pm

    Well, as a result of this incident, we learned the main thing: all these stories from "experts" and "insiders" that Nauka lost fuel due to the destruction of the tanks and that it may not get to the ISS, that only one attempt at docking is possible-all these stupid statements are nothing more than fake.

    And I also want to note that none of Rogozin's haters recognized the merits of the head of Roscosmos in the situation with the launch of the module.

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    Post  Russian_Patriot_ Fri Jul 30, 2021 6:17 pm

    Scorpius wrote:Well, as a result of this incident, we learned the main thing: all these stories from "experts" and "insiders" that Nauka lost fuel due to the destruction of the tanks and that it may not get to the ISS, that only one attempt at docking is possible-all these stupid statements are nothing more than fake.

    And I also want to note that none of Rogozin's haters recognized the merits of the head of Roscosmos in the situation with the launch of the module.
    American billionaire Elon Musk: congratulated Rogozin on the docking of Nauka to the ISS
    Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #4 - Page 12 Yyulnv10

    Russian opposition liberal of Jewish origin Maxim Katz: There are not enough bike paths in Moscow, and they are with their (unnecessary) space
    Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #4 - Page 12 Bbuwcb10

    It's time for Roscosmos to retrain its activities into the construction of bike paths Laughing

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    Post  Big_Gazza Fri Jul 30, 2021 6:48 pm

    Russian opposition liberal of Jewish origin? I'd find it difficult to imagine someone whose opinion I would care less for Laughing Laughing Laughing After the 90s and the organized tribal mass-looting of Russia perpetuated by his kind, i can't imagine why any Russian wouldn't think the same....

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    Post  Russian_Patriot_ Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:51 pm

    Prime Minister of the Russian Federation Mikhail Mishustin congratulated Roscosmos on the successful docking of the Nauka module. 
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    Source: Roscosmos group in Vkontakte social network
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    Post  Russian_Patriot_ Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:57 pm

    News from the telegram channel RIA Novosti:

    The reason for the unauthorized activation of the engines of the Nauka module could be a human factor, the specialist did not foresee the possibility of an error – Rogozin said. 

    Roscosmos on Saturday will decide on the prospects for creating a new Russian orbital station: two options are being considered – Rogozin said. 

    Rogozin said that he is ready to meet with Musk with pleasure and is waiting for his visit to Russia. 

    Astronauts on the ISS for the first time opened the hatch to the new Nauka module.

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    Post  Aristide Fri Jul 30, 2021 8:09 pm

    Hole wrote:Typical western propaganda BS. Now every western media outlet is talking about the "unsafe russian module" and not the successful docking.

    How is it sucesful when it pushs the station by 45° and almost breaks it apart. That was a complete failure.

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    Post  Hole Fri Jul 30, 2021 8:44 pm

    By the standards of SpaceX (Musk thinks it is a success when one of his "rockets" explodes on the ground) it was the most successful space mission ever.

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    Post  TMA1 Fri Jul 30, 2021 9:29 pm

    Aristide wrote:
    Hole wrote:Typical western propaganda BS. Now every western media outlet is talking about the "unsafe russian module" and not the successful docking.

    How is it sucesful when it pushs the station by 45° and almost breaks it apart. That was a complete failure.

    Because it docked and things have gone back to normal for the most part. This has certainly caused delays though for other projects. It is obviously an embarrassment to the Russians but don't take the hyperbole to the opposite extreme. A whole new module has been added to ISS and is just starting to get integrated.
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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Jul 30, 2021 11:17 pm

    Scorpius wrote:
    Daniel_Admassu wrote:The module needs to be properly diagnosed if it is to be used as a propulsion service for the ISS.....
    it will not be used in this capacity.

    It just was



    Russian_Patriot_ wrote:...It's time for Roscosmos to retrain its activities into the construction of bike paths Laughing

    Fun fact: when amount of extra food that those who use bicycles need to eat is translated to amount of fuel required to grow, harvest and transport that extra food it turns out that bicycle riders spend more fuel than Humvee drivers

    This myth that bicycles save fuel needs to die quickly


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    Post  Kiko Sat Jul 31, 2021 12:30 am

    Aristide wrote:Whats going on with russian space program? The russian Nauka module first failed to fire its main engine and to bring it to Orbit. This was fixed.

    Later when attached to ISS the desaster happened. Nauka ignited its engines and pushed the ISS out of orbit. The entire station tilted by 45°. The system automaticly fired other engines to
    correct the tilt, which made the station almost break apart.

    Ground control lost contact for over an hour. Station is stable now. NASA and ESA look for debris.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/29/science/russia-module-space-station.html


    Boucle-la, mon pote, mieux vaut. (=better STFU, mate). Quel canard, le NYT! (= the NYT is utter yellow press!).

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    Post  kvs Sat Jul 31, 2021 1:09 am

    The latest claims before the docking "disaster" was that Nauka had no fuel left to even dock. But somehow it had all this extra fuel to
    send the ISS spinning off into space...

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    Post  Kiko Sat Jul 31, 2021 2:10 am

    Roscosmos will decide on the appearance of the new Russian orbital station, 31.07.2021.

    Roskosmos on Saturday will decide on the appearance of the new Russian space station.

    MOSCOW, July 31 - RIA Novosti. The scientific and technical council of Roskosmos at a meeting on Saturday will determine the prospects for creating a new Russian orbital station, after which documents should be drawn up to submit the project to the government, the head of the state corporation Dmitry Rogozin said earlier.

    According to him, the meeting of the council will begin at 11.00 Moscow time. The meeting will decide the question of the appearance of the new Russian orbital station: either retrofitting with new modules of the Russian segment of the ISS with its subsequent separation, or the creation of a fundamentally new high-latitude station. The decision is planned to be submitted for approval and approval to the government, said the head of the state corporation.

    Russia plans to withdraw from the International Space Station project after 2025 and build its national orbital station. Rogozin said that the idea was supported by the President of the Russian Federation.

    The first option for creating the station provides for the retrofitting of the Russian segment of the ISS with nodal and scientific-energy modules, and after the completion of the ISS operation - their compartment together with the recently docked multifunctional laboratory module "Nauka". These three modules should form the core of the new station, which can be further expanded by adding other compartments.

    The second option was proposed many years ago, but it has been talked about again since last year. We are talking about the creation of a station in high-latitude orbit. When the orbit is inclined 97 degrees to the equator, the solar panels of the station will always be illuminated. This orbit will allow the crew to see the Arctic every hour and a half , and anywhere on the planet - once every two days. It is planned to equip the part of the station facing the Earth with observation systems in various spectra - from optical to radar, and the opposite side - with equipment for monitoring outer space.

    The station is planned to be created in two stages. At the first stage - from 2025 to 2030 - it is planned to launch a scientific and energy, nodal, base and gateway modules, at the second stage - from 2030 to 2035 - target and target production modules, as well as a platform for servicing spacecraft.
    The station will not be permanently inhabited, but will be visited by crews of 2-4 people. It can be launched from the Baikonur and Vostochny cosmodromes. At the first stage, cargo ships Progress and manned Soyuz will continue to fly to the new station, and at the second stage, manned by Eagles.

    https://ria.ru/20210731/kosmos-1743717387.html

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    Post  Big_Gazza Sat Jul 31, 2021 5:07 am

    Aristide wrote:..and almost breaks it apart.

    Thanks for the timely reminder of why i've had you blocked for years.... idiot.... Laughing
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    Post  kvs Sat Jul 31, 2021 5:21 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    Aristide wrote:..and almost breaks it apart.

    Thanks for the timely reminder of why i've had you blocked for years....  idiot....  Laughing

    Idiot indeed. Another troll masturbating all over this forum.

    For module thrusters to break apart the ISS would require them to be more like a main rocket engine. No maneuvering thruster
    can exert the impulse force to do such damage. It will just slowly accelerate the station. The only way for a docking
    module to damage the ISS is to crash into it. Clearly this "French" troll couldn't be bothered to watch the video showing
    the docking which went normally.

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    Post  kvs Sat Jul 31, 2021 5:23 am

    I can't wait for 2025 when Russia detaches itself from the hater loons making up the rest of the ISS. Then they can breath
    a sigh of relief that they are not risking certain death at the hands of Russians.

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    Post  GarryB Sat Jul 31, 2021 5:57 am

    Boucle-la, mon pote, mieux vaut. (=better STFU, mate). Quel canard, le NYT! (= the NYT is utter yellow press!).

    Get a better understanding from him by calling them yellow jacket press perhaps...

    The station often has to reorient itself to best capture sunlight on its solar panels and very occasionally they will shift its orbit slightly to avoid impact with space debris as it is tracked in real time... so getting a little push to turn it 45 degrees is really nothing to get upset about... if a short thrust like that could destroy the station then it is in real trouble a large object is detected that is on a collision course because not being able to fire a main engine rocket to actually move the entire station rather than a thruster rocket that would turn or reorient the station then it will no doubt be destroyed by that object.

    Couldn't possibly think all these minor problems... all of which have been solved by the way, are just the buzzing of flies... or the barking of dogs.

    You can say what you like about Musk and his promises but he recognises common problems that can happen and respects sensible solutions without the panic of western news agencies...

    Just waiting for them to bring up the collision when docking a cargo ship onto MIR that caused a collision and damage.

    Ironically that was because of an overloaded and overweight cargo ship and a docking that was being done manually with too little time to compensate for the reduced responses because of the extra weight.

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